Are we being f**ked?

[[M]artin]

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[Dack]

The summary is too long, can someone summarize the summary?

The Rand Corporation, in conjuction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner!

 

[corbs132]

Great Scott Dack! That's horrible!

 

[Darkforce]

Just finished watching it. It's a shame that in only a few hours the possibility of having an intelligent conversation in this thread has long since passed...

 

[jimmy j]

Just finished watching it. It's a shame that in only a few hours the possibility of having an intelligent conversation in this thread has long since passed...

Awwww. I'm insulted

What are your thoughts, Darkforce? Maybe you can get the thread back on track before mthrnite finishes watching the vid and posts (I'm waiting mthrnite).

 

[becker2384]

Conspiricy thoerists of the world unite! Serious shit, I' surprised he didn't hint about the rigged elections to put Bush in power

 

[Artheido]

(I read the summary) The 9/11 part seems believable IMO. Loose Change goes into it with more depth though. The evidence they put out are undeniable to me.

 

[Veho]

Any conspiracy theory regarding 9/11 hinges on two things:

a) denying terrorists the knowledge, motivation, drive, and ability to pull off anything more complicated than strapping a few pounds of dinamite to themselves and blowing themselves up (a prejudice not hard to believe by us "superior" westerners),

and

b) (and this one is the real leap of faith); believing the Bush administration (in every other aspect unable to find their ass with both hands) actually to be able to pull off a scam of that magnitude.

 

[mthrnite]

Alright jimmy j, didn't wanna leave you hanging forever. I confess I only watched the "Jesus" part so far, but I'll comment just a bit on what I've seen. I enjoyed it once it got into the substance part, seems like it took forever to get there, edits please!

I heard him put forth a lot of suppositions as fact, and that turned me off.. a bit too much "and the reason for this is" for my liking. When it's all boiled down, he's doing what all the conspiracy guys do, cherry pick from disparate sources and ignore anything they need to ignore so their premise isn't occluded. There are facts within it, some of them pretty old news, but then the writer's embellishments glue it all into a big, half true "truth".

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy this kinda stuff, and I like to look at UFO magazines too, but I take them both with a grain of salt. I'll watch the rest when time isn't so scarce for me, and comment on the 911 stuff probably, even though I've got a pretty solid pre-concieved notion about it (see veho's point b above.)

 

[Smuff]

You know what really got my attention? When they showed a picture of a planecrash in Nigeria and compared it to the flight 93 crashsite.

I'm not saying conspiracy here, I just think it throws up some interesting questions...

Ummm..... what the fuck is the connection ? Don't tell me Waldo is hiding in both pictures ? Or were they both in fact shot down by HRH Prine Phillip who is one of the chief reptilian illuminati type people with his missus, Beth ?
Are you David Icke in disguise ?

The fact of the matter is that America is one huge conspiracy........ on the part of God..... who wanted to keep the rest of the world entertained

 

[.TakaM]

like mthr said, take it with a grain of salt.

for videos like this, they usually get treated to only two extreme views, those that blindly agree, and those that blindly deny.

you can forge whatever reasons you want in order to deny or agree, be it singing the same old conspiracy theory nut song, or to help justify your hatred for the government etc.

Like I said, I think the important thing is to keep an open mind and make the distinction between interesting, and things that could be interesting.


like is it interesting that the flag was waving on the moon? or was it just interesting that it could have been fake?


edit-
ps. brief cameo by the psp made me laugh

 

[El-ahrairah]

Holy crap, OP isn't iTech??

But really, it seems interesting enough, if only they can cut the beginning down a bit.

