Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

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Fuck Austrian Politics....

The first draft law is available and only needs to be "waved through" in the National Council (the majority is there, thanks to our ****** Government).

According to the draft law, the vaccines from BioNtech / Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are recognized.
 
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And as side Note to all "Mandatory Vaccination Fans":

If the law goes through like this, it will open the door to governments for further mandatory "rules" ...
The next "compulsory laws" could, for example, affect smokers, overweight people and so on ...

I really hope then none of those who are now screaming for compulsory vaccination will be there and "complain" ...

Humanity is too blind to see what is going to happen ...
 

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The next "compulsory laws" could, for example, affect smokers, overweight people and so on ...

I really hope then none of those who are now screaming for compulsory vaccination will be there and "complain" ...

Humanity is too blind to see what is going to happen ...
Obesity, for example, isn't an infectious disease that affects others around you, so your concerns seem unwarranted.

That being said, higher taxes or health care premiums for conditions like obesity are reasonable. If I were Austria, a country with publicly funded health care, I'd implement the vaccine mandate as something like a tax on those who are unvaccinated (similar to what US private insurance companies do with smokers), and I'd still require proof of vaccination for specific privileges like public transit.
 
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Well, countries are already doing a sugar tax.
There is more than enough moral and legal precedent for a country to tax behaviors that are causing the country extra financial stress (or for any reason really). Cigarettes should be heavily taxed. Sugar should be heavily taxed. Gasoline should be heavily taxed. Being unvaccinated should be heavily taxed.
 
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Obesity, for example, isn't an infectious disease that affects others around you, so your concerns seem unwarranted.

That being said, higher taxes or health care premiums for conditions like obesity are reasonable. If I were Austria, a country with publicly funded health care, I'd implement the vaccine mandate as something like a tax on those who are unvaccinated (similar to what US private insurance companies do with smokers), and I'd still require proof of vaccination for specific privileges like public transit.
Isn't Singapore already forcing unvaccinated citizens without a medical exemption to pay their own COVID-related medical bills?
 

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whereas I'm sure a quick pin-prick style blood test could be developed that was both quick and effective - and more importantly actually tell you if you should be allowing a person to be in a public place.
I don't know whether it can be, but the loons who don't want the vaccine aren't going to let the government stab them with a 5g magnetic pin prick test.

Plus you've ignored the most important issue, the test would be performed in a public place.
 

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Calling people racist because they blame China for something misses the mark.
Not if you blame them because of misunderstanding of the people of China, due to your racism.

Which for the way you argue, seems definitely to be the case. Even if you are incapable of seeing it.
 
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I don't know whether it can be, but the loons who don't want the vaccine aren't going to let the government stab them with a 5g magnetic pin prick test.

Plus you've ignored the most important issue, the test would be performed in a public place.
How about a breathalyser then? Seems more feasible than blood.
 

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Obesity, for example, isn't an infectious disease that affects others around you, so your concerns seem unwarranted.
There is the socially contagious aspect (if your friends are/get fat chances are greater that you follow, and it is not just that fat people are so unlikeable that they have to stick together, and that is before we contemplate some of the nonsense coming out of the fat acceptance/healthy at every size world), and if you want a more conventionally biologically contagious thing (though social contagion is a recognised concept in epidemiology) then look up what goes with faecal transplants, albeit that is less coughs and sneezes. Equally if "because it troubles the healthcare system" is a valid reason for mandating such things then obesity is a bigger cause of things there than kung flu ever will be (cancers, heart attacks, joint issues, infections...), not to mention to take it back to the matter at hand then antibody production for fat people is tricky both in positive fighting the virus aspects and in body decides to attack itself aspects.

As far as affecting others around you then it does hurt my eyeballs, and fat people getting sick more often does in turn reduce their productivity in my companies if eyeballs are not enough.
 

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Not if you blame them because of misunderstanding of the people of China, due to your racism.

Which for the way you argue, seems definitely to be the case. Even if you are incapable of seeing it.

What are you talking about? I made the case that China's government is not a representation of Chinese people, at large--which you should agree with.

Let me reiterate what you seem to think racism is:

No, it's racist when you attack another country and blame them when it was a natural event.
 
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There is the socially contagious aspect (if your friends are/get fat chances are greater that you follow, and it is not just that fat people are so unlikeable that they have to stick together, and that is before we contemplate some of the nonsense coming out of the fat acceptance/healthy at every size world), and if you want a more conventionally biologically contagious thing (though social contagion is a recognised concept in epidemiology) then look up what goes with faecal transplants, albeit that is less coughs and sneezes. Equally if "because it troubles the healthcare system" is a valid reason for mandating such things then obesity is a bigger cause of things there than kung flu ever will be (cancers, heart attacks, joint issues, infections...), not to mention to take it back to the matter at hand then antibody production for fat people is tricky both in positive fighting the virus aspects and in body decides to attack itself aspects.

As far as affecting others around you then it does hurt my eyeballs, and fat people getting sick more often does in turn reduce their productivity in my companies if eyeballs are not enough.
Saying fat people hurts your eyeballs is a non argument that's comparable to the covid vaccine or unvaccinated people.


A fat person can't cough and make other people become fat because of that cough. Not comparable no matter how much you try to twist logic to try to make them the same just to have an argument.

Not office jobs at a computer, be skinny, fat doesn't matter when all you need is your hands. And I've see overweight people do manual labor type jobs just fine. It's only the ones that can't walk because of their obesity that are unable to achieve these tasks.
 

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Saying fat people hurts your eyeballs is a non argument that's comparable to the covid vaccine or unvaccinated people.


A fat person can't cough and make other people become fat because of that cough. Not comparable no matter how much you try to twist logic to try to make them the same just to have an argument.

