Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

[tabzer]

There are a lot of people here actively hurting themselves and others by refusing to get vaccinated, so you are incorrect.

Agreeing with the statement and accurately assessing real threats are two different things. This is just another example of you being pretentious.

 

[Lacius]

Agreeing with the statement and accurately assessing real threats are two different things. This is just another example of you being pretentious.

There are very real anti-vaxxers in this thread spewing very imaginary threats purported to be associated with the vaccines, and they're hurting themselves and others while doing so by not getting vaccinated. It isn't pretentious to acknowledge this very provable fact.

 

[Dakitten]

Agreeing with the statement and accurately assessing real threats are two different things. This is just another example of you being pretentious.

Tabz is so personal with his attacks lately. Shame there aren't any mods participating in this thread to regulate such behavior... for folks on the right, anyways.

 

[weatMod]

when the "conspiracy theorists"

predict the entire agenda right before it happens....



posted September 20th 2019

anyone who was paying attention could have seen this coming they broadcasted what they were going to do

event 201 ,lockstep ,etc.

 

[tabzer]

There are very real anti-vaxxers in this thread spewing very imaginary threats purported to be associated with the vaccines, and they're hurting themselves and others while doing so by not getting vaccinated. It isn't pretentious to acknowledge this very provable fact.

You aren't even responding to what I pointed out.

 

[Lacius]

You aren't even responding to what I pointed out.

1. @smf said defending yourself from an imaginary threat is either a waste of time, or a danger to yourself and others.
2. You said this is obvious and that you didn't think "a single person here would generally disagree with that."
3. There are numerous anti-vaxxers here who are "defending against an imaginary threat" to their own detriment and to the detriment of others.

This shows you were mistaken. I'm not sure how to make it more clear.

 

[Xzi]

anyone who was paying attention could have seen this coming they broadcasted what they were going to do

Anyone who was paying attention knows that infectious disease experts started warning that we were overdue for another major pandemic around 2012. The Obama administration took those warnings seriously and established a federal pandemic response team, which the Trump administration then disbanded in 2017.

 

[weatMod]

Anyone who was paying attention knows that infectious disease experts started warning that we were overdue for another major pandemic around 2012. The Obama administration took those warnings seriously and established a federal pandemic response team, which the Trump administration then disbanded in 2017.

Event 201 was a lot more specific than that

and I have family who got an early warning in September too
they live in NY and work around these kids of people (goldman sachs ) , have extremely high profile neighbors in the west village

multi million $ brownstone, make at least 7 figures

they knew, they were told to prep , the told my aunt to prep and bought her supplies

there is evidence of foreknowledge all over the place , and I know personally people knew so this was definitely planned

 

[tabzer]

1. @smf said defending yourself from an imaginary threat is either a waste of time, or a danger to yourself and others.
2. You said this is obvious and that you didn't think "a single person here would generally disagree with that."
3. There are numerous anti-vaxxers here who are "defending against an imaginary threat" to their own detriment and to the detriment of others.

This shows you were mistaken. I'm not sure how to make it more clear.

Something happened between step 2 and step 3 and I pointed it out. That's what I called pretentious. Accurately so. You want to talk over me, that's fine. I'm sure everyone here would benefit from hearing more from you.

 

[Lacius]

Something happened between step 2 and step 3 and I pointed it out. That's what I called pretentious. Accurately so. You want to talk over me, that's fine. I'm sure everyone here would benefit from hearing more from you.

If you want to tell me specifically where I was mistaken, instead of lobbing personal attacks, be sure to tag me. I'm not holding my breath.

If a person is so focused on imaginary dangers that they don't protect themselves from real dangers, my point stands.

 

[Lucaserf]

Event 201 was a lot more specific than that

and I have family who got an early warning in September too
they live in NY and work around these kids of people (goldman sachs ) , have extremely high profile neighbors in the west village

multi million $ brownstone, make at least 7 figures

they knew, they were told to prep , the told my aunt to prep and bought her supplies

there is evidence of foreknowledge all over the place , and I know personally people knew so this was definitely planned

schizo posting time

 

[Piqua]

If you knew how vaccines worked, then you wouldn't make that argument.