 

[Legend]

Ehh... conspiracy theories are boring.
Scuba Diving without any Scuba gear... now THAT'S interesting. I highly recommend that anyone who is wasting their time watching the video, and those of you that actually BELIEVE it - try Scuba diving minus the scuba gear.
Or, you could douse yourselves in gasoline and play "Does it burn?".
Or, you could go and play Car Tag on the freeway - I hear it's a fun game.
Or, you could skydive without a parachute, that's a REAL blast.
Or, you could drink antifreeze. I hear that you need to have your stomach pumped afterwards, but dammit, what a hoot!
Or, you could stick pointy objects into your eyes, just to see if your eyeballs REALLY do bleed. Be sure to poke both, really hard, at the exact same time - so you can see whether or not they're bleeding.
Or, you could play "Lobotomies R Us". All you need is an old coathanger, and you're good to go! Stick that lil' doohickey up your nose, and pretend you're scrambling eggs.
Or, you could crush up some glass and eat it.
Or, you could try to consume every pill, in EVERY bottle that's in your "medicine cabinet", all at the same time. Just mash 'em up, and mix them into your favorite brand of tomato soup.
Or, you could stick the barrel of your favorite firearm into ANY oriface of your body (make sure it's loaded!), and pull the trigger! I hear that one's a real doosey!

Any of the said "games" that you can play will be FAR more fun and interesting than watching that video. Just try them, I GUARANTEE it'll be fun!





Ok, in all seriousness - conspiracy theories are interesting, sure. But they're all coming from a BIASED point of view. You're much better off forming your own opinion, than reading & believing everything you see on t3h int4rw3bs.

 

[amptor]

some theories I have:

Fort Knox.. you can look up how much gold our federal reserve has, on the internet..but would it really be a good idea for the US gov't to let the public know how much gold is really in there? that is classified.

Oil prices, price gouging etc.. well I think and have seen from everything around me that the price goes up and down and it varies in order to benefit certain companies to gain more profits and has little to nothing at all to do with world turmoil. I don't think that the news media is paid off by the oil companies, but a lot of networks have gasoline commercials that pretty much takes care of that stuff.

also this goes on to discussing strougles that we have.. no matter how much we struggle or don't struggle guess what, people in power generally don't mind because it does not affect them and they get richer.

on the flipped side, there are new regulations in government put strictly in place and they are watched to make sure that they don't illegally gain funds from the country. of course, there has to be some holes in that too because there are a lot of thieves in this world.

as far as things go with people in businesses especially the medical industry getting huge sums of money during retirement or etc..that has nothing at all to do with anything besides the company they are in, they aren't trying to kill off cancer patients intentionally or anything. it's just independent greed.

and on related subject of this web site..there's people around piracy too..which are crooked and you can't figure out whether or not to trust them. best thing is to just stay away from everything and that way you don't have any problems. can't have any issues if you just chat and banter. if people like this are real troublemakers, the much more random stuff you pile into their brain, the more of a maze you create for them to dig themselves out from. I've seen where people get blacklisted from various places because they start to worry the administrators, you shouldn't let anyone in too close who will possibly steal your email accounts or find out other information such as file transfers and where things come from. everything on the internet is recorded to some degree.

 

[jimmy j]

First off, I don't 100% subscribe to either side of the argument. It could have been princess Dianna and Dodi Al-fayed for all I know. But I'm not going to going to blindly ignore facts when they are right there for everyone to see. This documentary points out quite a few interesting facts.

Anyways, the debris from flight93 crash is virtually non existant wheras you'd expect to see huge chunks of engine, fuselage etc. Look for other photos and you'll get a better picture. Ok, so that's not impossible, but it is strange that the story is the same at every single 9/11 crashsite. Tiny, tiny peices at ground zero, pentagon and flight93 site. Strange fact.
Also 3 buildings all come down without damaging any of the surrounding buildings. Now, I can accept that the twin towers were designed to come down that way (makes sense to build em like that), but what about building7? Strange fact.
Check into it and you'll find a lot of strange facts. Count them.

I find it sad that just pointing out a couple of facts can make some people so aggressively defensive about the whole thing. If I say something like "from the video footage, the collapse of each building does bear a striking resemblance to a planned demolition" I can guarantee someone will come along and gat all arsey about it. Never mind the fact that it does bear a striking resemblance to a planned demolition, I just have to ignore what I can plainly see with my own eyes and stop thinking about it. What the fucks the problem? All I said was It looks like a demolition!

