Affirmative action / Diversity quotas ... hiring & school admissions vs. sports

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Interesting but obvious question I've seen brought up many times before but there are always new young adults who've never thought about it. What do you guys think?

 

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This is supposed to be shocking how, exactly? There's a long history of racial discrimination in academia and higher education, whereas with sports, a person's level of innate and trained athleticism has always been the great equalizer to some extent. At least after the school system was desegregated, anyway.
 

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You just proved my point for me. People shouldn't be granted special favors based on their melanin content. If you disagree then you're racist
 

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You just proved my point for me. People shouldn't be granted special favors based on their melanin content. If you disagree then you're racist
Every day this forum gets more belligerently racist and less intelligent. Your comment and the general existence of this thread is the proof in that pudding.
 
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Let's say you have a brain tumor. You have a choice between two doctors, one who put in the hard work and dedication to get to where he is, and the other who was boosted up by affirmative action. Which one would you want cracking open your coconut?
 

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Let's say you have a brain tumor. You have a choice between two doctors, one who put in the hard work and dedication to get to where he is, and the other who was boosted up by affirmative action. Which one would you want cracking open your coconut?
Uhmm...either one because it takes hard work and dedication to make it all the way through medical school regardless of how you got in. Are you under the false impression that affirmative action grants a student automatic As in every class they take?

Based on your first reply in this thread I assumed you were anti-racist, but I guess that was a foolish assumption on my part.
 

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Affirmative action is racist by definition, giving a group of people special treatment over another for the shade of their flesh. Explain why asians are required to score more points than african americans on tests and tell me it's fair. (furious typing intensifies)
 
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Affirmative action is racist by definition, giving a group of people special treatment over another for the shade of their flesh.
It's literally the opposite of that, it's acknowledgement that some colleges would admit exclusively white people if given the opportunity, even if that meant meant accepting some C-and-D high school students over vastly better-qualified black/Asian/Latino students. As I said before, there's a long history of exactly that type of discrimination in higher education.
 

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Explain why asians are required to score more points than african americans on tests and tell me it's fair.
This is only the case for colleges that arbitrarily limit the number of admission slots available for Asians and African-Americans, because they want exactly enough to fulfill the federal requirements and no more. Once again, it's for the benefit of white students who otherwise might become a minority of admissions next to a more-qualified Asian student body.
 
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Let's all just agree that skin color does not make you special. We're all just bags of meat. People should be judged only by how they treat others and the effort they put in for the betterment of humanity.
 

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Let's all just agree that skin color does not make you special. We're all just bags of meat. People should be judged only by how they treat others
Precisely why affirmative action exists at all...admissions officials spent decades treating students differently based solely on the color of their skin. Even positive stereotypes can be damaging in their own right, as you pointed out with the higher expectations placed on Asian students.
 

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If you're in favor of affirmative action, then you're saying that some people aren't able to make it on their own merit and need special treatment.

Stop obsessing over superficial things like skin tone and focus more on being a decent human being. No further discussion required.
 

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If you're in favor of affirmative action, then you're saying that some people aren't able to make it on their own merit and need special treatment.
How are you still not understanding this? The special treatment was given to below-average white students for decades on decades. Affirmative action simply attempts to level the playing field and remove that special treatment by instead handing those admissions slots to above-average black/Asian/Latino students. Whether it actually goes far enough to accomplish that goal is another matter...your own statements in this thread suggest that there probably aren't enough slots for all the above-average Asian students out there.

I'd love it if America was more of a meritocracy, but unfortunately that's never been the case in the past, and it still isn't the case today.
 
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Let me simplify it. Color don't matter. Don't be a pud. Move on with your life. (or continue wasting your time in a race bait thread, on what should be a gaming forum instead of a wannabe Reddit, because you have nothing better to do with your time) First one to stop replying wins. GO!
 

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If you're in favor of affirmative action, then you're saying that some people aren't able to make it on their own merit and need special treatment.

Stop obsessing over superficial things like skin tone and focus more on being a decent human being. No further discussion required.
To those privileged enough to not know what it is to be deprived, equality feels like oppression.

To be blunt, affirmative action is a countermeasure to racism that happened so wildly in the past that it disadvantaged its victims to the point where their family decendants were also impacted. It is literally the least a society looking to correct itself can do.
 

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How hard is to understand that making anything just because some "special" condition (aside critical health condition of course) are always a bad idea because that idea always implies excluding people that doesn't match that "special" condition.
 
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