Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

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You misunderstood, I wouldn't want to live in a world of the conspiracy theorists being right. They aren't, so I'm fine. If I'm wrong, then my 5g magnets will activate in two years time and I'll mercifully be dead.

Either way, by being vaccinated I have the best outcome.

I'm certainly not going to live my life watching some idiot on banned.video telling me how "we've cracked the code".
 
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same goes for anyone who actually believes that they are getting the same vax as the ruling class

Why would they bother? It would increase the cost of developing the vaccines for no good reason.

They need staff and entire industries to manufacture things for them, it would be no good for them if they have nobody to rule.

It sounds like a paranoid delusion.

He got vaccinated quietly in January and didn't start advocating for vaccinations for his base until several months later, at which point he got booed and pivoted back to a wishy-washy stance.

Trump believes firmly, in whichever way the wind is blowing. He wants people to vote for him, he doesn't care what he says to make them want to vote for him.
 
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They aren't

If your life depends on conspiracy theorists being wrong, then you are in trouble. Conspiracies are afoot, but which theory is the most accurate?

Either way, by being vaccinated I have the best outcome.

Well, unless you can somehow factor out the free variable that you introduced into your system, I wouldn't know how to calculate the best outcome. Here's to hoping for a good one!
 

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If your life depends on conspiracy theorists being wrong, then you are in trouble. Conspiracies are afoot, but which theory is the most accurate?

If the conspiracy theorists are right, then whatever dark powerful force is trying to kill everyone will succeed.

It might give you a sense of power to puff up your chest and think you can beat it, but if the things they imagine are true then there isn't any point at all in trying to stand up to it.

I'm not going to live in fear of the things the conspiracy theorists say, because they have no proof. Once you have proof then it's no longer a conspiracy theory, it's a conspiracy. A conspiracy theory is when you believe that there is a conspiracy so secret that there is no evidence, just clues that can be seen by the delusional.

Well, unless you can somehow factor out the free variable that you introduced into your system, I wouldn't know how to calculate the best outcome. Here's to hoping for a good one!

They introduced a vaccine into my system which taught my immune system how to attack covid 19, that is it. Period.

Every food or drink you consume could have unknown effects in 10, 20, 30 years time. I try to avoid processed foods for health reasons, but I can't know if some pesticide that was used on the vegetables I eat will give me cancer. Same for the vaccine, maybe it's taken a year off all our lives or maybe it's done the opposite. Without proof, I can't form an opinion.

Worrying about it will drive me as crazy as the conspiracy theorists.
 

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If the conspiracy theorists are right, then whatever dark powerful force is trying to kill everyone will succeed.

It might give you a sense of power to puff up your chest and think you can beat it, but if the things they imagine are true then there isn't any point at all in trying to stand up to it.

Well now, the idea in being able to identify a threat is learning how to defend yourself against it. For every conspiracy theory, there is a countermeasure. It's a bit disingenuous to lump all conspiracy theorists into one categorization. Why not take it a step forward and lump all "theorists" together? Someone on this board might suggest that to being anti-science, if they were an authentic human being.

They introduced a vaccine into my system which taught my immune system how to attack covid 19, that is it. Period.

Yes. We've all been taking MRNA vaccines for how long now? We already know pesticides are bad, and their contribution to their health seem to be minimized by your statements in order to boast confidence in something that's even more specialized in telling the human body how to act.
 

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The social contract would fail under your logic. What would happen would be nobody would bother with rule of law. No drivers licenses or insurance. People would do whatever the hell they wanted when they wanted it. If your precious vaccine worked you wouldn't need to be bothered or worried by other people and what they do with their bodies.

What you should be asking is how come holistic and alternative treatments have been shunned. How come you can't sue the manufacturer if you get sick or die taking their crap. Or why they want to wait 55 years to tell us what's in it? Play russian roulette out of fear. My mother took a flu shot in 2019 and it gave her 2 strokes. No way in hell and I messing with this crap.
Woah buddy, don't break a leg with that mental parkour there. A vaccine mandate snowballing into insurances and driver's licenses no longer being a thing is a hell of a leap.

Also, the vaccine works, you don't understand a thing about the immune system and evolutionary systems in regards to viruses and bacteria. As a US person you can't sue the vaccine manufacturer because all claims like that go through the HSRA in the US, and have been for decades: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

Maybe try getting your information from a reputable source first before just regurgitating misinformation.
 
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Greece going in for daily fines for the over 60s without it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59474808?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

Now the temptation is to say "oh Greece" and to be fair over 60s have some of the lowest GDP as a group anyway so broke as you like Greece probably wants them to pay their way, however end result is still government force and not even in a manner that will likely bother the jet set class.
It confirms today´s Society "Attitude":
If you don not have the Money,to "alter" your Age/Appearance,you should not get old....
 

