About the Texas massacre and easy access to guns.

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EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN, that fucking 2nd amendment is something from the past and should (must) be abolished
It's worth noting that full repeal of the Second Amendment is not required to reach the desired outcome. Until 2008, the Second Amendment only officially protected the right for people to keep and bear arms in relation to militia service. Since the US was founded by the people rising up to break away from what they considered an oppressive government, the framers of the US Constitution thought it wise to prevent the new government from curtailing the people's ability to do the same thing in the future.

It wasn't until 2008's DC vs Heller that the US Supreme Court decided that the Constitution gave individuals the right to keep and bear arms beyond the scope of militia service, at which point it became much harder for states to regulate guns without getting those regulations struck down in court. As such, repealing the Second Amendment is not necessary to make more stringent gun regulations possible; DC vs Heller just needs to be overturned. Since Republicans now control the SCOTUS 6 to 3, this is highly unlikely to happen, which makes trying to regulate guns somewhat futile.

It would also be possible to amend the US Constitution to clarify that the Second Amendment only protects the states' right to operate militias, but the SCOTUS would probably strike the amendment down as being unconstitutional, since the current SCOTUS agrees with DC vs Heller that the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms is not restricted to militia service. The US is also so divided on gun rights that it would never secure the votes required to pass such an amendment in the first place.

Without significant changes of leadership in statehouses, Congress, and the SCOTUS, little to nothing can be done about gun violence. Even if you regulate guns at the state level, people can easily carry guns across state lines, since people have freedom of movement from state to state. Now 3D printing is also making it possible for people to manufacture their own guns, which makes gun control even more difficult.

I think this may at least partially answer @Nikokaro's question about why the US doesn't act to curtail gun violence. There are methods to address it, but until people start electing different representatives, there is no political will to get it done.
 

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so your solution to mass shooting in school is the same as trump, right?
Arming teachers?


What works at federal courthouses?

What works at airports?

Do that.

The metal detectors could be built as the frame of the entrance door. Less obtrusive, less possible to evade too. Doesn't have to be a stand-alone apparatus like we're used to seeing at airports, courthouses.

They seem to be willing to spend the money to protect their federal judges, airplanes, and big buildings, but not our kids?

Weird how this only keeps happening in the US 🤔

Weird how when I was in high school (and before), it was pretty normal to bring a rifle to school. Maybe you went hunting before school. Maybe youre going hunting after school. Maybe the school has a rifle club. But it was no big deal, and we didn't shoot each other.

Guns haven't changed ... AR-15's been around since the 50's. Semi autos with more than 10rd capacity go back a lot further. And it used to be perfectly legal to buy a full-auto machine gun. Mail order. (Prohibition ruined that.)

It's people that've changed. People in the US.
 

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EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN, that fucking 2nd amendment is something from the past and should (must) be abolished
Time for US Government Class, I guess.

The 2nd amendment is literally part of the US Consitution, which means we would need a new amendment to repeal it.

1. The only amendment to be repealed ever was the 18th amendment.
2. Passing an amendment isn't like pushing a new law through Congress because it is a fundamental change in the Government and there are specific things that have to be done - it has to pass both at the Federal level like any other law, but it also has to pass a Convention of the States. If you've ever seen the shitshow that is a presidential election, think of that but with even more strict requirements to find a "winner" - you need 75% of states to report a favorable majority for an amendment to proceed onward. We can't even get 50%+1 to agree on who should be the president.

The main advantage to a constitutional amendment passing is that the Supreme Court then would have to honor it, exactly because it's then part of the Constitution.
 

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I don't have permission to access that article. Very strange. 🤔 It would have been interesting to read. What was it about?

Local news station report. 4 years ago. About a couple of students, planning to do a mass shooting in 2022. At the same school. At this point, whoever is running the show might as well have bought the guns and provided instruction on how to use them. I'm in Japan and can see it. Maybe try VPN.

Basically these kids wanted to "feel like god". If that's a gun problem, you tell me.

Something needs stricter controls. Maybe law enforcement agencies? This was seen from 4 years away. I don't know how many miles you can travel in 4 years.


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Author: Henry Ramos
Published: 10:34 PM CDT May 3, 2018
Updated: 10:34 PM CDT May 3, 2018
Two Uvalde teens were recently arrested for Conspiracy to Commit Murder after officers said they foiled a mass-shooting plot the pair had schemed.
A press release obtained by KENS 5 thoroughly chronicles events leading up to an investigation performed by the Uvalde Police Department and the Texas Rangers.

