About the Texas massacre and easy access to guns.

[Foxi4]

terrorist attacks are not the same as civil gun Death. Arming the Irish is not going to stop terrorist attacks, its going to increase the attack 100 folds as thats more Imperialism issue then a "Gun Violence"

That’s a very convenient caveat for you. From my perspective, a society that suffers from regular terrorist attacks has a good, sensible reason to own means of self-defense. You’re welcome to restrict that right to terrorists only though, they seem to be doing well enough to sport AK-47’s.

 

[AncientBoi]

Republicans during a peaceful BLM Protest.

You think we forgot about this?

I sure as Fuq didn't

 

[KennyAtom]

Republicans during a peaceful BLM Protest.

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You think we forgot about this?

I sure as Fuq didn't

didn't the protesters come back to harass them after the news reported on how their guns were taken by the police?

I think that they had purposes other than protesting if they were willing to go back and harass them after they protected their home.

 

[AncientBoi]

didn't the protesters come back to harass them after the news reported on how their guns were taken by the police?

I think that they had purposes other than protesting if they were willing to go back and harass them after they protected their home.

THEY [the dumbazz republicans] Should have never even brought them out!

They helped INCITE it even More!

Thus.. never mind.. I know where Your mind is made up on the subject.

As I will still say "Fuq The Republicans!" "PASS The Stronger Gun Laws Azzholes!"

 

[djpannda]

didn't the protesters come back to harass them after the news reported on how their guns were taken by the police?

I think that they had purposes other than protesting if they were willing to go back and harass them after they protected their home.

IF Someone I did not intend to confront or heck knew existed.. came out POINT several GUNs at me while I walk Next their house.. (because be honest the Crowd was caulk full of Minorities ), I would also hold a Grudge... as you know.... I don't like people Threatening me at Gun point because I "look" Menacing because of .......my melanin

 

[KennyAtom]

THEY [the dumbazz republicans] Should have never even brought them out!

I mean, when they come back for you after it's revealed on the news that your guns were taken by the police, maybe your fears would be assured. I know mine would if they came back for my house after I lost my guns.

They helped INCITE it even More!

How exactly? They were just protecting their property.

Thus.. never mind.. I know where Your mind is made up on the subject.

It can change, it has changed before.

As I will still say "Fuq The Republicans!" "PASS The Stronger Gun Laws Azzholes!"

*Fuck
*Assholes

Horrible spellings aside, I agree on stronger background checks, they'll help.

IF Someone I did not intend to confront or heck knew existed.. came out POINT several GUNs at me while I walk Next their house.. (because be honest the Crowd was caulk full of Minorities ), I would also hold a Grudge... as you know.... I don't like people Threatening me because I look Menacing because of .......my melanin

Weren't they breaking into private property? It was a gated community.

They had every right to protect their house.

Ok, looking it up, yeah, they broke a law.

They were trespassing by breaking through the gate that stated it was private property.

 

[AncientBoi]

I mean, when they come back for you after it's revealed on the news that your guns were taken by the police, maybe your fears would be assured. I know mine would if they came back for my house after I lost my guns.

How exactly? They were just protecting their property.

It can change, it has changed before.

*Fuck
*Assholes

Horrible spellings aside, I agree on stronger background checks, they'll help.

you've proven my point.

 

[KennyAtom]

you've proven my point.

How exactly? I was kindly responding to your points, and countering with my points.

If anything, that disproves your points, since it proves I'm willing to listen and respond nicely.

 

[AncientBoi]

Ok, looking it up, yeah, they broke a law.

They were trespassing by breaking through the gate that stated it was private property.

Public Sidewalk is NOT "Private Property"

 

[KennyAtom]

Public Sidewalk is NOT "Private Property"

No, it was a gated community, nothing was public about it.

The protesters were quite literally on private property at the time, you can protest on public sidewalks, but you can't break into gated communities and protest there, that's trespassing.

 

[djpannda]

Weren't they breaking into private property? It was a gated community.

They had every right to protect their house.

..... "protect" and irresponsibly and Illegally brandish Weapons that lead to prosecution and lost of Gun Licenses are not the same thing

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[SyphenFreht]

BAD change is scary, like Brexit or Trump. Progressive change isn't.

All change is scary, even change you want. But the difference is acting upon said change. Look at the conservative platform; the whole party is against change, mainly because they're so safe and comfortable in their centuries old ways.

I live in the UK. Stabbings are as common as rain nowadays, I think I’d take my chances (given the option). The default answer to a rise in violence here is increasing restrictions, so we’re in a never-ending cycle of terrible events leading to a reduced capacity for self-defense. It makes no sense and leaves citizens vulnerable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42749089.amp

I think the notion that higher levels of gun ownership would lead to good guy vs. bad guy shoot outs becoming commonplace is odd. The reason why I say that is because it’s not happening right now in areas with high gun ownership, and there’s no reason to suggest that’d change. We’re not talking about two armed posses clashing, old western movie-style - we’re talking about citizens intervening against one crazy person.

You don't have the means to fight back. All this completely unchecked US gun ownership does is kill kids and allow people to play cowboy.

