Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

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Its not about vacines, its about mandatory part, and stripping freedom of choice is what this means.

thats not a good thing.

Go ahead and vacinate yourself, protect yourself. thats all you need to do and not force oters and call them names and vurtue signaling.

your attitude is evethig wrong with world today.

thats all am gonna say about this topic.
People who participate in civilized society have certain responsibilities. I can't walk around wherever I want naked, for example. If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine (albeit stupid). Your body, your choice. But that doesn't mean you should have the privilege of being able to interact with the rest of us while unvaccinated. If you're going to wall yourself off from the rest of society (please do), then feel free to not get vaccinated. Similarly, I'll continue to walk around my house naked.

Mandating vaccines works, there's precedent for it, it's legally justified, and it's morally justified. What happened that caused people to be so selfish and anti-responsibility?
 
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Killing murderers and rapists is totally the same as killing an unborn child.

The hypocrisy!!!
They aren't the same. Killing criminals is worse. The criminals are human beings who are killed for no good reason, and many of those human beings are later exonerated.

Also, abortion isn't murder; it's the termination of a pregnancy, and the fetus just so happens to be unable to survive outside the womb. Also, an embryo/fetus is not a child.
 
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They aren't the same. Killing criminals is worse. The criminals are human beings who are killed for no good reason, and many of those human beings are later exonerated.

Also, abortion isn't murder; it's the termination of a pregnancy, and the fetus just so happens to be unable to survive outside the womb. Also, an embryo/fetus is not a child.
"many"
lol

"an embryo/fetus is not a child."
yes it is.
 

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"many"
lol

"an embryo/fetus is not a child."
yes it is.
For every ten people who have been executed since the 1970s, one person has been set free.

An embryo is a clump of unspecialized cells and isn't a child by any objective measure. A fetus isn't a child either. Even if an embryo or fetus were a child, it wouldn't change anything about a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
 
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For every ten people who have been executed since the 1970s, one person has been set free.

An embryo is a clump of unspecialized cells and isn't a child by any objective measure. A fetus isn't a child either. Even if an embryo or fetus were a child, it wouldn't change anything about a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
If I run up to a pregnant woman and kick her in the stomach and she loses the """""embryo"""""".

Did I just kill a child or not?
 

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If I run up to a pregnant woman and kick her in the stomach and she loses the """""embryo"""""".

Did I just kill a child or not?
That depends on how far along in the pregnancy she is. Regardless, it's immoral and illegal to terminate a pregnancy against someone's will.
 

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Its not about vacines, its about mandatory part, and stripping freedom of choice is what this means.

thats not a good thing.

Go ahead and vacinate yourself, protect yourself. thats all you need to do and not force oters and call them names and vurtue signaling.

your attitude is evethig wrong with world today.

thats all am gonna say about this topic.
Ah yes, it's that same old "but, but, MUH FREEDUMBS!!!" rhetoric. That's getting old. :rolleyes:
 
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Of course it’s not. I don’t have anything against those people, I do have a lot against paying for a service I don’t and never will use.
So selfishness instead? Doesn't sound much better.

They haven’t wronged me in any way, there’s no spite involved, I just dislike the concept on principle. I do not wish to be burdened with other people’s expenditure - I have my own insurance, thank you.
They haven't even wronged you, yet you go as far as wanting their healthcare sabotaged for the sake of it.

A free market setup, as in an actually free market setup, would drive prices down anyway, so I’m doing everyone a favour.
You have no proof that this isn't nothing, but idealism. Show me a system that has no government involvement and is completely free market, yet still covers everyone. Let alone worth the risk for dropping a program that already covers everyone, for it.
 

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So selfishness instead? Doesn't sound much better.


They haven't even wronged you, yet you go as far as wanting their healthcare sabotaged for the sake of it.


You have no proof that this isn't nothing, but idealism. Show me a system that has no government involvement and is completely free market, yet still covers everyone. Let alone worth the risk for dropping a program that already covers everyone, for it.
Do you often pay for Xbox Live when you only use a Nintendo device? C’mon, man - there are Xbox gamers out there who could use a better, more stable service, and that takes money. You should give your money to Microsoft, even though you will never, ever use Xbox Live.

I’m not “sabotaging” anything, their healthcare is not my burden. It was never my burden - we’re not family, we’re strangers. Defending, or attempting to regain what is rightfully mine isn’t sabotage - it’s justice. If anything, I’m the one getting sabotaged here since I was brazen enough to have taxable income. How rude of me, better slice it up.

