Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

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I'm certain the whole lab leak thing was a result of that paper because they identified it being 96% similar to the bat coronavirus that they were supposedly doing gain of function work on in the Wuhan lab.
96% is very different. The lab tested all their samples & it wasn't a match for any of them. If you're saying you don't believe them, well they were the ones that said it was 96%, so why believe that?

We know that sars cov 2 is 96% the same as a bat coronavirus that was found in the wild and sent to a lab. That coronavirus was in the wild mutating, that is the simplest and most likely way we got infected.

There are still plenty of people that don't even believe it came from Wuhan though, because that would somehow be racist.
No, it's racist when you attack another country and blame them when it was a natural event. The term "wet market" probably doesn't mean what you think it does. "Media reports that fail to distinguish between all wet markets and those with live animals or wildlife, as well as insinuations of fostering wildlife smuggling, have been blamed for fueling Sinophobia related to the COVID-19 pandemic."

I am not entirely sure it came from the wet market in wuhan as there were some initial cases that couldn't be explained. I think wuhan may have been a secondary site, that just happened to be more identifiable.
 
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And as mentioned a couple of times, Project Veritas is well known for deceptively editing videos and such to discredit and change up stories to fit their agendas. They've also heavily propagated conspiracy theories and disinformation, so your video "proof" is not very convincing.

My lord people, do any of you research anything you hear or do you just repeat the news that comforts your world view the most?

I always here these claims in the main stream press, and the main stream press, most especially on the left, has not qualms with lying to your face. Again if you can present me one case where in it can be proven without a doubt that project veritas is up to no good, I will HAPPILY reshare that information on my Youtube and elsewhere. I prefer to know when I am being lied to, but again I have looked into a lot of these claims in the past when I was familiarizing myself with Veritas, and none of them have held up so far. So if you can provide me with something that is not left wing b.s. I will be grateful!
 

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There's no way the US would, have you seen how angry Fauci gets when it's suggested to him?
...You realize that Trump also would've had to have been in on the cover-up, and that man keeping any secret is a statistical impossibility. Especially after he lost the election, he would've had no reason to keep quiet. Regardless, the theory is ridiculous as can be...it's a worldwide pandemic, the whole world would need to be in on the conspiracy. And then the question remains: to what end? So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? That was already happening at an exponential rate, and the working class actually has more bargaining power now as a result of so many people dying/leaving the work force.
 
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...You realize that Trump also would've had to have been in on the cover-up, and that man keeping any secret is a statistical impossibility. Especially after he lost the election, he would've had no reason to keep quiet. Regardless, the theory is ridiculous as can be...it's a worldwide pandemic, the whole world would need to be in on the conspiracy. And then the question remains: to what end? So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? That was already happening at an exponential rate, and the working class actually has more bargaining power now as a result of so many people dying/leaving the work force.
Not sure why you're trying to inject a conspiracy into this. It's way more likely it was leaked due to poor practices than some sort of wacky global scheme. We're talking about the same lab that was cited in the past for safety violations.
 

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Not sure why you're trying to inject a conspiracy into this. It's way more likely it was leaked due to poor practices than some sort of wacky global scheme. We're talking about the same lab that was cited in the past for safety violations.
It's somewhat more believable that the virus was discovered in nature and then contained and subsequently leaked from that lab. Weatmod's claim, however, is that the virus was entirely man-made, aka a biological weapon. In which case I'd expect it to be far more targeted and have a much higher mortality rate. There are nearly infinite ways to go about debunking that theory.
 
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It's somewhat more believable that the virus was discovered in nature and then contained and subsequently leaked from that lab. Weatmod's claim, however, is that the virus was entirely man-made, aka a biological weapon. In which case I'd expect it to be far more targeted and have a much higher mortality rate. There are nearly infinite ways to go about debunking that theory.
You replied quoting me though, so there's no point addressing someone else's theory which I've never claimed to support. I firmly believe this was all a result of incompetence rather than planned.
 
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I always here these claims in the main stream press, and the main stream press, most especially on the left, has not qualms with lying to your face.

