ACLU wants porn to be allowed for South Carolina inmates

[Foxi4]

Anyways, I say go for it. Nothing wrong with porn anyways. It will probably prevent some fights and everything going on in the shower (if you know what I mean). Hell, they already get tv, and they get amazing dinners, and they get access to a gym, porn wouldn't do any bad to them.

This is the attitude that scares me the most. "They already have *stuff*, we can give them more *stuff*." No, we can't give them more stuff, they have too much stuff to begin with! It's a prison for god's sake - if you need to fap, fap to the bloody concrete wall because you are a prisoner in a detention center because you've been a NAUGHTY PERSON. They should NOT get anything unless they work towards getting it.

I agree. Also, we don't want to reward them too much as that may lead to people wanting to be there? Or have we already reached that point?

That point has been reached ages ago in Europe and it seems that the U.S is following the stupid, stupid example. In some countries the inmates can even have "private visits" in a "special room" when their girlfriends come over. What is this - a brothel or a prison?

How is it resocializing when the only thing that changes in life when you get time is that you're confined in a cell rather than an apparment that you had to pay for? Answer - it is not. You serve the inmates everything on a plate, the criminals are no longer *afraid* of the concept of imprisonment.

Prison should give the lowest possible living standards and reward only the inmates who actively work, unless they are unable to work due to old age or illnesses, but then again, what are they doing in a prison in the first place then? They should be in a specialized establishment.

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Hell, they [the prisoners] already get tv, and they get amazing dinners, and they get access to a gym....

They are also forced to drink water with high levels of arsenic in California. What a great life they have there!
http://www.turnto23.com/news/28026651/detail.html

 

[Foxi4]

Hell, they [the prisoners] already get tv, and they get amazing dinners, and they get access to a gym....

They are also forced to drink water with high levels of arsenic in California. What a great life they have there!
http://www.turnto23.com/news/28026651/detail.html

Like everybody else in California. Cry me a rivier.

 

[Zetta_x]

@Zetta_x forgive me for twisting words but lesbianism acts as a good conduit for AIDS now? Can't say I know a great about the AIDS transmission rates in US prisons though and I would not like to compare it against the UK situations. This says nothing of other STI/STD type things as well as well as drug use (another more than viable vector).
Certainly though a five knuckle shuffle is safer than most forms of sexual contact.

Lmao, good point. Although, it can be something analyzed, I doubt there are too many ways for STD's to spread amongst women prison's unless they are just sadistic and they try for it =P

 

[FAST6191]

Re: Committing crimes to be returned to prison. It is called being institutionalised (it happens in other areas as well) and I would agree that to have it happen on anything more than a "case for the journals" is despicable (see earlier comment about prisons being about rehabilitation).

Equally only serving gruel (not the words used but for the sake of brevity I am using them); if nothing else having a decent diet tends to do wonders for people (indeed I will have to search for it but there was a fair bit of research done on the matter). Similar logic applies to being able to maintain a level of physical fitness.

"There is a massive labor force that can manufacture goods and build infrastructure that is not currently utilized at all"
I call BS; loads of prison labour is used for various things. Not to mention the issues with it being unskilled labour (even for a basic task it can take many months for a person well versed in the concepts to get good at it).

Re: Entertainment. By all means limit things and removal of it as punishment but a lack of mental stimulation is not a desirable state to force people to be in.

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Hell, they [the prisoners] already get tv, and they get amazing dinners, and they get access to a gym....

They are also forced to drink water with high levels of arsenic in California. What a great life they have there!
http://www.turnto23.com/news/28026651/detail.html

Like everybody else in California. Cry me a rivier.

That is possibly the most puerile response I have ever seen. There's no reason to adopt such a blatant "so what" attitude towards the fact that the Kern Valley inmates have no access to safe drinking water. My only objective in providing that link is to show that inmates don't have such a glamorous life as some people believe, and that many prisons suffer from overcrowding and poor conditions, at least in America. The symptoms of such poor conditions is, of course, abuse and sexual abuse:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...9-2005Mar1.html

On-topic: To paraphrase Jean-Jacques Rousseau, "Let them have porn."

 

[Foxi4]

Re: Committing crimes to be returned to prison. It is called being institutionalised (it happens in other areas as well) and I would agree that to have it happen on anything more than a "case for the journals" is despicable (see earlier comment about prisons being about rehabilitation).

Equally only serving gruel (not the words used but for the sake of brevity I am using them); if nothing else having a decent diet tends to do wonders for people (indeed I will have to search for it but there was a fair bit of research done on the matter). Similar logic applies to being able to maintain a level of physical fitness.

"There is a massive labor force that can manufacture goods and build infrastructure that is not currently utilized at all"
I call BS; loads of prison labour is used for various things. Not to mention the issues with it being unskilled labour (even for a basic task it can take many months for a person well versed in the concepts to get good at it).

Re: Entertainment. By all means limit things and removal of it as punishment but a lack of mental stimulation is not a desirable state to force people to be in.

You're missing my point on various levels.