No proof except basic principles that have governed trade since the dawn of civilisation, even before we came up with the name “capitalism”. Supply and demand are non-negotiable. It’s economics 101, and healthcare isn’t a magical industry that is somehow exempt from the same rules that affect every other industry in the planet.

For the record, I am not opposed to an extremely basic public sector for the purposes of providing critical care to the homeless, unemployed or otherwise insolvent citizens, and this service should be subsidised by paying customers in the exact same way other city services work. The city won’t turn off your heating in the dead of winter - that creates a very real possibility that you will freeze to death. What I *am* opposed to is universal healthcare, as in a single payer, single provider system which is inherently unfair to those who do not use the service. If I don’t use a service, I shouldn’t have to pay for it. I’m perfectly happy to pay at the till if I was stupid enough not to purchase health insurance (which I did purchase, as a side note - it’s prudent). Other people’s poor life choices are not my problem, I’m not their dad.

I’m sorry that you feel entitled to my money for some undisclosed reason, but you’re not. Pay for your own shit.
 
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An embryo isn't a child. It doesn't even have a brain.

The termination of a pregnancy isn't the killing of a child. It fact, it's sometimes birth.
No dude, I can't listen that bastard terminology.
It's a murder, the worst one, and that's how it should be called by science!
 
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No dude, I can't listen that bastard terminology.
It's a murder, the worst one, and that's how it should be called by science!
You're telling me that if a mother terminates a pregnancy 9.5 months into gestation (i.e. She gives birth), that's murder?
 
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I only can give you this German Article from February 2020.

The Information about this on our ORF.at Site is unfortunately "gone"....as many other Articles about Covid....

https://www.dw.com/de/coronavirus-wie-wirksam-sind-die-impfstoffe-aus-china/a-56361390
(Please use Google or whatever,I have enough of Language Barriers and Missunderstandings...)

....as you see,long before Pfizer and Company.
The article says it's from 2nd January 2021. There were no vaccines anywhere in February 2020.
  • Date 02/01/2021
  • Author Fabian Schmidt

It seems china were 8 days after pfizer and company, not long before..

Vero is so far the only Chinese vaccine for which the manufacturer has published official data. On December 29, 2020, Sinopharm reported an effectiveness of 79 percent in an interim evaluation. A day later, the vaccine was approved in China.


Comirnaty is now authorised across the EU. This follows the granting of a conditional marketing authorisation by the European Commission on 21 December 2020.
 

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Do you often pay for Xbox Live when you only use a Nintendo device? C’mon, man - there are Xbox gamers out there who could use a better, more stable service, and that takes money. You should give your money to Microsoft, even though you will never, ever use Xbox Live.
I wasn't aware that I had to remind you that we are talking about people's livelihood. My mistake.

I’m not “sabotaging” anything, their healthcare is not my burden. It was never my burden - we’re not family, we’re strangers. Defending, or attempting to regain what is rightfully mine isn’t sabotage - it’s justice. If anything, I’m the one getting sabotaged here since I was brazen enough to have taxable income. How rude of me, better slice it up.
You want to intentionally bankrupt the system that covers everyone, so yes, sabotage. Other words, "Taking away people's healthcare is justice."

No proof except basic principles that have governed trade since the dawn of civilisation, even before we came up with the name “capitalism”. Supply and demand are non-negotiable. It’s economics 101, and healthcare isn’t a magical industry that is somehow exempt from the same rules that affect every other industry in the planet.
Then it should be easy to show me this cheap completely free market system, that covers everyone.

For the record, I am not opposed to an extremely basic public sector for the purposes of providing critical care to the homeless, unemployed or otherwise insolvent citizens, and this service should be subsidised by paying customers in the exact same way other city services work.
How is this any different than a healthcare system that covers everyone, even the insolvent citizens? Your logic dictates that they shouldn't be paying for homeless services, because they don't use them.

What I *am* opposed to is universal healthcare, as in a single payer, single provider system which is inherently unfair to those who do not use the service. If I don’t use a service, I shouldn’t have to pay for it. I’m perfectly happy to pay at the till if I was stupid enough not to purchase health insurance (which I did purchase, as a side note - it’s prudent). Other people’s poor life choices are not my problem, I’m not their dad.
It is inherently unfair for people that need healthcare, but can't afford it, especially since we have a way to cover everyone.

