A law firm has begun an investigation for a class action lawsuit on Nintendo over Joy-Con drift

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Joy-Con connectivity issues have plagued Nintendo Switch owners since the launch of the console, more than two years ago. Recently, Joy-Con drift has become a topic of interest once more, due to fans vocally expressing their disappointment. With no real solution in sight, it appears that a law firm is stepping in to see if they can make things happen. The law firm, called Chimicles Schwartz Kriner & Donaldson-Smith LLP, is a three-decade old institution that focuses on class action lawsuits. According to CSK&D, they have begun an investigation into a possible class-action lawsuit against Nintendo for selling faulty Joy-Cons that have phantom input and interfere with gaming.

You can fill out the form in the link below to offer your personal experiences with your Joy-Cons to help give the firm more information to work with. If enough reports come in, then CSK&D will move forward with their lawsuit. Whether this will result in a solution or even make it to court is unclear, but the threat of legal action could perhaps spur Nintendo into coming up with a fix or revision for future Joy-con releases.

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They haven't had an analog design so flawed since the N64, but this time the failure happens so much quicker when it goes that it's ridiculous.

I can't see myself ever getting a Switch until they get rid of the drift problem. If they don't ever fix it... I guess I won't ever be getting a Switch. And when Switch first came out I was 100% certain I would be getting one someday.
joycons arent needed, you get a pro controller and never worry about those 2 bastard brothers :P
 
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This isn't about Analog Drifting, all controllers eventually do it. some of my N64 controllers have the same problem.

The problem is how fast they are drifting, I replaced my main stick, then started Hollow knight using the dpad(I really love the joycon dpad), and it some how got progressively worse.

like within thirty hours, it got to the point where I had to replace the joystick before it.

I really, really hope they make a revision to the joystick, and soon.
 

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joycons arent needed, you get a pro controller and never worry about those 2 bastard brothers :P

If I had a Switch I'd be using it as a portable handheld basically exclusively. In that case joycons are all you can use afaik. 'Cause in order to use pro controller you'd have to bring along the controller plus something to prop up the Switch which would make it a whole lot less portable.

Crappy joycons really defeat the portablity of Switch, which is a huge selling point for the console. Nintendo so badly needs to fix that.
 
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[QUOTE="the Xbox 360 dpad is better then then pro controller dpad.[/QUOTE] That's really not true, however the Xbox One, Wii, Wii U, and all nintendo handhelds have better D-Pads
 

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Why no one did the same back in the Xbox360 days too grrr... All brand new Xbox 360 controllers I bought at least one joystick was always drifting away from day one jeez... never had one without that problem...

Never had that problems on Dreamcast, playstation, Xbox original or Xbox one controllers
 

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the Xbox 360 dpad is better then then pro controller dpad.
That's really not true, however the Xbox One, Wii, Wii U, and all nintendo handhelds have better D-Pads
I don't know how someone can say that the 360 d-pad is better unironically, it's notorious for being barely usable. Even the clicky stock Xbox One d-pad is a massive improvement, I kind of like the clickyness of it, it gives good input feedback.
 
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If I had a Switch I'd be using it as a portable handheld basically exclusively. In that case joycons are all you can use afaik. 'Cause in order to use pro controller you'd have to bring along the controller plus something to prop up the Switch which would make it a whole lot less portable.

Crappy joycons really defeat the portablity of Switch, which is a huge selling point for the console. Nintendo so badly needs to fix that.
there are joycons alternatives without some extras like hd rumble and such i remenber even daemon x machina has some joycons that are totaly diferemt, then you got those hori ones and such.
 

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there are joycons alternatives without some extras like hd rumble and such i remenber even daemon x machina has some joycons that are totaly diferemt, then you got those hori ones and such.
Every single one of the 3rd party JoyCons are trash that barely function correctly. Some don't even dock, so you can't charge them up with the Switch or accessories designed to charge JoyCons but instead have to use a USB cable. And all of them are extremely low quality. I don't expect the lifetime of them are gonna be any better than the 1st party ones, only difference is they may just fail outright to a degree where they're no longer usable. Even JoyCons with drift are still usable in many games.

3rd party Pro Controllers though, there is one that is extremely close to the 1st party one. The PCB inside is completely different, but the mold for the shell is likely modified from the official one (just has all references to Nintendo removed), it's that similar. And from what I hear, the sticks and buttons on them feel pretty good and the build seems to be of decent quality.
Can't say the same for any of the 3rd party JoyCons I've heard of. The Hori D-pad one is also pretty low quality, although above average for 3rd party JoyCons.

Source: YouTube reviews from a few different people on all of these.
 
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Every single one of the 3rd party JoyCons are trash that barely function correctly. Some don't even dock, so you can't charge them up with the Switch or accessories designed to charge JoyCons but instead have to use a USB cable. And all of them are extremely low quality. I don't expect the lifetime of them are gonna be any better than the 1st party ones, only difference is they may just fail outright to a degree where they're no longer usable. Even JoyCons with drift are still usable in many games.
3rd party Pro Controllers though, there is one that is extremely close to the 1st party one. The PCB inside is completely different, but the mold for the shell is likely modified from the official one (just has all references to Nintendo removed), it's that similar. And from what I hear, the sticks and buttons on them feel pretty good and the build seems to be of decent quality.
i was talking about those joycons that dont have baterys so you cant charge them lol like hori dpad joycon.

ipega grip
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upcoming hori grip
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and so on, this ones dont need to charge becuase no baterys so theyd draina bit of switch batery but with the new model coming with better batery than they are probably decent choices, tbh i dont know if ipega one has batery.
 

