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Biden Commutes Death Sentences of Federal Prisoners

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Damn bro you gotta use belittling as your last resort?

And like me and Beniboi kinda explain pretty good here as to why we think this way

And this wasn't a competition on who has more beliefs
"The point is you guys aren't morally better than us"

it's like you really see the world as a sports game between lakers and celtics
 

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What do you see the world then, mate?
There are many competing interests

This country has two political parties that have set up elections in such a way that only they can win them - they then take a respective side while trying to hug the middle as much as possible

in the end both sides are dependent on corporate money and mega donors - and their interests are not the same as the little folk like you and me

Big policies that the corporations and mega donors care about won't change if either side wins

They have to create stupid things to keep us angry and divided so we ignore the important things

They want us to worry about culture war BS (dragqueens, immigration, war on christmas)

To distract us about

Wealth inequality, falling standard of living, crumbling infrastructure

And we are eating it up

Really consider for a moment what 37 criminals in a country of 330 million people means - it's all manufactured outrage
 
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All that to say, don't fall for the left vs right, if all of your views align with one party or another you should begin to wonder if you're thinking for yourself, or simply adopting the platform that's being shoved down your throat
 

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Let's not drag this topic to left vs right/ democrats vs republicans. Those topics rarely end without useless flaming, and aren't really what the point of this topic was. There are already too many threads like that here.

As I already stated earlier, almost the entire West has an issue with criminality. And the crimes are getting more severe, look at the Germany Christmas attack, or the woman getting burned alive on a New York subway. We can't keep building new prisons, something else has to change. A lot of countries also have community service, house arrest or other forms of punishment, which do not seem to work.

So what are the other solutions? Those called racist or inhumane, Deportations and death penalty. And sure, those wouldn't fix the problem entirely, but it would go a long way.

There are about 2 million prisoners in the US, and about 200.000 serving life sentences. In 2016, those numbers were just 1.4 million. It's going up fast, and a lot of European countries see this evolution.

So we can either let this spin out of control, or try a harsher approach. If you know the death penalty is a possible punishment, and you still commit murder, you deserve what you get.
 
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Let's not drag this topic to left vs right/ democrats vs republicans. Those topics rarely end without useless flaming, and aren't really what the point of this topic was. There are already too many threads like that here.

As I already stated earlier, almost the entire West has an issue with criminality. And the crimes are getting more severe, look at the Germany Christmas attack, or the woman getting burned alive on a New York subway. We can't keep building new prisons, something else has to change. A lot of countries also have community service, house arrest or other forms of punishment, which do not seem to work.

So what are the other solutions? Those called racist or inhumane, Deportations and death penalty. And sure, those wouldn't fix the problem entirely, but it would go a long way.

There are about 2 million prisoners in the US, and about 200.000 serving life sentences. In 2016, those numbers were just 1.4 million. It's going up fast, and a lot of European countries see this evolution.

So we can either let this spin out of control, or try a harsher approach. If you know the death penalty is a possible punishment, and you still commit murder, you deserve what you get.
Crime rates and violent crime overall have gone way down

What's up are terrorism and mass shootings

The issue will not be solved by the death penalty - really we need to somehow stop spreading publicity about these events because that is the major motivation

Unfortunately without a Chinese style clampdown on everything from Internet to traditional media that won't be possible
 
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Biden really just handing over the Dem's playbook to Trump. He spent 4 years doing absolutely nothing, refused to step down when he should have, cost the Dems the election, and now is abusing his power in the past few weeks (pardoning his son,) on top of waiting until the very last minute to do anything. GG Dems, if Fascism rises in the US, you can thank Biden for speeding that up.
 
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Biden really just handing over the Dem's playbook to Trump. He spent 4 years doing absolutely nothing, refused to step down when he should have, cost the Dems the election, and now is abusing his power in the past few weeks. GG Dems, if Fascism rises in the US, you can thank Biden for speeding that up.
Please explain to me how this is abusing his power?

He is against the death penalty, and has said as much since he started running for the presidency

During his entire term in office these four years he placed a moratorium on federal execution

And what more, all he has done is commute the death penalty to a life sentence - which is well within his purview

If you think this is an abuse of power I suspect you never read the constitution?
 

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Trump is a jackass and an idiot and I don't take him as being on the left or right seriously, he is a power hungry flip flopper who says whatever he needs to in order to cling onto power

The man was a Democrat before too

His nationalist BS is not left or right, either side can be nationalist

What I will say is I have encountered many more people on the left who want to limit free speech, and there are people on this website who think Holocaust denial should be a crime in the US
 

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Please explain to me how this is abusing his power?

He is against the death penalty, and has said as much since he started running for the presidency

During his entire term in office these four years he placed a moratorium on federal execution

And what more, all he has done is commute the death penalty to a life sentence - which is well within his purview

If you think this is an abuse of power I suspect you never read the constitution?
Pardoning his son is actually what I was more on about. My grievance here is the fact that he waited until the very last minute to do anything. I should make that more clear, so that’s my bad.
I have read the Constitution.
 

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I thought Biden had stepped down from president.

Huh? Why would you think that? He stepped down from running for a second term, not from being president. Who did you think was president now? No one?

Some people do shit so reprehensible and evil they should be killed. Theres no point in wasting millions of dollars in tax payer money keeping people alive for 40 years. Just end them and move on.

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Damn yall are mean as hell wtf. Talkin bout torturing someone for the rest of their lives as if you have any concept of what that would feel like. I'm not saying these are good people but that is definitely no way to build a better world. That's just cruel revenge

Let's see if you feel the same way after something like your 4 year old daughter being raped and murdered.
 