This isn't a vaccine. You people acting like this is the same gift from God as polio when its really an experiment from a few devils. It took the polio vaccine 10 years to come into fruition, a POTUS that suffered and died from it, and a couple hundred willing participants that were given full disclosure on side effects and risks.

Now tell me Rona had the same thing....I'll wait.

 

[Piqua]

when the "conspiracy theorists"

predict the entire agenda right before it happens....



posted September 20th 2019

anyone who was paying attention could have seen this coming they broadcasted what they were going to do

event 201 ,lockstep ,etc.

This was posted September 2019. This was SPOT ON. Anybody still believing these vaccines are helping the spread of something with a 99% recovery rate deserves the martial law they get.

 

[Deleted member 491410]

This isn't a vaccine. You people acting like this is the same gift from God as polio when its really an experiment from a few devils. It took the polio vaccine 10 years to come into fruition, a POTUS that suffered and died from it, and a couple hundred willing participants that were given full disclosure on side effects and risks.

Now tell me Rona had the same thing....I'll wait.

"Rona" had the same thing, but it jumped through a lot of bureaucracy that would otherwise have slowed the ability to do testing and research. It was developed faster due to being a coronavirus, of which we already had lots of knowledge about as a general group (due to SARS in the mid 2000s). It was developed faster because it is somewhat related to SARS (hence the name SARS-CoV-2) and we had already developed a vaccine for it. It was developed faster because it was realized how incredibly spreadable the virus is compared to SARS and other coronaviruses before it, and the need was recognised to put "all hands on deck" so to speak. It was developed faster because when people were working on the Polio vaccine in the 40s and 50s into the early 60s, technology and scientific advancement was not nearly as far ahead as it is today. The moderna COVID vaccine was initially tested on 120 people as part of phase 1 clinical trials, similar to that of the trials done on various vaccines in the early 1960s for Polio. As the efficacy of the trials were shown to be good, the test subject amount increased, just as any vaccine trial would. They have now conducted three stages of trials on Moderna, with the largest trial having 15,210 participants who recieved the shot. This third stage of trials was in July of 2020. The results continued to show as the first and second stages did that it decreased the severity of symptoms, and reduced the likelihood of catching it altogether to a large degree. I do suggest you read the journal about it, it's quite interesting. I'd link the journal posted by the New England Journal of Medicine about Moderna, but I cannot due to posting restrictions on such a new account. Look it up for me, Moderna has links to the journals and other info on all the trials they completed on their website.

Anyway, y'all who aren't vaccinated because you're scared of the vaccine are just too lazy to believe in the facts provided to you in public scientific journals and other directly reputable sources. Don't believe big media? Fine, then read up on and believe in peer-reviewed, scientific study, provided in public scientific journals. For all the vaccines. I'm only singling out Moderna as I have experience with it, having got both my shots in March and April of 2021, as soon as they were available to me.

Haven't died yet, or become magnetic, or started producing 5G signals, nor has the levels of anything in my blood changed since the shot (I get regular bloodwork as part of other, unrelated medical care). Get vaccinated. Seriously. The benefits to the safety you provide yourself, others, and now even your quality of life, will generally just get better.

 

[Deleted member 491410]

In your risk-reward analysis there is no need to tolerate people, one I might question if it is coloured by your personal perception (you have previously claimed to be especially prone to such things, and maybe have those in your life that are similarly so). For others it can differ. Detrimental is also something that gets to be qualified, though there are detriments.
I don't see it being a misuse -- it is a fairly trite concept in line with similarly trite notions of free speech, freedom of religion and various other things. Agree with what you have to say is one thing but right to say it and all that. Too many qualifiers and you risk losing the entire thing, and frankly I don't see this as being near any kind of real hardline approach being forced lest humanity fail or something.

