"Asocial media" and collective self images

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  1. Song of storms

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    I hate all social media. Bring back forums for everyone!
     
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    Facebooks internal decision model during the trust crisis followed the "predatory wall street company" template (delay, deny, deflect...), 40 whistleblowers currently tell the NYT.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

    What an astonishing surprise.

    Its about time John Oliver also makes a show about Facebooks domestic policies. :) :/

    Millennials still huge fans of the instagram though. They very smart. Also love to buy products advertised.
     
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    Zuckyboy reacts.
    Drums up a company meeting. Tells employees - 40 whistleblowers aside - media just unfair, and printing fake news.

    src: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/technology/facebook-mark-zuckerberg.html

    Huh.

    But allowing alt right to create the "fake news" trope on Facebook was a mistake, right? Facebook?

    Lets see what Yuval Noah Harari, current California Tech szene technology philosopher darling says to this form of reality management:

    Ah -

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/business/yuval-noah-harari-silicon-valley.html

    Essentially, message control is the future - no one needs media. Come work for a megacorp. They are good people.

    Ehm...

    Lets have this conversation again after most of you have played CDPRs Cyberpunk.. ;)

    Also, that last instagram posting of yours - wonderful. I mean, that jacket is -heaven- I'll bet it will go viral. Cant do that in the New York Times.
     
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    For anyone interested in the actual proceedings of the companies internal messaging video sessions - after the NYT article hit:

    Its the usual stuff.

    Ah, Mr. loves his roman emperor Augustus knows a thing about morals, and is not afraid to tell you all about it. ;)

    src: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/technology/facebook-mark-zuckerberg.html

    So the typical millennial not only is fine with a world without independent media, he is also fine with a world without leakers. And he will make sure of it, because he will deplattform them by calling them amoral (probably toxic, thats more a word he is familiar with) - just as the company said. Then he will visit the company store and get todays news from it.

    Then he will clap, when someone tells him to do just that, because thats exactly what just happened at Facebook (the Instagram company).

    The greatest generation.
     
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  5. Gimzie

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    You seem to have a large obsession over millennials, man.

    No community is going to be perfect, and especially not one of this size. You can't change every single person in the world for the better; which means you'd be much better off just accepting this as it is.
     
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    Dont worry - I just use the term as bait for people to care about social issues.

    For the probably 10th time, I'm a millennial myself. :)

    It works, because no one wants to identify with the public image this generation has. Wonder how you could change that... ;)

    (By not falling for easy emotional bait, and actually reading the content/context of a story as well - would be a start. Then you could continue by actually forming an opinion, that doesnt have to be mine, but that isnt just "kill the messenger, he made me feel/look bad". ;)

    God I would be so loved in here, If I'd hand out coupons for free Gucci bags, for people to take instagram selfies with to share with their friends, but sadly - I'm all out of coupons. ;) )
     
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    There is an addendum to that. :)

    People still line up for free service treatments in here every day. If you act PC - they leave an entirely meaningless like in return. Means nothing. I have several hundred thousands in my lifetime - just from helping people out. (Different from posting a puppy video and getting the exact same in about three minutes.. ;) Also tells you something about the worth of a like. (like inflation ;) ))

    For them the transaction is over at that point. They dont care to give something back. Much in the same vane, as they dont care - if a company like facebook just told their employees in televised telescreenings, that the New York Times, just prints fake news, and they should continue to work hard - as the news cycle will eventually shift. And their families wont ask them those hard questions anymore.

    (There is a big logic gap I jumped, but bare with me if you like - because at this point the story becomes personal.)

    In their mind, there is a certain kind of people out there, who just loves to give them free and personal basic tech advice in their sparetime, and which they shout at - if they dont do it with a smile on their face.

    This comes from them growing up in ad financed online models, where people act as they do in normal (capitalist) economies. "Customer is king" - works in tid for tad models (give cash, get service).

    But then you took away their function as customers. You made them the merchandise, by collecting personal data, and showing them ads in return. And because they had nothing to do in any exchange - you gave them a like function, so they could click on something - and think, that from that point, things would just work out. (Clicktivism, but even more low effort.. ;) )

    But those likes simply fuel empty attention economies, where all I could get for them is a .jpg of a "medal of participation", and the odd dopamine fix from feeling that I helped an old lady over the street today.