In the press release, Uvalde Chief of Police Daniel Rodriguez said that a Morales Junior High School student,14, and a former Morales student, 13, had specifically targeted numerous students in what they described as a plan to perform a "mass casualty event against the school."
Authorities said the students were motivated in large part by the Columbine shootings:
"The investigation revealed that the students were infatuated with the Columbine High School shootings and identified themselves to the shooters. The investigation uncovered that the students even referred to themselves using the Columbine shooter's names."
Investigators also believe the students were planning to hold the attacks years from now during their senior year, on the anniversary of the Columbine shooting. However, one of the students began to convince the other that they should move the attacks up to this year.
"One of the students had numerous writings and drawings which depicted weapons capable of causing mass destruction. He wrote about being "God-like" and killing police and other persons. He had an academic analysis of one of the Columbine shooter's journals," the release stated.
According to the release, the teens were also planning on detonating IED's before killing students from a list 'ranked by priority.'
After that, the release states the pair were going to kill at random before eventually turning the guns on themselves.
“Any kids that had talked bad about them or said anything they did not like, basically, they said they were going to go and kill them,” one student said. You just felt unsafe. And teachers have been bringing it to our attention that you can't be saying those things anymore. We can't do that. It is wrong.”
“It was scary. We hear it everywhere else, but you don't expect for it to happen in your town,” one parent said. “I am glad they were able to control the situation before anything does happen. And that they actually did something about it. Sometimes you think they're just going to hear it, and say it won't happen and dust it under the rug, and they actually did something.”

Both students were reportedly evaluated by mental health services on April 19, when the investigation led officials to the pair. The older of the two was released on April 23 into his mother's care.
On April 25, the pair were taken into custody again, and this time arrested for Conspiracy to Commit Murder.
Uvalde CISD issued a statement on Thursday:
Our school district is committed to the safety and education of all our students and we want to clearly communicate about safety issues when they arise. One of our Morales Junior High students was experiencing a crisis. Upon rendering aid and support, the student revealed a future plan to conduct a school shooting in the year of 2022. With the type of detailed information that was revealed by the student to law enforcement and confirmed in their investigation, the student has been arrested and will not be returning to our school. Our school district has a strong partnership with our local law enforcement agencies and emergency responders. They share our commitment to student safety, and we are working closely with them to ensure all information is thoroughly evaluated and our school is as safe as possible.
We ask our parents to assist us in reminding their child/children of the importance of telling a staff member if they ever become aware of a plan to harm individuals or of a weapon at school. The STOPit app may be utilized by parents or students to inform administration of any inappropriate behavior. In this way, we are all working together to keep our schools safe.
Anne Marie Espinoza
Executive Director of Communications and Marketing"
 
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LOL amazing how the "pro-life" (really: pro-birth) republicans here who get all high and mighty about the supposed rights of an embryo are so uninterested in the rights of actual, full-born children to live just because of their Freudian insecurity to compensate with guns.

It's almost as if y'all want children to be born just to abuse them and get them killed at a later date.

"[...] no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”

And I quote this as a Reagan-hater.
 

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LOL amazing how the "pro-life" (really: pro-birth) republicans here who get all high and mighty about the supposed rights of an embryo are so uninterested in the rights of actual, full-born children to live just because of their Freudian insecurity to compensate with guns.

It's almost as if y'all want children to be born just to abuse them and get them killed at a later date.

"[...] no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”

And I quote this as a Reagan-hater.
I thought children in texas were born with guns.
 

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Local news station report. 4 years ago. About a couple of students, planning to do a mass shooting in 2022. At the same school. At this point, whoever is running the show might as well have bought the guns and provided instruction on how to use them. I'm in Japan and can see it. Maybe try VPN.

Basically these kids wanted to "feel like god". If that's a gun problem, you tell me.

Something needs stricter controls. Maybe law enforcement agencies? This was seen from 4 years away. I don't know how many miles you can travel in 4 years.


