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Discussion in 'User Submitted News' started by Vidboy10, May 14, 2010.
have to say, apple wasn't really all that "free" until recently.
This whole bout between Apple and Adobe makes me a sad, sad boy.
Weird. Adobe wants "freedom" and "openness". And, yes, blatantly omitting Flash from recent Apple products seems to be a restriction on that.
But at the same time, Apple also wants a free and open internet, which is why they love HTML5 as of recent, instead of Adobe Flash.
So who's right?
More like a "Adobe sux!! Down with Flash, hooray for HTML5!" from Apple's part. I'm pretty sure that "openness" is just a nice little excuse in this case.
I actually can't remember what made them do this... Something has to be happened between them just before this.
Aw, crap, I was going to buy a iPhone 4G, but I WANT Flash!
I'm against that resource-hog that Adobe Flash is, but fact is, that most of the internets uses it, be it for streaming or for interactive content like games.
it wasn't all that free ever.
apple has been sucking for a long time. All the built in limitations on their devices. No sd slots, no flash, have to use iTunes, no ntfs, no drag and drop, no no no no. Thats apple and that sucks. The only good apple device is one thats hacked. I've been thumbs down on apple since the imac.
OH NOEZ NO FLOPPY DRIVE!!!!!!1!!1!11!!11111111one1!1!!!1eleven!!!!11!111!
Says someone with the username "macgeek417". Mactool is more like it.
OH NO, I CAN'T USE MY WINDOWS ALTERNATIVES. WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO.
Apple has never been truly open. We know that. Reasonable Apple users know that as well. They just choose for an Apple product because, even though they pay a lot of money and don't have as much choice, it just works! You can say whatever you want about Apple products, but most of the time they just work a lot better!
What Adobe does here is a bit dirty. Don't get me wrong; I agree with them that having Apple control what you do and how you do it is not a nice idea. Even though it is exaggerated they have a point there. But that's not the reason Apple doesn't want Adobe software on their devices. It's because they're known for developing buggy software that compromises whole systems. It's because they don't patch their products well enough. It's because their products slow a system down and make it insecure. I don't like that Apple is the one who gets to decide what software is on my iPhone, iPod or iPad, but they always do that - and this time their reason is a lot better than most people realize.
This. Apple has never been open in any sense of the word. They are one of the most anti-open software companies out there, in fact. But, while we're talking about that, Adobe has no room to speak in that regard either. This is a terribly dirty tactic meant not to get flash on the iPad, but to advertise that the iPad does less, and thusly hurt Apple.
I have never had any flash applet that has compromised an entire system haha, but it has just as likely of a chance to be buggy. And the development environments are actually very well designed. Their products do slow systems down though, considerably. It's a huge memory hog, and frankly, Apple's products might not be able to handle it very well.
Coming from the company that charges 700 fucking USD for the flash creation tool, with the only alternative being a time-limited trial?
I have no problem with their programs. Most of the time they work really well and while they're expensive, they're better than most alternatives.
I wasn't talking about Flash in this case, but about their PDF reader. You'd say it's a simple program and it can't do too much wrong, but there have been bugs that allowed hackers to overtake pretty much the whole system (install software on it, use the machine for a botnet) and Adobe didn't fix them for months or even years. The only thing a user could do is not open any suspicious PDF files or use another program to open them.
Criminals use specialised software to gain access to computers for use in a botnet on a massive scale. In the past, software like that primarily focused on Windows, Internet Explorer and Office. Not because the software has a lot of bugs, but because everyone uses it. In the past few years, software like this has almost totally focused on Adobe products, notably Adobe Reader and Flash. Even though a lot less users use Adobe software (than Microsoft software), it's still more interesting for criminals to target Adobe software.
In the end if you still want legit copies of Photoshop and Premiere Pro and all the other Adobe products you've grown to love, you're still getting bent over a bench.
I think it's pretty childish for Apple to tape off Flash from their products (I mean, why can't they use HTML5 and Flash?), but really, it's something you realize in buying an Apple product. Everything has its downsides.
Whatever, I still love my old iPod. Sure, it runs better with Rockbox than the Apple firmware, but it's still a solid device.
Flash isn't great. That's a fact. It is a bit of a resource hog but that doesn't mean Apple should restrict it from their devices. Most of the web uses Flash. The internet without Flash is like a cheeseburger without the burger.
I think Apple restricts Flash from their devices for a reason. There are a number of great Flash-powered applications on the internet. If an iPad/iPhone user finds one of these, they won't buy the counter-part from the App Store. It will eliminate the need to purchase many apps from the App Store.
For Apple to go out of it's way and boycott Flash is just plain silly. You can't get all of the web to change to use HTML5 which isn't even a complete standard is ludicrous. Adobe does need to step up it's game, though and start improving Flash. Flash is still a buggy resource-hog.
Most games that use flash need a mouse. How are you supposed to use Flash on a Touch-screen device?
Apple are pretty mean and always have to get there own back
but hey 'blood begets blood and keeps spilling'
The opening sentence loses some of its accuracy when it's being quoted externally.
if there is a free flash app on the internet, chances are the app store counter-part is also free and the better choice.
i love this
Also if a developer can make something in flash, then they don't need the iphone/pad SDK... which requires a mac.