Typing on a phone? Rabid spreading is amusing I take it that means rapid.
OK. Given most countries can't manage even supply then third world shitholes are going to be that way for longer and presumably going on there (see also this Indian variant lark and they have way better than most of Africa, Asia and possibly even South America at this point. Might it be said to then be pissing into the wind or something equally futile, and also tricky from a rights thing above (if you are going to stamp all over them in a big way then probably ought to be for a good reason). Similarly the asymptomatic cases and overwhelming counts thereof (if we extrapolate backwards from reliable tests and known spread rates it is presumably a rather high count) does mean we are back at community arguments if we are going that way.

There are some longer term side effects I would place up there with the disease as well, certainly ones that if you maliciously caused it in someone else would cause you to be slapped hard. Rare and percentage balances get fun with if we are doing the maths of sociopaths (or those making the "hard decisions"), but things that exist, though side effects or not is almost immaterial in this discussion (though side effects vs disease can certainly form part of that and a rebuttal, certainly would from me).

As for you, all I can say is I'm disappointed this is the kind of person GBATemp allows onto the Editorial staff. Anti-Vax, seemingly Anti-Abortion. Żegnam, you dolt.

 

[FAST6191]

As for you, all I can say is I'm disappointed this is the kind of person GBATemp allows onto the Editorial staff. Anti-Vax, seemingly Anti-Abortion. Żegnam, you dolt.
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion, even with the contents of this thread as a sole source of information. Though roll on the mischaracterisation. That way the best flames lie.

 

[Deleted member 491410]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, even with the contents of this thread as a sole source of information. Though roll on the mischaracterisation. That way the best flames lie.

Then clear it up. That's the way your comments here read to me. When someone makes fun of "My Body, My Choice" they're probably not for abortion. When they consistantly talk about how the vaccine is bad and mandates are bad, they're probably anti-vax.

Or again, as you said, you can just not bother and consider me a speck not worth listening to. Up to you!

 

[Alexander1970]

There are a lot of people here actively hurting themselves and others by refusing to get vaccinated, so you are incorrect.

Not refusing,but not accepting vaccination every 2 -3 Months.....and many other "Side Effects"....
Remember Polio,Tetanus every 9,10 Years ? But ok,this is no Comparison you accept.

And to reassure you, the EMA approvals/permissions of the alternative Vaccines "last" .... probably until AFTER February 1st, 2021 .... but these are not arguments that interest you either ...

Main Thing is:

 

[Deleted member 491410]

Not refusing,but not accepting vaccination every 2 -3 Months.....and many other "Side Effects"....
Remember Polio,Tetanus every 9,10 Years ? But ok,this is no Comparison you accept.

And to reassure you, the EMA approvals/permissions of the alternative Vaccines "last" .... probably until AFTER February 1st, 2021 .... but these are not arguments that interest you either ...

Main Thing is:

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can u plz provide translation

 

[FAST6191]

Then clear it up. That's the way your comments here read to me. When someone makes fun of "My Body, My Choice" they're probably not for abortion. When they consistantly talk about how the vaccine is bad and mandates are bad, they're probably anti-vax.

Or again, as you said, you can just not bother and consider me a speck not worth listening to. Up to you!

Where did I consider people specks not worth listening to? It occasionally happens but I would rather drag people up, or allow others reading a point to contemplate instead.

But if I must be FAST6191, explainer of jokes, ruiner of good humour, spoiler of speedreading (and the generally uninformed) flamebait... Thread has mostly run its course at this point I guess.

Did I make fun of the term? I thought I was contrasting the generally held slogan with the seeming stomping on its head and pissing on its corpse that mandates for something like this take the form of. I do have a long stated opinion on abortion in several threads around here if you really care -- far from the only aspect of the "debate" I generally consider a non one (it really is a handful of Americans, some Polish and some Irish that care) but an important one.

Did I ever say the vaccine, of which there are actually several with their own perks and downsides, is bad? Did I even say people should not get it? If you want to go further my opinions on vaccinations as a general concept do have a fairly long stated version on this site, probably in stark contrast with that you have imagined me as well if this little exchange is anything to go by.

Mandates are a breach of fundamental and unambiguous medical ethics from where I sit and have any number of parallels. Might be a nice one, one of many, at some levels to ponder the breaching of but is utopia ever achieved at the point of a gun? Even if it is then is this really a good call for such drastic action?