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Pardoning his son is actually what I was more on about. My grievance here is the fact that he waited until the very last minute to do anything. I should make that more clear, so that’s my bad.
I have read the Constitution.
Pardons always come at the end of presidencies, maybe you haven't been paying attention? Look up the pardons of the last 3 administrations and you will discover the dates are always before they step down

Huh? Why would you think that? He stepped down from running for a second term, not from being president. Who did you think was president now? No one?



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Let's see if you feel the same way after something like your 4 year old daughter being raped and murdered.
We don't save money by executing people, it's actually more expensive than life imprisonment because of 10+ years of court battles
 
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We don't save money by executing people, it's actually more expensive than life imprisonment because of 10+ years of court battles

That's not a completely accurate way to look at it. If the system wasn't completely fucked and didn't allow almost unlimited postponements and appeals, executions could be performed much quicker and for much less than keeping a person on death row. The only reason it costs more to execute is legal fees. The system gets its severely broken and fucked all to hell head out of it's own ass.... execution would be the cheaper option by a long shot.

For example, a local teacher was caught ON VIDEO molesting his second grade students. 100% hard factual evidence. It was him. It's on video. In his own classroom at the school. There's zero chance he didn't do it or that it wasn't him. Yet he was out walking around free with an ankle bracelet on for almost two years before his final hearing. Why should he have even been given a trial? Or 20 different hearings? Or be allowed to walk free for two years? He was even caught within whatever distance of one of his victims. They arrested him, threw him in jail for violation of release conditions, and let him out the next morning. Why? The guy is on video. 100% factual and provable evidence. There should be no hearings in these types of cases. Where there is irrefutable evidence to convict a child molester, why let it drag on for 2 years before sentencing? He initially plead not guilty. Only two years later, at the start of the actual trial, did he get afraid and took a plea deal for a guilty plea. How much time resources, and $$$ were wasted on a piece of shit that was ON VIDEO committing these crimes against children. With that hard of evidence and proof, he should have been executed immediately. End of story. And it would have saved TONS of money.

I'm not talking about executing after 10+ years of court postponements. I'm talking about execution for those that are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. You get caught raping a baby? It's on video? There's 100% irrefutable evidence that you did it? You get executed. No trial. No appeals. Notta. So yes, it would save an incredible amount of $$$ if the entire judicial system wasn't severely fucked.
 

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The fact of the matter is the US has rule of law, and all of these safeguards are in place to protect us

Go ahead and look at a system without the safeguards like Russia or China - sure they save a lot of money, but how many of those convictions are real/just?

You unfortunately can't have it both ways, and giving the government too much power without recourse is a recipe for disaster that leads to abuse

Did you ever see the case of the judge who was being paid by private prisons to incarcerate young men btw?

This all gets even murkier with deep fakes in the modern era

But the long and short of it is, I would rather take a clunky system that protects me over a swift system that doesn't

And one thing to remember is even tho it's cheaper to imprison for life - it's still not a lot of money overall either way

37 prisoners out of a population of 330,000,000 people is hardly going to break the bank

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It's estimated it costs 45,000 a year to incarcerate someone, so for the entire population of the US that would be about half a penny per year per person
 

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The fact of the matter is the US has rule of law, and all of these safeguards are in place to protect us

Go ahead and look at a system without the safeguards like Russia or China - sure they save a lot of money, but how many of those convictions are real/just?

You unfortunately can't have it both ways, and giving the government too much power without recourse is a recipe for disaster that leads to abuse

Did you ever see the case of the judge who was being paid by private prisons to incarcerate young men btw?

This all gets even murkier with deep fakes in the modern era

But the long and short of it is, I would rather take a clunky system that protects me over a swift system that doesn't

And one thing to remember is even tho it's cheaper to imprison for life - it's still not a lot of money overall either way

37 prisoners out of a population of 330,000,000 people is hardly going to break the bank

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It's estimated it costs 45,000 a year to incarcerate someone, so for the entire population of the US that would be about half a penny per year per person

You're once again leaving out what can be a huge deciding factor. 100% cold hard facts and evidence of a person committing a crime. Like I said, the fucking guy was ON VIDEO MOLESTING CHILDREN IN HIS OWN CLASSROOM!!!! You think the guy deserved 2 years of hearings, walking around free, and how much $$$$$$$ wasted only for him to change his mind and enter a guilty plea right at the end? The processes the courts took for two years with a guy CAUGHT ON VIDEO molesting children..... were in place to protect us? LMFAO! Gtfo.
 

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The fact of the matter is the US has rule of law, and all of these safeguards are in place to protect us

Go ahead and look at a system without the safeguards like Russia or China - sure they save a lot of money, but how many of those convictions are real/just?

You unfortunately can't have it both ways, and giving the government too much power without recourse is a recipe for disaster that leads to abuse

Did you ever see the case of the judge who was being paid by private prisons to incarcerate young men btw?

This all gets even murkier with deep fakes in the modern era

But the long and short of it is, I would rather take a clunky system that protects me over a swift system that doesn't

And one thing to remember is even tho it's cheaper to imprison for life - it's still not a lot of money overall either way

37 prisoners out of a population of 330,000,000 people is hardly going to break the bank

Edit:

It's estimated it costs 45,000 a year to incarcerate someone, so for the entire population of the US that would be about half a penny per year per person
oh don't worry rule of law is going out the window in 5 days so.........
 

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