I never had my stuff burned down, therefor, I want the firefighter service shutdown. If the poor can't afford the ever increasing prices of private firefighters, too bad.

I’m sorry that you feel entitled to my money for some undisclosed reason, but you’re not. Pay for your own shit.
I'm sorry that there are people that keep claiming to care about other people and yet keep proving otherwise.
 
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I wasn't aware that I had to remind you that we are talking about people's livelihood. My mistake.


You want to intentionally bankrupt the system that covers everyone, so yes, sabotage. Other words, "Taking away people's healthcare is justice."


Then it should be easy to show me this cheap completely free market system, that covers everyone.


How is this any different than a healthcare system that covers everyone, even the insolvent citizens? Your logic dictates that they shouldn't be paying for homeless services, because they don't use them.


It is inherently unfair for people that need healthcare, but can't afford it, especially since we have a way to cover everyone.

I never had my stuff burned down, therefor, I want the firefighter service shutdown. If the poor can't afford the ever increasing prices of private firefighters, too bad.


I'm sorry that there are people that keep claiming to care about other people and yet keep proving otherwise.
What other things constitute people’s livelihood? How about food? Shelter? Water? Electricity? What else am I expected to pay for, you can’t live without those either, effectively. Not that it matters, it’s not even an argument, I’m not responsible for strangers. The point flew over your head anyway.

I would love to see the NHS dismantled - it’s a monopoly on UK healthcare. Much like other monopolies, it could benefit from being splintered into (ideally) privately ran institutions rather than stay one inefficient government monster. The quickest way to do that is to make sure it runs out of money, which it’s doing anyway without the government doing anything. It doesn’t matter *what* they do, if the NHS was concerned with patching roads instead of healthcare I’d want to see it broken up all the same, the government has no business doing either.

I’m not ‘taking away people’s healthcare”, healthcare exists regardless of whether the NHS exists or not, I’m simply taking back my money, which is indeed justice. The sole reason why I make the homeless and insolvent exception is because *they’re insolvent* and ideally we shouldn’t have dead people littering the streets. People who do make income should purchase their own healthcare as opposed to getting dragged into a system they may or may not use on their own dime, as enforced by the government.

Switzerland’s healthcare system is completely private and covers everyone, so you’re right, it is quite easy to provide an example, and a good one considering Swiss healthcare is some of the best in the world. Even that system is a little too intrusive since insurance is compulsory - universality is not a goal I’m particularly interested in, “covering everyone” isn’t and shouldn’t be a must.

You are not entitled to other people’s money or labour, it is inherently unfair that you expect strangers to fund the lives of other strangers under the threat of force. Your sense of fairness is crooked because you’re uncomfortable with the concepts of death and disease - I’m not.

Firefighting started off as an entirely private venture, and it was profitable. Bad example, you don’t know history.

I care about other people, that’s why I want the government to stop stealing their money for superfluous, inefficient and poorly conceived nonsense.

As a side note, I know what you’re doing, because all of you guys do the same thing. You want to push for government control over the entire sector under the guise of benevolence, and you paint whoever opposes that as someone who lacks empathy. It’s not that the idea is poor and amoral, the problem is that the other person is just evil. It’s pretty transparent, and it’s not going to work on me. I believe that there are other, better ways of doing this that don’t involve massive government overreach and taxing people out the ass - plenty of countries around the world figured it out. I’m okay playing the role of a villain though - I don’t really care what you think of me, attacking my character isn’t going to sway me. I’ve heard worse things about myself than “uncaring”, try harder.
 
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They aren't the same. Killing criminals is worse. The criminals are human beings who are killed for no good reason, and many of those human beings are later exonerated.

Also, abortion isn't murder; it's the termination of a pregnancy, and the fetus just so happens to be unable to survive outside the womb. Also, an embryo/fetus is not a child.
Abortion isnt murder. Shit im goin to go out and shoot 50 people then claim its just post-abortion so it isnt murder. Bet that will go over real well in court. Sarcasm intended. Again my body my choice only matters when its your liberal ass in line at the clinic.

One of those aborted children 20 years ago could of grew up and cured cancer, maybe changed the whole world. But someone with your mindset decided to get out the vac and throw away the trash. Abortions should come with mandatory (and perminant) removal of ovaries and testicals of both parties.
 
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