1. AkiraKurusu

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    ...I actually like how Anakin's ghost was changed in Return of the Jedi; that's how he appeared back before he was lied to and manipulated by Palpatine, back when he was a Jedi. It makes sense to use Christensen's appearance instead of the previous old guy.
    Also, the appearance of many other planets (e.g. Naboo, Coruscant) celebrating when the second Death Star's blown up and the Empire's destroyed truly makes it feel like the entire galaxy was happy and free, instead of just a small bunch of rebels on a forest planet.
    Oh, and the changes to the Cloud City. Makes it feel less cramped and constantly-indoors, what with how they added windows and the like everywhere. Like it's an actual "Cloud" City.

    So some edits are justified. Some.
     
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    I want to be excited for this, but I beat Persona 5 and have no desire to play through the entire game again from the beginning just to get to 15-20% new stuff. Did they say you have to start from the beginning?
     
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    My problem with those scenes is that the game tries to sell harassment attempts as gags and those are mostly based on the "flamboyant gayness" of those NPCs. The choice of Joker to leave Ryuji with the men is cruel - I haven't played the game until that point but if it's well designed, it should show some consequences like Ryuji skipping a dungeon or changing his attitude to Joker. The reactions of the main chars are also strange - why don't they oppose more strongly, threaten to call the police or ask for help? I know these are very abstract situations but I'm curious how would a typical Japanese react.

    Depending on what exactly the localization changes, it might get better or worse - I am against the censorship in TMS#FE for instance. Also strongly against harassing translators/localization teams what happened recently to DDSTranslations for translating "newhalf" accurately in Goemon 3.

    I know the usual conventions for portraying gay/queer/flamboyant characters in Anime and games - it's a bit sad we get almost no characters where gayness/queerness is just a part of the characterization and not just a device for gags or a lazy cliche.
     
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    I can't believe Atlus is removing the best part of the game! I preordered this game expecting high octane sexual harassment action, but they've removed it! How dare they listen to SJWs asking for the most creative and interesting parts of the game removed! The game is ruined!
     
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    There's zero evidence to support this, and in fact I can probably find more evidence to the contrary. Nike and Disney are just two examples of companies which faced boycotts from hateful groups and then saw a marked increase in profits anyway.

    Nine times out of ten, the right choice for a business is to avoid being exclusionary. Otherwise we'd still have "no Irish allowed" posted in store windows in order to attract bigots. It's an extremely niche group of people who are hateful enough to buy a product just because it offended the "right" people. Or boycott that same product because it was revised to no longer be offensive.

    I meant "error" in the general sense rather than in terms of coding. Could be as simple as an oversight, or a change that should've been made out of respect for cultural differences, as is the case here.

    A fine example of the creator trashing their own creation. Unfortunately that is their right, but the good news is that the originals still exist in abundance, as is also the case with the "uncensored" version of Persona 5. Additionally, the majority of games are improved by patches and DLC, not harmed by them.
     
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    You sure? I've tried to find the original unedited theatrical release and haven't been able to. As far as I know it doesn't exist, though I found a fan edited project that tries to reproduce it from memory of those that saw it in theaters.
     
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    Oh, yeah I guess I'm not sure with Star Wars in particular. Much easier to preserve media now than it was when that first released, obviously.
     
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    There were multiple different cuts which made it to theaters, which is why different people remember it differently.
     
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    ...That's because Lucasfilm never really allowed the theatrical release to be archived anywhere. Heck, they even refused to give the organisation tasked with preserving American classics a copy of the theatrical release, and later tried to give them one of the later edited versions.
     
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    as a gay, for some reason, the scene doesn't bother me, its awkward and forced as hell but i wish they wouldn't censor a game just because resetera bitched about it

    edit: i just rather have a game that stays true to the original developer's vision because you then you end up with something called persona 1. also like how atlus is prioritizing this altering this scene over stocking up on p5r, they cancelled my preorder on amazon.
     
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    who could possibly find that scene offensive?
     
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    Song Of The South, at least the VHS release, is only racist because the old guy telling the stories is African American and works for a white guy. Edit: The movie is set AFTER the Civil War so he is not a slave.

    Had it been about a black man telling the stories to his two black sons the movie wouldn't be considered racist. But doing the movie that way would have been impossible back then.

    Edit: Yes the tar baby is a tad racist by current standars, but the tar baby is based on African folklore.
     
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    So my hot take is.that this game isn't exactly a masterpiece story-wise, so I don't think anyone should be too upset by their failure to maintain the sanctity of... uhh.. whatever.

    My actual opinion is that the last time I played this game was the Japanese version when it first released, and I only remember the street scene (not the beach scene), and was barely paying attention (much like most of the pointless interlude dialogue), but picked up on the homophobia despite being like mid-to-low skill in reading Japanese and was like, "Real
    y? It's freakin 2016.. ."
     
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    This is Atlus USA we're talking here, bunch of pc pc triggered pussies taking judgements out of their filthy asses.
     
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    Any idea why the Persona series is overwhelmingly released on Sony platforms? Would like to see some of them on Switch too.
     
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    Does this honestly change anything about the story ofher than make some of the characters look less like an ahole? Do these edits better reflect rhe characters or are they important pieces to understanding them? I thought it was just a bad-taste joke which benefits the game to be removed?

    Last unedited version was the...2004(?) Dvd releases. I have them somewhere. Laserdisc and vhs before that (i only have 1 of the laserdisc :( ). But nothing HD, only SD. I'm not sure of the different edits prior to this, but it's the last before those cg revisionist versions.

    But the fan edits do a good job of making the HD content as close to the theatericals as possible. It's what I show folks.

    Expect disney to release them in 4k/8k at some point(that kind of film can go up to 16k i think), depending on what agreements were made when they got the rights.
     
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    What's the reference?

    I watched some of Scott's videos, but the blue border and his attempt at being funny just made me avoid watching his videos altogether.

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    That's the issue nowadays. They complain about something miniscule and then they'll start demanding more changes.

    Most of the time those who complain aren't even going to buy the game.
     
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    Everybody's so sensitive nowadays and folks always try to find a way to be offended a/b something so now big corps make decisions as if they're walking on egg shells while bowing to pressure in this so-called PC culture in today's society, afraid of getting "canceled" and so the artist's vision suffers because end-product gets modified to the point contrary to how it was originally intended to be enjoyed due to "politics".
     
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    2004 is definitely the edited version. The specialized version came out in 1997.


    It is. There is a 4k scan of the original copy of the 35mm film, called project 4k77 by team negative 1. Not the negatives but its the best we got.
     
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    I think most of you guys are looking at this change from the wrong angle.

    Being a gay guy myself I can tell you what if wrong in here: showing gay people like this. I know that everyone knows not every gay looks and behaves like this but somehow, magically, almost every character that appears in movies or video games is portrayed like this. And believe me - most people get and remember exactly that image afterwards and it's extremely difficult to convince them otherwise. I guess it's worth adding that for exactly the same reason I am a big opposer of pride parades - the same thing. And believe me, most of gay people I know are actually against them as well.

    So I think the word 'offensive' or 'offended' that was used in the article and is quoted by you guys is a bit too strong - it's all just about not showing this stereotypical image as it really could be harmful.

    Cheers :)
     
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