Not office jobs at a computer, be skinny, fat doesn't matter when all you need is your hands. And I've see overweight people do manual labor type jobs just fine. It's only the ones that can't walk because of their obesity that are unable to achieve these tasks.
In terms of magnitude then yeah I learn to ignore it, to say it has no effect though would not be valid.

They are not the same and I was not trying to. I was drawing a comparison to the health service bills thing that some seem to be going in for.

I said being sick more often. As far as manual labour then being able to move a wheelbarrow full of bricks is one thing, being about to do it at acceptable pace for 3 hours, lunch and then another 4 or so before repeating for the next 5 days and so on is a different matter entirely which any more than a slight beer gut does not happen for. About the only perk is if said fatness kills them early for me then I guess you pay out less in retirement homes/pensions (see also the smoker argument). That is also ignoring that being fat troubles your immunity (and health in general) as it pertains to this whole kung flu antibodies business if self selected lack of immunity is a reason to force things/fine people/financially trouble them -- https://gbatemp.net/threads/austria...vaccine-mandatory.603218/page-18#post-9673220

This is all getting very circular as well. Some seem to find kung flu if not the worstest thing evar then suitably bad to fly in the face of generally accepted medical ethics, or at least make life so unbearable by other means as to force compliance, and that it somehow going to do some good*. Carrot and stick is a fine thing to play with but probably too much stick in this case/those cases proposed, and if mixing food metaphors is this a can you make an omelette without breaking eggs? Not sure how to break this one, especially if people are going with the full weight of fear and self righteousness making their decisions for them.

*combined with a border lock and serious restrictions you might be able to do a local/country level setup, rather costly in terms of both monies and freedoms. Given first world countries could not manage it even with the assumption of a compliant population then no chance third world shitholes that barely have clean bandages and hot water or a medic better than the local witchdoctor are going to manage that any time soon which brings both reintroduction of existing strains and mutations (which simple evolutionary biology tells us will in all probably involve a dodge of existing vaccinations before long, especially as isolation and destruction is unfeasible for reasons covered already, whether it gets weaker in the process only time and all that).
 
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For the Mandatory Vaccination Law,a little Reminder from 1946 (Nuremberg Codex).

The Nuremberg Code as an ethical guideline with regard to the implementation of experimental treatments on humans is ignored (“The voluntary consent of the test subject is absolutely necessary.”)

From a so-called “vaccination cut-off date”, all persons registered as resident in Austria must undergo the experimental gene vaccination or pay a “fine”.

Leaked Draft Law:
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There is the socially contagious aspect (if your friends are/get fat chances are greater that you follow, and it is not just that fat people are so unlikeable that they have to stick together, and that is before we contemplate some of the nonsense coming out of the fat acceptance/healthy at every size world), and if you want a more conventionally biologically contagious thing (though social contagion is a recognised concept in epidemiology) then look up what goes with faecal transplants, albeit that is less coughs and sneezes. Equally if "because it troubles the healthcare system" is a valid reason for mandating such things then obesity is a bigger cause of things there than kung flu ever will be (cancers, heart attacks, joint issues, infections...), not to mention to take it back to the matter at hand then antibody production for fat people is tricky both in positive fighting the virus aspects and in body decides to attack itself aspects.

As far as affecting others around you then it does hurt my eyeballs, and fat people getting sick more often does in turn reduce their productivity in my companies if eyeballs are not enough.
There's a lot to unpack here, so everyone forgive me if I miss something.
  1. Obesity is not contagious. A person is only going to become obese due to their choices and predispositions, not because of any other obese person.
  2. I consider it reasonable for obese people to have to pay higher taxes or healthcare premiums if they are causing a financial strain on the healthcare system.
  3. It would be inappropriate to ban obese people from, for example, entering a public school, since obesity is not a communicable disease.
  4. As respectfully as possible, nobody cares about your delicate little sensibilities with regard to seeing obese people. It's purely subjective.
  5. Assuming you live where obesity isn't considered an immutable characteristic or protected class, don't hire obese people if you're worried about their productivity. If I ran a business, I wouldn't hire anyone unvaccinated, nor should I.
  6. Calling COVID-19 the "kung flu" is actually racist, it's tone-deaf, and it perpetuates several harmful myths. It is becoming more clear to me than it was already that numerous staff members are toxic as hell, and I'm starting to realize that a site that allows staff members' toxicity to go unchecked is probably itself toxic.
 

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All I hear is, "Govern me harder daddy~ Protec me from the Kung-Flu~"

Calling COVID-19 the "kung flu" is actually racist, it's tone-deaf, and it perpetuates several harmful myths. It is becoming more clear to me than it was already that numerous staff members are toxic as hell, and I'm starting to realize that a site that allows staff members' toxicity to go unchecked is probably itself toxic.
Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, even for a tiny, little bit, you're the toxic person here? Nah, you're the righteous messenger of the vaccine and everyone else is the bad anti-vax bigots who deserve to suffer for not following your line of thinking except for the other sheep- I mean other reasonable people who agree with you.

You got some balls I tell you that much. You're right that some of the staff are toxic though, just not for the reasons you think.
 

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There is more than enough moral and legal precedent for a country to tax behaviors that are causing the country extra financial stress (or for any reason really). Cigarettes should be heavily taxed. Sugar should be heavily taxed. Gasoline should be heavily taxed. Being unvaccinated should be heavily taxed.
Well, I feel like it is more like taxing behaviors that affect public health and safety.
 
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the bad anti-vax bigots who deserve to suffer for not following your line of thinking
I don't think all anti-vaxxers are bigots; I think anti-vaxxers who say bigoted things are bigots. I also don't think anybody deserves to suffer, not even the bigots. I just think anti-vaxxers should be treated the same way I would be treated if I walked around in public naked.
 
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