What I basically said is that anything exceeding the standard of confinement, that being "served gruel for all 3 meals" and a "walk" everyday as entertainment should be accessible to inmates, but under certain conditions. I'm well-aware of programs that utilize prisoners as work forces, but these should be wide-spread.

They don't have to do rocket science - they can actually "dig holes" if they can't do anything else, but they should do *something*. The way I understand resocializing is implementing the basics of living in a society into the inmate's mind. If that is to be achieved, an inmate needs to know that any given pleasure of life can be obtained only by working towards it. I don't want them to be abused as workers, I want them to be sufficiently payed the minimal wage and utilize it within the prison walls.

As I said, half of the money they'd make would fund the prison's various "amenities" while the other half would remain theirs - afterall, they worked for it.

Doesn't that make sense?

QUOTEThat is possibly the most puerile response I have ever seen.

That's what you get when you pull out a ridiculous point. The water is exactly the same for civilians as it is for inmates, it's not a matter of prisons, it's a state affair.

 

[Wombo Combo]

"Stupid idea they don't deserve the right to porn when you go to jail. "

I assume you do not mean right in the sense one has a right to air. This would certainly be on a privilege basis and maybe filtered according to the prison you end up in (see various security levels). Also see the term "conjugal visits".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights
Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement; that is, rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory.

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

That's what you get when you pull out a ridiculous point. The water is exactly the same for civilians as it is for inmates, it's not a matter of prisons, it's a state affair.
I never denied that California had problems with arsenic generally. Your assessment doesn't really line up with what I've been reading on the subject, however. The biggest recent news about arsenic in California revolved around that NASA discovery, I think. Here's another article that deals with the drinking water: http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/pure-geniu...king-water/6367
QUOTEOther states with public water supplies that come from ground water and have arsenic problems include areas in New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Colorado and California, but those supplies are regulated by the EPA (the EPA has set the arsenic standard for drinking water at 10 parts per billion). “It’s the private wells where people just don’t know what they’re drinking,” Hamilton said. He said most water supplies in the U.S. come from surface water, in which there is virtually no arsenic.

But that alone isn't my problem with your responses. I take issue with your outright dismissal of the prisoner's conditions. Even if it is a "state affair," that does not necessarily mean that the issue of bad water in the prisons is thus null and void. True, I did not initially mention the number of private California wells that have arsenic problems. But that hardly makes it a "ridiculous point."

It just occurred to me that I'm going down a familiar path here. Thus, I'm not going to have another drawn-out argument with you. I'm done.

 

[DiscostewSM]

"Stupid idea they don't deserve the right to porn when you go to jail. "

I assume you do not mean right in the sense one has a right to air. This would certainly be on a privilege basis and maybe filtered according to the prison you end up in (see various security levels). Also see the term "conjugal visits".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights
Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement; that is, rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory.

One would think that by committing crimes, one should lose rights, not gain, since they basically took away a right from someone else or some group when performing their criminal activity.

 

[Zetta_x]

One would think that by committing crimes, one should lose rights, not gain, since they basically took away a right from someone else or some group when performing their criminal activity.

Are you saying that when someone goes to jail they aren't losing rights or are you saying that inmates can only lose privileges not gain any?

 

[machomuu]

One would think that by committing crimes, one should lose rights, not gain, since they basically took away a right from someone else or some group when performing their criminal activity.

Are you saying that when someone goes to jail they aren't losing rights or are you saying that inmates can only lose privileges not gain any?

They're saying that one would think they would lose instead of gain rights when they go to jail because they are basically taking rights from someone else by committing the crime. Basically, the latter.

 

[Zetta_x]

That's what I thought, am I missing something or do you actually not lose rights when you go to jail?

It sounded like Discostew said by letting them have porn they get rights for going to jail but in actuality, you still lose everything else for going to jail.

 

[DeMoN]

Maybe this will lower the cases of ass-[censored] in the prisons. I think that would fall under cruel or unusual punishment so it's no wonder why the ACLU is doing this.

 

[bdacanay]

If I were an inmate at any prison, I would probably draw my own porn on used napkins. Like stick figure porn, but with huge titties and I can do a little better than stick figures. I'm no artist, but I think I could draw well enough to get hard and shoot my load.

A good reason to use napkins is if I feel like cumming all over a woman's chest, I can jizz on my drawing. Or I could cum in my hand and throw it at the guards...or eat it. Whatever I feel like doing at that moment. Who knows.

Maybe I'll sell my napkin porn for cigarettes and handjobs, so I don't have to get off on napkin porn. I think having porno might lessen the prison rapes from 95% down to 94%. A significant droppage.

 

[Foxi4]

If I were an inmate at any prison, I would probably draw my own porn on used napkins. Like stick figure porn, but with huge titties and I can do a little better than stick figures. I'm no artist, but I think I could draw well enough to get hard and shoot my load.

A good reason to use napkins is if I feel like cumming all over a woman's chest, I can jizz on my drawing. Or I could cum in my hand and throw it at the guards...or eat it. Whatever I feel like doing at that moment. Who knows.

Maybe I'll sell my napkin porn for cigarettes and handjobs, so I don't have to get off on napkin porn. I think having porno might lessen the prison rapes from 95% down to 94%. A significant droppage.

