Hardware Are people serious about "Switch 4K"?

[Deleted User]

As great as the Switch is, it tends to struggle with 1080p so games are limited to 720p and such, and even Xbox One X has a hard time at 4K with a good framerate so don't see why they're hyped about a rumored console when the games themselves can't run that high.

I'll say, there were two times that Nintendo made consoles more powerful than its competitors: Nintendo 64 and the GameCube (Xbox was still more powerful admittedly).

 

[Rahkeesh]

Its all about that pixel art in a razor-sharp 4k upscale.

Actually 4K seems more about selling a buzzword than reality. Its become a majority of new TVs and yet there still isn't that much real 4K media.

 

[Deleted User]

Higher fps>>>4k

 

[YugamiSekai]

Nobody actually thinks the Switch could hit native 4K, they're thinking of DLSS upscaled 4K, which wouldn't even require the Switch to be more powerful than the Series S.

 

[deinonychus71]

upscaling is where it's at, which also could be done at a hardware level.
Also, we have a switch, we have a switch lite, a switch pro could also just be console only, and benefits greatly from not having to bother with battery usage/form factor.

Personally, I care a lot more about loading time and stable framerate on switch I also think HDR > 4k in general.

 

[gregory-samba]

If the rumors are true and the next Switch model allows you to game at native 4k then that would really be awesome. Lots of streaming media is in 4k now, there's UHD discs being released on a weekly basis, computers/xbox one/ps4 can do 4k reasonably well. I'm going to buy the enhanced model no matter what, but having native 4k gaming would be really cool. It probably won't play UHD discs though, but I'll just use the PS5 I'm going to get for that purpose.

 

[Deleted User]

upscaling is where it's at, which also could be done at a hardware level.
Also, we have a switch, we have a switch lite, a switch pro could also just be console only, and benefits greatly from not having to bother with battery usage/form factor.

Personally, I care a lot more about loading time and stable framerate on switch I also think HDR > 4k in general.

games running at actual 1080p would be better, as 720p or 900p looks worse than it should on a 1080p screen due to no having propper upscaling

 

[deinonychus71]

If the rumors are true and the next Switch model allows you to game at native 4k then that would really be awesome. Lots of streaming media is in 4k now, there's UHD discs being released on a weekly basis, computers/xbox one/ps4 can do 4k reasonably well. I'm going to buy the enhanced model no matter what, but having native 4k gaming would be really cool. It probably won't play UHD discs though, but I'll just use the PS5 I'm going to get for that purpose.

The ps4 / xbox one for the most part does not play at 4k natively and there is no way the switch will play 4k natively, it's all about upscale.
And it's not a bad thing.

By the way, a lot (and I mean a LOT) of UHD movies are also upscaled. The majority of the time they are mastered in 2k and then upscaled (that include marvel movies ), unless they get a remaster from analogic source, which then is often done in 4k directly or more.
When you buy a UHD disk most of the time the improvement will be most visible because of HDR/DV. In case of very old bluray (I think the Matrix is a good example or bluray encoded in MPEG2) a better compression algorithm will also make a big difference.
https://4kmedia.org/real-or-fake-4k/

 

[Deleted User]

The ps4 / xbox one for the most part does not play at 4k natively and there is no way the switch will play 4k natively, it's all about upscale.
And it's not a bad thing.

By the way, a lot (and I mean a LOT) of UHD movies are also upscaled. The majority of the time they are mastered in 2k and then upscaled (that include marvel movies ), unless they get a remaster from analogic source, which then is often done in 4k directly or more.
When you buy a UHD disk most of the time the improvement will be most visible because of HDR/DV. In case of very old bluray (I think the Matrix is a good example or bluray encoded in MPEG2) a better compression algorithm will also make a big difference.
https://4kmedia.org/real-or-fake-4k/

this applies to both movies and games, but i dont get why they focus so much in increasing the resolution and not the framerate

 

[gregory-samba]

The ps4 / xbox one for the most part does not play at 4k natively and there is no way the switch will play 4k natively, it's all about upscale.
And it's not a bad thing.

