Hacking Anyone nows how to Backup-Upload Saves from DSCartrige?

Kikoshi

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Been looking around and only see how to make your own Backup's but only a Mac tutorial and no pc"found how to backup games on a pc, but i still dont see how you can do it with saves though", but also i'd like to know how i can backup the gamesave itself, from r4 to dsRetail, and from RetailDS to R4. Anyone?
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