Yeah I know there are some on the forum, I searched for all of them and none has the answer while some do seem to talk about the problem I'm having. I registered just now to post the thread because I could fine no help, so I'll appreciate any help I can get. Thanks. I'll try to be specific about this one, I have absolutely no idea what to do and I'm already getting really desperate by now. PAL Wii with the latest update as of yet with Wiikey, version 1.9s or something like that, the latest on their site. Disc used was DL DVD Verbatim +R, twice - one burned with Disc Utility and one with IMGburn using the manual layer break with the code. ISO used was the earliest one released, on the day before the PAL version of Brawl was actually released. I think most of you used that. When I use the disc burned in Disc Utility (Mac), channel screen loads, I click start, security message and then white screen. I saw this was common in other threads too, but I'm not sure I followed a solution. The Wii is always stuck after this, meaning I can't eject the disc or reset/turn it off, I have to unplug it from the cable. I have no idea where to go to from here. With the other disc, burned with IMGburn with layer break, the game works mostly okay. The first cutscene when you start up the disc is very laggy and if I don't skip the cutscene, when it reaches Mario the Wii will display that it can't read the disc. SSE is the same. Cutscenes are very laggy and will usually bring the Wii to display DRE. Sometimes if I skip them I can get through, sometimes I can't, and it DRE's even if I skip. At some point I couldn't get through the cutscene no matter what I did, around the part where Captain Falcon and Olimar meet. The rest of the game is seemingly fine, though at all times while running it the sounds from the Wii will be horrible. Very loud and very frightening, like the Wii is breaking or something. Last thing worth noting is that I didn't see any indication of an update when inserting either discs. I inserted them both before and after I updated to the latest Wii version, and it never displayed an update. I suspect that's the cause for the problems with the IMGburn disc? I don't know how to activate the update.