Most especially on the right.
Again if you can present me one case where in it can be proven without a doubt that project veritas is up to no good, I will HAPPILY reshare that information on my Youtube and elsewhere. I prefer to know when I am being lied to, but again I have looked into a lot of these claims in the past when I was familiarizing myself with Veritas, and none of them have held up so far. So if you can provide me with something that is not left wing b.s. I will be grateful!
The fact you will just dismiss any proof as "left wing b.s" makes it rather pointless.

You don't prefer to know when you are being lied to, you prefer to be told what you already believe.

"I blame America for global warming, but not China."

Touch the racist part please.
I'm not touching you.
 

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Can you provide any peer-reviewed sources that show those against getting vaccinated have any grounds in reality? You say a lot of words but at the end of day, none of them are changing reality in favor of respecting those against getting vaccinated.
Think of it like this perhaps:

Imagine how many pro-lifers don't want women to have abortions. That's taking away a person's right to choose what happens to their own body. But imagine it in the reverse. Women being forced to have abortions. Now you're actively invading a woman's body. It's one thing to prevent someone from doing something to their body; it's a whole other story when you're actually invading someone's only sacred place: their own body.

Ask yourself that question. Probably don't need to inquire with your peers about that. ;)
 

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Think of it like this perhaps:

Imagine how many pro-lifers don't want women to have abortions. That's taking away a person's right to choose what happens to their own body. But imagine it in the reverse. Women being forced to have abortions. Now you're actively invading a woman's body. It's one thing to prevent someone from doing something to their body; it's a whole other story when you're actually invading someone's only sacred place: their own body.

Ask yourself that question. Probably don't need to inquire with your peers about that. ;)
First, I am not pro-forcing anyone to do anything. That being said, abortion and vaccination are not comparable in their effects on other people. One person getting an abortion does not cause everyone exposed to them to get an abortion. On the other hand, one person not getting vaccinated does effect everyone exposed to them. These are not the same. I don’t agree with the government forcing anyone to do anything but I will die on the hill that anti-vaxxors are dangerous people who harm everyone around them.
 

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Well, not exactly.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

This clearly shows that these insertion sequences are widely present in living organisms including viruses, but not HIV-1 specific.

You probably should question your bias more.
the source is bias also though

you are picking and choosing science as if it exists in a vacuum

9 out of 10 scientists agree with the people who fund them



it has been demonstrated that there is a cover up effort, and a massive attempt at censorship


that was also "predicted" in one of the most lengthy parts of the event 201 "mock scenario"
 

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First, I am not pro-forcing anyone to do anything. That being said, abortion and vaccination are not comparable in their effects on other people. One person getting an abortion does not cause everyone exposed to them to get an abortion. On the other hand, one person not getting vaccinated does effect everyone exposed to them. These are not the same. I don’t agree with the government forcing anyone to do anything but I will die on the hill that anti-vaxxors are dangerous people who harm everyone around them.
I agree, they're not the same thing. On the flipside, having an abortion does affect everyone else. How, who knows? But that life is now gone.

I'm not saying forced vaccine is good or bad. Personally, I don't want to be forced to have it. But whether it's right or wrong, well, I'll leave that to a Higher Power to determine.

Are vaccinated or "anti-vaxxors" dangerous? Hmm... Guess it depends on your point of view, now, doesn't it?
 

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I'm not touching you.

Instead of deflecting, please genuinely answer the question. It appears that you said a stupid thing, that "attacking another country" is racist, and I am genuinely wondering what kind of mental process you undertake when presented with such a phrase. I am not the phrase, so please try, or concede that you are mistaken in you zeal.

One person getting an abortion does not cause everyone exposed to them to get an abortion
One person, not getting an abortion, exposes everyone to their folly. You aren't comparing like to like. It appears intentional.

On top of that, you say that "anti-vaxxors are dangerous people who harm everyone around them." This is absurd. Can you explain how an "anti-vaxxor" is harming everyone around them? The closest semblance of sanity I can conceive of such a notion, is that you think that someone who hasn't taken the vaccine has covid and is willfully spreading it to everyone they come into contact with--but that's not even a sane conclusion.
 