Maybe it was a conspiracy, maybe it's exactly as the TV is telling everybody. I don't know because I wasn't there to see it.

Are you David Icke in disguise ?

I am the second coming, dude! What did you expect? A guy in sandles, wrapped in a sheet?

 

[cubin']

I started reading this thinking 911 would come up

I think there should be warnings on videos like loose change that say it may change people into idiots.

We are not living in a an action movie, real life is much simpler...I think without having anything big in our lives (big wars, great depression) we make up little stories to keep ourselves entertained. Occam's Razor - the most simple reason is often the truth or 'entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity'

"#6. We're victims of the Outrage Machine."

This is from an article called "7 reasons the 21st Century is making you miserable" I think it explains things pretty well

A whole lot of the people still reading this are saying, "Of course I'm depressed! People are starving! America has turned into Nazi Germany! My parents watch retarded television shows and talk about them for hours afterward! People are dying in meaningless wars all over the world!"

But how did we wind up with a more negative view of the world than our parents? Or grandparents? Back then, people didn't live as long and babies died more often. Diseases were more common. In those days, if your buddy moved away the only way to communicate was with pen and paper and a stamp. We have Iraq, but our parents had Vietnam (which killed 50 times more people) and their parents had World War 2 (which killed 1,000 times as many). Some of your grandparents grew up at a time when nobody had air conditioning. All of their parents grew up without it.

We are physically better off today in every possible way in which such things can be measured ... but you sure as hell wouldn't know that if you're getting your news online. Why?

Well, ask yourself: If some music site posts an article called, "Fall Out Boy is a Fine Band" and on the same day posts another one called, "Fall Out Boy is the Shittiest Fucking Band of the Last 100 Years, Say Experts," which do you think will get the most traffic? The second one wins in a blowout. Outrage manufactures word-of-mouth.

The news blogs many of you read? The people running them know the same thing. Every site is in a dogfight for traffic (even if they don't run ads, they still measure their success by the size of their audience) and so they carefully pick through the wires for the most inflammatory story possible. The other blogs start echoing the same story from the same point of view. If you want, you can surf all day and never swim out of the warm, stagnant waters of the "aren't those bastards evil" pool.

Only in that climate could those silly 9/11 conspiracy theories come about (saying the Bush administration and the FDNY blew up the towers, and that the planes were holograms). To hear these people talk, every opposing politician is Hitler, and every election is the freaking apocalypse. All because it keeps you reading.

~http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=60177

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JimmyJ - Go to this website if you would like to hear about the other side of the story:
Debunking 911

I think the explanations this website offer are more valid compared to those of the 'troof' movement. Please give it a read

 

[jimmy j]

JimmyJ - Go to this website if you would like to hear about the other side of the story:
Debunking 911

I think the explanations this website offer are more valid compared to those of the 'troof' movement. Please give it a read

Good link, thanks

 

[mthrnite]

Something interesting I found on Slashdot. Unfortunately you can't read the whole article without subscribing to The Washington Post (which I steadfastly refuse to do... damn Freemasons!) The gist is spelled out pretty plainly though; your brain considers oft-repeated information to be true by default. It's a hardwired shortcut that George Bush's handlers take full advantage of, I'm sure.

Also, just for kicks (so to speak)...

Do you still beat your wife?

 

[jimmy j]

I watched a documentary exploring why people are so attracted to conspiracy theories. In it, they layed out a murder scenario and asked 5 people to find the reason for the killing. I forget what the scenario was (something about a scottish reporter found dead in his bathtub) but the main point of the experiment was this: After spending 30 minutes dreaming up reasons for the murder, the participants were genuinely disappointed that the simple answer was "mistaken identity". It was funny too see their faces drop

 

[.TakaM]

We are not living in a an action movie, real life is much simpler...

I think real life is much more complicated than an action movie..