    In economies like that you cant optimize for "customer is king" because the economical thing thats driving growth - is essentially decoupled from the product they are producing.

    The product gets produced as voluntary, self organized work by a handful of idealists, who cant stand it, if people trade along misinformation. Especially long term.

    So for example you can try to make them think about that the "ad financed (optimizes for visits, promises you free, personalized, and friendly support) - keep the site running", and the "producing individual support services - most people are in here for" models arent coupled in any way. The people with the ad money - just give the space.

    So if you post request like "Has this program an update function already, I was on Discord a few months ago, and they said - it would probably get it in the future" - as their own "items", content bubbles for people to address. And you do that - collectively - in the thousands. You actually take away the opportunity for a platform to exist where people could learn (search as a paradigm, by the tech industry has been replaced by "personal assistance") stuff - and make it a place for volunteers to become very cynical indeed.

    Also, not something made up, but a real example from the switch emulation subforum about an hour ago.

    Think about it as opportunity space. ;) Every low effort "support me" post, is 1/100 of the decision of someone somewhat intelligent to leave. ;)


    I know tldr; ...

    Short version is - pay for your news outlets, thats more important than this silly argument here. ;) You expecting everything to be run by ad economies, has produced 100.000 professional youtubers and nothing else. Or Twitch streamers, if you prefer them to work for amazon and not google.
     
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    Rob Feris on 'The rise of fake news'.


    The essential quote I'm after for the purpose of this thread is: "[...] being honest and accurate apparently didn't play an essential part in popularity on social media." Which is a small understatement. ;)

    He also pronounces the theory, that more people are trying out new stuff, to see what works in the new arena.
     
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    This community still thinks the "worst" generation are the millennials, heh, that's funny in itself.

    @smileyhead amen to that.
     
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    To clarify, in public, they are not. (Damn, that smarts... ;) ) From my perspective. Also, because if you start to believe in labels for entire generations, you are doing something wrong. :) (Asked about self images. ;) )
     
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    Since no one else jumped in with the (cultural) positivist side of current social media - let me now take some time, and helm this position as well. :)

    Best illustration of the concept I came across is the following video:
    https://alpbach.apa-ots-video.at/video/5333013067a14a6eb3013067a17a6ef3

    You have to click through, it isnt on youtube. :)

    The position helmed by the futurist philosopher in there is roughly the following.

    We all have to overcome the "social imprint" of only having 200 followers similar to us (tribal) and have to instead basically teach people how they can get 5000 followers instead (social nodes). Then everyone is a social node, and can be happy - potentially even become an entrepreneur by selling products to people.

    The other side of the spectrum is seen as a majority of people stuck in consumerism as well - btw who identify through "products". And trolls who rank even lower. ;)

    So thats instagram and facebook currently. With -let everyone strive to become an influencer- attached to it. :)

    It also acknowledges that people are self censoring as a result and that you are optimizing towards popularity - but, then thats argued to be a social norm anyways.
     
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    And here is the animated/racy speech (much in the same manner as the millennial rant up front - but coming from the opposite end :) ) laying out, why people not optimizing for a "PC" public culture are now deserving of help:



    According to his wikipedia entry (/an entry on speakersnet:) ):
    Bard has given public lectures since 1997, including three TEDx presentations (as of 2013), with a major focus on the social implications of the Internet revolution and has become one of the leading speakers on the international management theory lecturing circuit.[4]
     
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    What happens, when facebook "combats sensationalism, misinformation, and political polarization, by emphasizing local networks over publisher pages"?

    Well - according to buzzfeed of all sources - this:
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    Moneyquote:
    src: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/france-paris-yellow-jackets-facebook

    Now this is the first time I might call into question if this was actually fbs (the instagram company) "fault", but its an entertaining read nevertheless. :)

    Ah - the new social graphs driven world is all here to benefit us all. And then france burned... ;) This has a poetic quality to it. :)

    (Is that a HDR picture, btw? ;) )
    No further questions, your honor. ;)
     
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