If a tyrannical government took over the US (which it can't, because soldiers are people too) then you would not stand a chance going up against them anyway.

Something I find interesting is what's called the "Bystander Effect": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

In short, it's a psychological phenomenon where no one intervenes in a tragedy because everyone is convinced that someone else will handle it. Couple that with the idea that many people won't know how to deal with a sudden situation, and you have an explanation as to why in a large group of people, there might only be one or two people that actually do something. And of course you then have the people who impulsively act without thinking, and you now have a crowd of people, all with guns, most of who won't do anything, and the rest are mixed between the few who can and will and the few who try and don't know how to do anything. Statistically, these situations would often have more casualties than if the perpetrator was just allowed to empty their magazine and move on.

Of course the ideal solution would be to train every gun owner, but that brings us back to how and when we can do it.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

It's good to know you're not allowed to protect your own private property anymore. In my eyes, they were nice about it. The guns they had weren't even loaded, and before that incident they were democrats. You come do that to my house and well....imma blast yo ass away to put it nicely lol

 

[KennyAtom]

..... "protect" and irresponsibly and Illegally brandish Weapons that lead to prosecution and lost of Gun Licenses are not the same thing

They didn't lose their gun licenses, but their law ones were put on a probationary period.

Also they were pardoned anyway.

"In August 2021, they were both pardoned by Missouri governor Mike Parson. In February 2022, the Supreme Court of Missouri subjected the couple's law licenses to a one-year probationary period with a violation resulting in indefinite suspension."

Also, their guns were destroyed though, maybe that's what you were thinking of.

"On June 17, 2021, the McCloskeys pled guilty to misdemeanor offenses: Mark for fourth-degree assault, and Patricia for harassment. Mark was required to pay a $750 fine, and Patricia $2,000, and their guns used in the incident were required to be surrendered and destroyed."

Source : St. Louis gun-toting controversy | Wikipedia

 

[AncientBoi]

It's good to know you're not allowed to protect your own private property anymore. In my eyes, they were nice about it. The guns they had weren't even loaded, and before that incident they were democrats. You come do that to my house and well....imma blast yo ass away to put it nicely lol

They still didn't need to have brung out the guns.

 

[KennyAtom]

Also, yes, they were trespassing at the time.

From the same source,

"On June 28, 2020, about 500 Black Lives Matter protesters entered Portland Place, a private gated neighborhood, in an attempt to walk to the home of St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson on an adjacent neighborhood street. "

private gated neighborhoods are closed off, entering them without having permission to enter is trespassing.

 

[AlexMCS]

yea.. I know look at all the 3rd world countries that restricted Guns. They have suffered Major military coups and the GANGS taking over... Look at.....UK... I mean Scotland........ I mean Australia ...noo Japan..
wait all those countries are 1st world Power houses with with LIMITED Gun deaths because they have Real Gun Laws.

looks like RIDICULOUS Gun deaths number are only a US problem ....View attachment 312400\

There is a link between education, poverty and deaths by gunshot.
They will obviously be lower on countries with better living conditions.
Your chart does nothing to address possible tyranny.
In fact, if a tyrant rose to power in most of these countries, the people would be completely powerless to stop them.

The issue in the US is purely one of mental health/culture/education.
If you "ban" guns, killing sprees will de done with blades, poison, illegal guns or worse: explosives.
It won't be a solution.

 

[Foxi4]

Something I find interesting is what's called the "Bystander Effect": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

The bystander effect hit those cops real hard as they were sitting outside of the classroom waiting for the janitor to give them the keys. Just saying. I personally like to have agency - I’m aware that I can “call the cops” and leave it to them, that doesn’t necessarily translate to me not wanting to be armed myself. I don’t expect others to step in and “save me” because I don’t believe in superheroes, along with Santa, the tooth fairy and other things that don’t exist. In fact, getting rid of the “cops = superheroes” mentality would also be a step forward in terms of police reform. They’re just people, we expect too much from them. I don’t want to get shot, they don’t want to get shot either.

 

[djpannda]

There is a link between education, poverty and deaths by gunshot.
They will obviously be lower on countries with better living conditions.
Your chart does nothing to address possible tyranny.
In fact, if a tyrant rose to power in most of these countries, the people would be completely powerless to stop them.

The issue in the US is purely one of mental health/culture/education.
If you "ban" guns, killing sprees will de done with blades, poison, illegal guns or worse: explosives.
It won't be a solution.

Gang Violence and crazy people will always exist but the difference is 300plus rounds vs A knife ?
You are talking about 100s of death vs 2-3 before they are stopped....
In most these case.. NO "Good Guy" with a stopped these. It took a completely swat team to... (and like TX after all the carnage was done)

 

[Foxi4]

In most these case.. NO "Good Guy" with a stopped these. It took a completely swat team to... (and like TX after all the carnage was done)

It never happened. Not even last week, nu-uh.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236.amp

Good guy with a gun is just a myth…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings

It literally never happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughan_Foods_beheading_incident

I can go on all day, by the way.