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Author: Henry Ramos
Published: 10:34 PM CDT May 3, 2018
Updated: 10:34 PM CDT May 3, 2018
Two Uvalde teens were recently arrested for Conspiracy to Commit Murder after officers said they foiled a mass-shooting plot the pair had schemed.
A press release obtained by KENS 5 thoroughly chronicles events leading up to an investigation performed by the Uvalde Police Department and the Texas Rangers.

In the press release, Uvalde Chief of Police Daniel Rodriguez said that a Morales Junior High School student,14, and a former Morales student, 13, had specifically targeted numerous students in what they described as a plan to perform a "mass casualty event against the school."
Authorities said the students were motivated in large part by the Columbine shootings:
"The investigation revealed that the students were infatuated with the Columbine High School shootings and identified themselves to the shooters. The investigation uncovered that the students even referred to themselves using the Columbine shooter's names."
Investigators also believe the students were planning to hold the attacks years from now during their senior year, on the anniversary of the Columbine shooting. However, one of the students began to convince the other that they should move the attacks up to this year.
"One of the students had numerous writings and drawings which depicted weapons capable of causing mass destruction. He wrote about being "God-like" and killing police and other persons. He had an academic analysis of one of the Columbine shooter's journals," the release stated.
According to the release, the teens were also planning on detonating IED's before killing students from a list 'ranked by priority.'
After that, the release states the pair were going to kill at random before eventually turning the guns on themselves.
“Any kids that had talked bad about them or said anything they did not like, basically, they said they were going to go and kill them,” one student said. You just felt unsafe. And teachers have been bringing it to our attention that you can't be saying those things anymore. We can't do that. It is wrong.”
“It was scary. We hear it everywhere else, but you don't expect for it to happen in your town,” one parent said. “I am glad they were able to control the situation before anything does happen. And that they actually did something about it. Sometimes you think they're just going to hear it, and say it won't happen and dust it under the rug, and they actually did something.”

Both students were reportedly evaluated by mental health services on April 19, when the investigation led officials to the pair. The older of the two was released on April 23 into his mother's care.
On April 25, the pair were taken into custody again, and this time arrested for Conspiracy to Commit Murder.
Uvalde CISD issued a statement on Thursday:
Our school district is committed to the safety and education of all our students and we want to clearly communicate about safety issues when they arise. One of our Morales Junior High students was experiencing a crisis. Upon rendering aid and support, the student revealed a future plan to conduct a school shooting in the year of 2022. With the type of detailed information that was revealed by the student to law enforcement and confirmed in their investigation, the student has been arrested and will not be returning to our school. Our school district has a strong partnership with our local law enforcement agencies and emergency responders. They share our commitment to student safety, and we are working closely with them to ensure all information is thoroughly evaluated and our school is as safe as possible.
We ask our parents to assist us in reminding their child/children of the importance of telling a staff member if they ever become aware of a plan to harm individuals or of a weapon at school. The STOPit app may be utilized by parents or students to inform administration of any inappropriate behavior. In this way, we are all working together to keep our schools safe.
Anne Marie Espinoza
Executive Director of Communications and Marketing"
Of course, America is not new to these attitudes. This will always be a possible and looming danger, as long as the government does not remedy the legislation. That this situation is indirectly due to the constitution and the difficulty of modifying it is absurd: it was created to protect individuals, and instead, becoming almost untouchable and unchangeable, paradoxically threatens their safety and rights.
Then, as can be seen from this article, it is not about psychopaths or seriously mentally ill patients to be treated, but simple adolescents seized by anger, resentment, envy, insensitivity, jealousy, simple stupidity or pure evil: it is an ethical and moral problem, of values, education, and not to heal someone who is sick!
Some people are blatantly irretrievable: purely and simply wicked. The fundamental question is that these individuals should not have easy access to weapons, by any means! I don't see what there is to discuss about this ...
Sorry for my bad english. 😅
 
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Of course, America is not new to these attitudes. This will always be a possible and looming danger, as long as the government does not remedy the legislation. That this situation is indirectly due to the constitution and the difficulty of modifying it is absurd: it was created to protect individuals, and instead, becoming almost untouchable and unchangeable, paradoxically threatens their safety and rights.
Then, as can be seen from this article, it is not about psychopaths or seriously mentally ill patients to be treated, but simple adolescents seized by anger, resentment, envy, insensitivity, jealousy, simple stupidity or pure evil: it is an ethical and moral problem, of values, education, and not to heal someone who is sick!
Some people are blatantly irretrievable: purely and simply wicked. The fundamental question is that these individuals should not have easy access to weapons, by any means! I don't see what there is to discuss about this ...
Sorry for my bad english. 😅
Yeah. It's pretty crazy that kids who threaten to shoot up schools are able to purchase guns (source?), after being arrested for threatening to shoot up schools. Law enforcement's role has been to not interfere, I guess. Wait, they do interfere. They stop parents from being the heroes and trying to save the kids.