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One person, not getting an abortion, exposes everyone to their folly. You aren't comparing like to like. It appears intentional.

On top of that, you say that "anti-vaxxors are dangerous people who harm everyone around them." This is absurd. Can you explain how an "anti-vaxxor" is harming everyone around them? The closest semblance of sanity I can conceive of such a notion, is that you think that someone who hasn't taken the vaccine has covid and is willfully spreading it to everyone they come into contact with--but that's not even a sane conclusion.
A person getting an abortion doesn't cause pregnant women around them to miscarriage. Oppositely, a person not getting vaccinated increases the odds they will become infected and infect others, relative to their vaccinated counterparts.
 
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I agree, they're not the same thing. On the flipside, having an abortion does affect everyone else. How, who knows? But that life is now gone.

I'm not saying forced vaccine is good or bad. Personally, I don't want to be forced to have it. But whether it's right or wrong, well, I'll leave that to a Higher Power to determine.

Are vaccinated or "anti-vaxxors" dangerous? Hmm... Guess it depends on your point of view, now, doesn't it?
The difference is that abortions aren’t a rapid spreading virus and don’t spread to other people. An individual’s abortion does not suddenly cause more abortions or miscarriages. This is also not a matter of right or wrong, anti-vaxxors are provenly dangerous to other people around them. Their choices have already caused outbreaks of fully-preventable disease to start spreading again.
 

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I agree, they're not the same thing. On the flipside, having an abortion does affect everyone else. How, who knows? But that life is now gone.

I'm not saying forced vaccine is good or bad. Personally, I don't want to be forced to have it. But whether it's right or wrong, well, I'll leave that to a Higher Power to determine.

Are vaccinated or "anti-vaxxors" dangerous? Hmm... Guess it depends on your point of view, now, doesn't it?
If you want to convince people of something you can't say who knows. That's not a very good answer. You have to give exact reasons on how it affects everyone else. Because the "who knows" answer can be said to just about anything and be an abused response. That's just like telling someone do as I say because I said so. Both aren't very good responses at convincing people.

Higher Powers should never be the determining factor at deciding for you or for the smaller person. You need to take matters into your own hands. You need full autonomy over yourself and control over these decisions yourself.
 

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A person getting an abortion doesn't cause pregnant women around them to miscarriage. Oppositely, a person not getting vaccinated increases the odds they will become infected and infect others, relative to their vaccinated counterparts.
You are talking over me again. I didn't say anything about a person getting an abortion. It's a false-equivalence to compare getting an abortion to not taking a vaccine since the vaccine essentially is an attempt to abort the virus.

If you are going to run these comparisons, you should compare like to like, or you appear disingenuous, or even more so than you already appear.

An abortion is like taking the vaccine. You can argue that both aren't affecting others. And you may also argue that by not doing them will affect others.

Because of your parents' choice to not have an abortion (to get vaccinated from you), we have to deal with the added burden of your existence.
 
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You are talking over me again. I didn't say anything about a person getting an abortion. It's a false-equivalence to compare getting an abortion to not taking a vaccine since the vaccine essentially is an attempt to abort the virus.

If you are going to run these comparisons, you should compare like to like, or you appear disingenuous, or even more so than you already appear.

An abortion is like taking the vaccine. You can argue that both aren't affecting others. And you may also argue that by not doing them will affect others.

Because of your parents' choice to not have an abortion (to get vaccinated from you), we have to deal with the added burden of your existence.
You are really stretching for comparisons by using the word "abort" to compare abortions to vaccination.
 
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You are talking over me again. I didn't say anything about a person getting an abortion. It's a false-equivalence to compare getting an abortion to not taking a vaccine since the vaccine essentially is an attempt to abort the virus.

If you are going to run these comparisons, you should compare like to like, or you appear disingenuous, or even more so than you already appear.

An abortion is like taking the vaccine. You can argue that both aren't affecting others. And you may also argue that by not doing them will affect others.

Because of your parents' choice to not have an abortion (to get vaccinated from you), we have to deal with the added burden of your existence.
Whether or not a person gets an abortion has no real effect on you or anyone else around you. The same cannot be said with regard to vaccination.
 
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