I see what you did there.

Thumbs up for this man - he gets it.

QUOTEMaybe this will lower the cases of ass-[censored] in the prisons. I think that would fall under cruel or unusual punishment so it's no wonder why the ACLU is doing this.

...what are they supposed to do to keep a prison "a prison"? Spank the prisoners? Ah, right. That's corporal punishment.

Having prisons is so expensive - why won't we cut down the middle man and just lock people down in their own houses, take away the keys and serve platters of food periodically instead? That's so much cheaper and so humane! Ugh...

 

[Nujui]

I'd say let them have at it.

 

[TLSS_N]

Moron... I'm sorry but ignorant sheep like you are the reason this country has gone from the most upwardly mobile country on the planet to the least. We live in a police state, our government has suspended the constitution via the "patriot" act, we have 300 million people, a small percentage of the world population, yet somehow, we have 1/4 the ENTIRE WORLDS prison population in our jails! The richest 1% earn 40 percent of the wealth with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer every day, the economic inequality in larger than it's been in a century, here in WA they "fixed" the 6 billion dollar budget gap by slashing aid to local low income/no income health clinics for the extremely poor, cutting the state health plan off to anyone new, cutting the paultry $369 we give to temporarily disabled people who were not injured at work to a UNREAL $150! Ya that's gonna get you by! when a studio appartment costs $700 here! So after doing their civic duty and once again crapping on the people who can LEAST afford to be crapped on they go to the next most OBVIOUS place to cut money to... our kids... slashing the SCHOOLS BUDGET by 3 billion, and many many more horrible horrible things (seriously you should see it...).

Hey, it is the liberal west after all, not my fault that the failed political ideals are just now rearing it's ugly head.

I'm sorry but you are truly stupid... when you think that throwing more of our people into prison (which by the way idiot TURNS people into criminals! I gaurantee you if you're not a criminal before going to prison you will learn to become one in there!) is a good thing it makes me think of how ignorant our society is at large. Our justice system is a factory, it produces jobs for cops (hence the police state where we have NO rights left) and generates money for the states ("we have lots of prisoners to keep YOU safe so we're gonna charge you more taxes"), prosecutors care NOTHING if someone is innocent or gulty unless it's in the media, the only way you get justice is if you can BUY it. I used to consider myself a democrat because I favor government help for the poor, but they are beyond corrupt now as well... this country has SOOO much money, but the rich, who pay off the politicians so they wont tax them or they spend it on this unjust war on drugs, just keep getting richer while I can't even get a fricking checkup without going into banckruptcy!

So ya... I'm real proud to be a fricken citizen of the united states of shat! Where people like you rule... *spit*

yes, go back to smoking your pot, laced with mercury from the volcanic ash it's grown it.

we're so overdue for a revolution... our country is so unbelievably broken, it makes me so angry when i see how blind people are to it... sorry for the rant i just get so mad when people can live in the same society as mee and not see this stuff too! It's right in fornt of our faces! I play a LOT of video games, i mean a LOT... but i still take the time to look around every now and then. I fear for the future... my generating and younger are so apathetic and neutered. Our parents and grandparents fought to keep our country great and in the span of 30 years we've managed to destroy evrything! my grandparents would be turning int heir graves knowing this country is what they fought for... my generation is going to be the FIRST generation of americans to not do better than their parents. ever. however i believe that to be mostly due to the greed of our parents generation.

yes, it is time for a revolution... If I had any power, it would be people such as yourself who would be licking paint for what has been done to this country. 40+ years of sex and drugs, perversion of our religion, perversion of our duties, your a fool like so many on this forum. there is a reason that we have been going down hill, people went left, and then they went farther left and then even farther. I am sick and tired of people, bitching and complaining and not looking at what truly caused this. It's people like reverend manning of atlah, who know what's going on, and speak out. "side note, reverend manning is a BLACK BIRTHER"! Michael Savage, Donald Trump and others. The system is so fixed, it is going to implode upon itself. people will only blame the same people they have blamed for so long, when if fact they can only blame themselves.

QUOTE(kenpachi @ May 31 2011, 08:08 PM)

In the 50's, if you made more than 2 million in todays money they taxed you 91%! Can you tell me we were not doing well in the 50's!!?!?! yet now we have these mega rich hoarding all the wealth and it's WRONG! But they are BUYING our politicians off! anything over a few million should be taxed to the hilt! no one needs so much money when there's people homeless in our streets and so many of us (EVEN WITH JOBS!) can't get halthcare! omg i'm ranting so hard lol. i'll stop. I'm sounding nutty... god i hate it here... why couldn't i have been born in france or the netherlands or something. crap... this is a gaming website isn't it lol, wow... kinda flew off the handle there, ohh well I stand by it! hehehe

happen to notice who has held a majority power for 50+ years? thought so.

 

[Westside]

Now people don't have to worry about dropping the soap in prison.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Now people don't have to worry about dropping the soap in prison.

I dunno about that. Could just make it easier for them to be sexually aroused. Porn is not limited to attraction of the opposite sex.