By the way, a lot (and I mean a LOT) of UHD movies are also upscaled. The majority of the time they are mastered in 2k and then upscaled (that include marvel movies ), unless they get a remaster from analogic source, which then is often done in 4k directly or more.
When you buy a UHD disk most of the time the improvement will be most visible because of HDR/DV. In case of very old bluray (I think the Matrix is a good example or bluray encoded in MPEG2) a better compression algorithm will also make a big difference.
https://4kmedia.org/real-or-fake-4k/

Yeah, I'm aware some UHD movies aren't the full 4k, but they aren't exactly 1080p either. My computer can game with full specs set to max at 1440p and I do have a 4k monitor. Though my computer is mid-spec. There's r9 or i9 coupled with a 3080 that can easily spit out real 4k gaming with HDR enabled. When I eventually upgrade I will be getting the right hardware to game at 4k and also plan on getting both the Xbox X and PS5, which both can do native 4k. Having a Switch that could play the older games in 4k would be a godsend. I hope it happens as my giant UHD TV is ready

 

[Jayro]

Proper 1080p @60 without having resolution switching and added benefits of AA and Aniso would be a nice use of the extra power, instead of "4K".

 

[deinonychus71]

this applies to both movies and games, but i dont get why they focus so much in increasing the resolution and not the framerate

I agree ^^ As I said personally I'd care more about loading time, stable framerate and HDR.
The resolution is icing on the cake after that.

 

[hippy dave]

Nobody actually thinks the Switch could hit native 4K, they're thinking of DLSS upscaled 4K, which wouldn't even require the Switch to be more powerful than the Series S.

Is that going to be any better than a fancy TV doing AI upscaling or whatever?

 

[peepy]

Its all about that pixel art in a razor-sharp 4k upscale.

Actually 4K seems more about selling a buzzword than reality. Its become a majority of new TVs and yet there still isn't that much real 4K media.

On pc it definitely isn’t a buzzword I used to think it was until I got a 4K monitor Damnnnn that shot is sharp

 

[MaxToTheMax]

What I thought they might do is release a new tablet that is just a switch that has a 1080p screen built in, and then sell a "Pro" dock that has a eGPU in it to boost the games up to 4K30 or something. Keep the old dock and controllers compatible so people will buy the new tablet now and then the new dock (And maybe redesigned joycons and/or Pro Controllers) later.

This would make the switch "pro" backwards compatible and give consumers a smart and more expense, but also longer upgrade path so it feels like less of a cash grab.

EDIT: I personally agree with targeting 1080p60 docked, but Nintendo is going to have to give the general population something to gawk at. Then again, this is Ninty we are talking about.... who knows what they might do?

 

[Deleted User]

What I thought they might do is release a new tablet that is just a switch that has a 1080p screen built in, and then sell a "Pro" dock that has a eGPU in it to boost the games up to 4K30 or something. Keep the old dock and controllers compatible so people will buy the new tablet now and then the new dock (And maybe redesigned joycons and/or Pro Controllers) later.

This would make the switch "pro" backwards compatible and give consumers a smart and more expense, but also longer upgrade path so it feels like less of a cash grab.

EDIT: I personally agree with targeting 1080p60 docked, but Nintendo is going to have to give the general population something to gawk at. Then again, this is Ninty we are talking about.... who knows what they might do?

what i would do is just make the pro dock, add extra storage, dp, ethernet and a dedicated upscaler

 

[MaxToTheMax]

what i would do is just make the pro dock, add extra storage, dp, ethernet and a dedicated upscaler

Yeah, the only reason I say "make a new switch" is to drum up consumer interest. I don't want a WiiU-esk situation where someone with 2 brain cells that is over 50 goes out to buy the new switch dock for Jimmy on Xmas and gets confused lol

 

[godreborn]

I wouldn't mind a beefier switch, but I'd need a 4K tv to make use of 4K. I don't plan to buy a new tv until my current one goes out. I'm much more interested in the number of hdmi inputs than 4K as my current tv only has 1 hdmi.

 

[Deleted User]

Yeah, the only reason I say "make a new switch" is to drum up consumer interest. I don't want a WiiU-esk situation where someone with 2 brain cells that is over 50 goes out to buy the new switch dock for Jimmy on Xmas and gets confused lol

i dont know, i dont get why you'd want a 1080p screen on tablet mode seeing how games struggle to run at 720p on said mode, and even then, an egpu pro dock would not use said screeen (plus, i dont think the switch has thunderbolt 3, which is necessary for egpus), the dock pro idea of "just let it be extra storage and ports" is easier to sell, that or make a home only switch (they made a handheld only so i dont get why not) with a better cooling system so higher clocks are possible from the factory

 

[godreborn]

personally, I think nintendo should focus on adding things to system software like themes, exporting saves, maybe even some sort of achievement system instead of making a beefed up system. I'd probably buy it, but whenever I play the switch, I feel a bit sad that it's not to the level it could be if nintendo would think once about their legit customers instead of the less than 1 percent that make up the pirates.