Homebrew Be careful before/after you register for the Nintendo Developer Portal!

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If I have a homebrew app developed already that was made with the free homebrew creation tools, would that be in any danger?

Maybe, But it would be safer to just terminate your agreement.
"We may at any time, terminate this Agreement effective immediately by giving the notice to your registered email, if (i) you fail to comply with this Agreement or any other agreement between you and us; (ii) you cease your business operation or become the subject of any voluntary or involuntary proceeding under the applicable bankruptcy or insolvency laws; or (iii) if we deem it necessary for legal, technical or commercial reasons (with a reasonable advance notice). You may at any time terminate this Agreement by giving the notice to us using your registered email."
Just send them an email saying you want out. I suggest this for everyone.
 

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Maybe, But it would be safer to just terminate your agreement.
"We may at any time, terminate this Agreement effective immediately by giving the notice to your registered email, if (i) you fail to comply with this Agreement or any other agreement between you and us; (ii) you cease your business operation or become the subject of any voluntary or involuntary proceeding under the applicable bankruptcy or insolvency laws; or (iii) if we deem it necessary for legal, technical or commercial reasons (with a reasonable advance notice). You may at any time terminate this Agreement by giving the notice to us using your registered email."
Just send them an email saying you want out. I suggest this for everyone.

This is what I did over a week ago. However I haven't received any reply. And the status of my NDA is still "executed".
 

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Maybe, But it would be safer to just terminate your agreement.
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Just send them an email saying you want out. I suggest this for everyone.
You are aware there is absolutely nothing in the NDA that prohibits anyone from working on homebrew using community created tools and libraries, right?
 
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So, I got a response from Nintendo.

How can my account be terminated?

A. Accounts will auto-lock after 3 months of inactivity. To reactivate the account you just have to go through the password reset process. We recommend this if you want to leave the option open to try developing for us in the future.

In order to terminate the agreement you need to follow the instructions detailed in the NDA (Sections 11 and 12). A link to the full NDA text can be found at the bottom of every page on the site. Please note that per Section 12, even if you terminate the NDA agreement, you are still legally bound by specific sections:
Sections 1-b, 1-c, 2, 3, 5-b, 5-f, 6-b, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16 and any other provisions that reasonably may be construed as surviving this Agreement will survive the termination of this Agreement.

Any Nintendo confidential material you may possess must be destroyed or returned as per Section 8-b. That includes any copies of our software you may have downloaded/installed, or any development hardware you may have purchased. Terminating the agreement does not give you the right to sell or transfer development hardware to anyone who is not under NDA, and (obviously I hope) does not give you permission to upload our SDKs or tools to <internet file sharing service>. You also remain prohibited from doing or participating in any projects to reverse engineer our software or hardware (per Section 5-f), and you can't discuss Nintendo confidential information with anyone who isn't under NDA (Section 8).

In short terminating the agreement is somewhat meaningless as you are still legally bound by the significant bits anyway. Again, my recommendation is to just let the account lock and come back to it in the future if a new opportunity presents itself.
https://developer.nintendo.com/grou...s/english/-/gts_message_boards/thread/5173156 (Must be logged on to view)

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Basically if you signed up, you can't make reverse-engineer directly or indirectly reverse-engineer anything anymore.
 

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@7iven8Nine Anyone who is scared/wanting to un-sign the NDA probably isn't smart enough to be reverse engineering anything anyways ;)
It says indirectly reverse-engineering, which could mean using homebrew, depending on what they say.
The only thing I could find is if they change the agreement and you post nothing after that date, then you're free. But that's if they change it.

  1. Changes to this Agreement. We may change this Agreement from time to time so far as this is necessary or helpful to enhance the Portal, the Services or to adapt it to reflect changes in technical or legal requirements. If we make any material changes to this Agreement, we’ll provide at least fourteen (14) days prior notice of the changes by sending to your registered email address, putting the updated version of this Agreement on the Portal, and updating the "Last Updated" date. If you continue to use the Portal after the effective date of the changes, the changes will be deemed to be accepted by you.
 

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It says indirectly reverse-engineering, which could mean using homebrew, depending on what they say.
The only thing I could find is if they change the agreement and you post nothing after that date, then you're free. But that's if they change it.




    • Changes to this Agreement. We may change this Agreement from time to time so far as this is necessary or helpful to enhance the Portal, the Services or to adapt it to reflect changes in technical or legal requirements. If we make any material changes to this Agreement, we’ll provide at least fourteen (14) days prior notice of the changes by sending to your registered email address, putting the updated version of this Agreement on the Portal, and updating the "Last Updated" date. If you continue to use the Portal after the effective date of the changes, the changes will be deemed to be accepted by you.
You'd get advance notice of that, so long as you didn't use a throw away email account.

Also, homebrew isn't RE, using something that's community-created isn't RE (libctru, and other similar libraries). Now, if you wanted to contribute to those libraries, you'd have problems, but again, unlikely anyone who could and cares would sign the NDA after having glanced at it.
 

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You'd get advance notice of that, so long as you didn't use a throw away email account.

Also, homebrew isn't RE, using something that's community-created isn't RE (libctru, and other similar libraries). Now, if you wanted to contribute to those libraries, you'd have problems, but again, unlikely anyone who could and cares would sign the NDA after having glanced at it.

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