"Who's your hero?"
 
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Yeah. It's pretty crazy that kids who threaten to shoot up schools are able to purchase guns (source?), after being arrested for threatening to shoot up schools. Law enforcement's role has been to not interfere, I guess. Wait, they do interfere. They stop parents from being the heroes and trying to save the kids.
If only they actually stepped in to save the kids rather than letting teachers sacrifice themselves.
 

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If only they actually stepped in to save the kids rather than letting teachers sacrifice themselves.
I actually agree with you. That surprised me.

They only had 4 years to do it. What, exactly, stopped them?

Seems the role of law enforcement is to respond to crimes, not stop them while they are happening. They have to wait until they are finished?
 

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I actually agree with you. That surprised me.
Not difficult to agree with good sense, it would be problematic otherwise.
They only had 4 years to do it. What, exactly, stopped them?

Seems the role of law enforcement is to respond to crimes, not stop them while they are happening. They have to wait until they are finished?
Actually, one of the key competences of law enforcement is to PREVENT crime, not just a reactive role. When that isn't possible, their duty is to be as prompt as possible. Instead, they sat on their asses, all a dozen of them, and let two dozens of kids be slaughtered.

And thank you for quoting me in your signature, your Freudian complex becomes more and more obvious. And more and more sad.
 
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Law enforcement's role has been to not interfere, I guess.
What do you mean by this? So what are they there for? To show off and brag about their uniform?
Wait, they do interfere. They stop parents from being the heroes and trying to save the kids.
Are you serious or are you exaggerating? If so, it is blatant nonsense! Welp, americans, who understands them !?! 🤔
 

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What do you mean by this? So what are they there for? To show off and brag about their uniform?
They are there "to contain the situation". Whatever that means. Maybe they brag about their uniform in the meantime.

Are you serious or are you exaggerating?
I'm serious. They were arresting parents for trying to go in and saving their children. A parent, who was put in handcuffs, who knew the local law enforcement, was able to persuade the marshals (or whatever the higher tier in the heirarchy) to let her go. She then went outside their view, hopped the fence, and saved her children. A real hero. (that's not allowed)
 
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And thank you for quoting me in your signature, your Freudian complex becomes more and more obvious. And more and more sad.

If you are accusing me of being Freud, I don't know. I just thought that the quote encompasses your persona pretty well. You accuse someone of projecting, call them an incel, then make an incel joke, and then try to make it original by concluding it with something illogical. It's very unique. You are welcome.
 
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If you are accusing me of being Freud, I don't know. I just thought that the quote encompasses your persona pretty well. You accuse someone of projecting, call them an incel, then make an incel joke, and then try to make it original by concluding it with something illogical. It's very unique. You are welcome.
Nothing of what you wrote is correct, especially the part, especially the part I put in bold, minus habens. Your ignorance is as amusing as your thick-as-pig-droppings stupidity.

Also, incel joke? a little reminder for you of what incel means, you silly sausage: "label for a group of men who blame women and feminism for their inability to find sexual partners".

There's literally nothing incel in what I said - in fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite, which anyone who noticed the emphasis I put on the word with scare quotes could understand. "Perhaps" you need to go back to school, you missed your reading comprehension classes 101.
 

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Nothing of what you wrote is correct, especially the part, especially the part I put in bold, minus habens. Your ignorance is as amusing as your thick-as-pig-droppings stupidity.

Also, incel joke? a little reminder for you of what incel means, you silly sausage: "label for a group of men who blame women and feminism for their inability to find sexual partners".

There's literally nothing incel in what I said - in fact, I'd say it's quite the opposite, which anyone who noticed the emphasis I put on the word with scare quotes could understand. "Perhaps" you need to go back to school, you missed your reading comprehension classes 101.
You proposed promiscuity in a negative light. There really isn't anything, there, to discuss. Please explain "no wonder you don't fit in doorways"
 
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