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He was the president at the time, of course he had all the best treatments and doctors available to him (and his family). Monoclonal antibody treatments speed the recovery of a lot of COVID-19 patients, but IIRC they're over $10,000 if you're uninsured. Besides, my symptoms also lasted only about three days when I got infected with COVID-19. It varies.
Aparently Trump had Covid for a lot longer than the public were ever told.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news...re-biden-debate-chief-staff-mark-meadows-book
 
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He was the president at the time, of course he had all the best treatments and doctors available to him (and his family). Monoclonal antibody treatments speed the recovery of a lot of COVID-19 patients, but IIRC they're over $10,000 if you're uninsured. Besides, my symptoms also lasted only about three days when I got infected with COVID-19. It varies.
may be true about it not lasting and being bad for some people, but I still think it's bullshit

nothing but part of a viral ( no pun intended) marketing campaign for

remdesivir, regeneron, and what ever else he claims to have been given
 

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Why would they bother? It would increase the cost of developing the vaccines for no good reason.

They need staff and entire industries to manufacture things for them, it would be no good for them if they have nobody to rule.

It sounds like a paranoid delusion.



Trump believes firmly, in whichever way the wind is blowing. He wants people to vote for him, he doesn't care what he says to make them want to vote for him.
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Why would they bother? It would increase the cost of developing the vaccines for no good reason.

They need staff and entire industries to manufacture things for them, it would be no good for them if they have nobody to rule.

It sounds like a paranoid delusion."



did you look at the Time article I posted

why wouldn't the same exact logic apply there then?

they did it in Germany in 2009 for H1N1 so what makes you think that it is not SOP by now

I am sure it wasn't the fist time nor the last time


the politicians ,police, military, and other civil servants were given the different safe vaccine instead of the crap they gave the general public and they got caught and people were pissed

but that is just the one time they were caught not the only time it has happened you can be sure of that
 
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they did it in Germany in 2009 for H1N1 so what makes you think that it is not SOP by now
No, what happened in 2009 was like giving some people pfizer and some people moderna. There wasn't a special vaccine developed for the ruling class, given to them early and then one developed for the rest that was given later.

Mistakes were made, but that doesn't predict that mistakes will be made again.

Yes. We've all been taking MRNA vaccines for how long now?
First trials were in 2015. All vaccines, medicines, food, etc were new once.

Novavax isn't an mRNA but contains an adjuvant, like the controversial vaccine pandemreix.

The J&J & oxford vaccine aren't mRNA, but are not as effective. Oxford is linked to clots in young people.

We're kinda hitting the limit of what is possible for us to achieve, a pandemic isn't something we can just wish away.
 
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Yes. We've all been taking MRNA vaccines for how long now?
The Experts are still "unsure"....😂

Maybe depending on the maybe upcoming 472 Virus Variants in the next Years,maybe...only One....
.......maybe every Month....maybe for the Rest of our Lifes...maybe.....it is good,they say......
 

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If you trust the United States government to give a shit about you, I highly recommend you read Medical Apartheid by Dr. Harriet Washington, who was fired as head of John Hopkins for putting this book out. Also do yourself a solid and research the Tuskeegee Experiment.

The United states government is NEVER to be trusted. As long as they can manipulate fear into the population thru "isms" (racism, sexism, etc) fear will rule the roost and the greater majority will commit societal suicide to get their point of political views across than listen and compromise with dissenting opinions.

The US just loves the smell of bickering in the morning.

Although I live in America I'm not American, and I have access to media and newspaper from European countries as well.
And yes there are significant differences in tone (US media are entirely about emotions and commentary, never about providing the facts "as is" so people can build their own opinion, and I can't think of a single media that regularly sets up the stage for constructive debates between politicians -outside of the president debates-... I digress!), and sometimes delays in information, but generally the core of it matches.

I also refuse to deal in absolutes. I think it's disingenuous to claim that because a government committed atrocities in the past (what country hasn't...) means they are automatically still on with it. We should never blindly believe everything that we're being told, but that doesn't mean reject everything either. The same is true not just for government sources (that's for people who get their news from youtube/twitter lol).
A sane government gets its core information from a council of experts. Now whether it decides to act on it or not is a political matter. At least since Biden I haven't seen significant departures in the US communication versus Europe.

Also as an example doctors/professors aren't always "right" either:
A famous professor Trump based his whole speech about hydroxychloroquine is french professor Didier Raoult and recently appeared before a disciplinary panel for breaking the rules of ethics and making unproven claims. The french government repeated for months that his claims were not substantiated, almost 2 years they're still proven right.
 

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Remember when there were people were Rebelling against the Polio, Rubella, Chicken Pox, Malaria, Hep C, and about 10 other Vaccines... funny.. I don't...
I do. It’s been a major topic of discussion for the last 20 years, for a variety of reasons - the idea that they cause autism, the misconception regarding mercury content (some contain thimerosal as an anti-fungal agent and preservative, which is an organic compound of mercury, but it *obviously* doesn’t have the toxic properties of metallic mercury, d’uh), aluminium content (see earlier point) and a zillion other silly misconceptions. Jim Carrey’s “Green our Vaccines” march comes to mind. It was actually a really popular movement among the Hollywood super stars, and among rich soccer moms who got the silly idea that pox and measles parties are totally a better way to gain immunity.
 
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Defending yourself from an imaginary threat is either a waste of time, or a danger to yourself and others.
I think that's pretty obvious. I don't think a single person here would generally disagree with that. "Wasting time" is kind a relative statement though.
 
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