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Every single one of the 3rd party JoyCons are trash that barely function correctly. Some don't even dock, so you can't charge them up with the Switch or accessories designed to charge JoyCons but instead have to use a USB cable. And all of them are extremely low quality. I don't expect the lifetime of them are gonna be any better than the 1st party ones, only difference is they may just fail outright to a degree where they're no longer usable. Even JoyCons with drift are still usable in many games.

3rd party Pro Controllers though, there is one that is extremely close to the 1st party one. The PCB inside is completely different, but the mold for the shell is likely modified from the official one (just has all references to Nintendo removed), it's that similar. And from what I hear, the sticks and buttons on them feel pretty good and the build seems to be of decent quality.
Can't say the same for any of the 3rd party JoyCons I've heard of. The Hori D-pad one is also pretty low quality, although above average for 3rd party JoyCons.

Source: YouTube reviews from a few different people on all of these.
I suspect that third-party joycons will have the same problem since they use the same sticks, they're a waste of money.
 

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By far those are the best for the price:

But sadly they also have its own problems which is they only work wirelessly, battery is not amazingly great, has no rumble\motion and the buttons are switched (don't know if they ever fixed it with FW updates if it even supports...), but they totally have console like proper joysticks for a very low price.

I don't own one but ppl that tested it on youtube said it works amazing and also would be a pretty nice addition to my Nvidia Shield Tablet too... And also kinda works like a pro controller while the console is docked too even though looks a bit odd lol.
 
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i was talking about those joycons that dont have baterys so you cant charge them lol like hori dpad joycon.

ipega grip
Jxbd.jpeg


upcoming hori grip
2019-06-13-image-12.png


and so on, this ones dont need to charge becuase no baterys so theyd draina bit of switch batery but with the new model coming with better batery than they are probably decent choices, tbh i dont know if ipega one has batery.
Ahh, that's a different thing altogether, those clearly have beefier traditional sticks. I thought you meant the pretend-joycons that have the same form factor.
 

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Ahh, that's a different thing altogether, those clearly have beefier traditional sticks. I thought you meant the pretend-joycons that have the same form factor.
just mean if people are afrai of joycons not work in the future it is always an option :P
 

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Even if they win, we might get like 5 bucks per JoyCon refunded. Not enough to really matter. But I'm certainly not saying no to it.
I think when Sony lost the class action lawsuit over removing OtherOS, they had to pay like $20 to each person with an early PS3 model? That's not a lot, and that was a much more expensive device than the JoyCons are.
Though you could argue that this is more important than that was, as it impairs usage of the JoyCons at all, and therefore is worth more money... Guess we'll see.
i was talking about those joycons that dont have baterys so you cant charge them lol like hori dpad joycon.

ipega grip
Jxbd.jpeg


upcoming hori grip
2019-06-13-image-12.png


and so on, this ones dont need to charge becuase no baterys so theyd draina bit of switch batery but with the new model coming with better batery than they are probably decent choices, tbh i dont know if ipega one has batery.
iPega are known for their gaming accessories, so I guess they're decent.
The problem I see with this is that it makes it completely impossible to fit the Switch into any sort of pouch so you'd have to have the controllers outside the pouch taking up additional space. I really like the portability of the JoyCons, so that's a no go for me.
I already bring a Pro Controller around with me but the great thing about the JoyCons is that they just slot onto the Switch and go right in my pouch so I can take it out and start playing right away, no fiddling around with controllers. That might not sound like a big deal but for a handheld you really want to be able to just take it out and play, as convenience is the main benefit to handhelds, otherwise you could just use a laptop.

If they were to make a custom pouch to fit it, that would change things. Skull & Co's GripCase with the optional pouch is my daily driver and I couldn't imagine playing the Switch without them as they just make it so much more comfortable to use in handheld mode. But if they didn't make a pouch specifically for it, it would just be too much of a hassle and I'd find other options, like silicone grips (which I have a couple of, they are OK but nowhere near as good)

This would basically serve the same purpose as the GripCase (providing more comfortable grips) while also having better, full length sticks, which makes a big difference in accuracy in games like Splatoon 2. If only they made a pouch to fit it.

I suspect that third-party joycons will have the same problem since they use the same sticks, they're a waste of money.
I have a feeling the 3rd party JoyCons are actually using 3rd party manufactured stick replacements, which are about $2.50 a piece from China/HK. Being 3rd party, I imagine they're worse. You might think "how could they be worse?", but some 3rd party GameCube controllers don't last more than a few hours of playing high intensity Smash until they're useless for anything more than Mario Party.
 
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By far those are the best for the price:


But sadly they also have its own problems which is they only work wirelessly, battery is not amazingly great, has no rumble and the buttons are switched (don't know if they ever fixed it with FW updates if it even supports...), but they totally have console like proper joysticks for a very low price.

I don't own one but ppl that tested it on youtube said it works amazing and also would be a pretty nice addition to my Nvidia Shield Tablet too...
well ori ones arent out yet and i dont think they will have a batery tbh so lets wait for those, i think they advertised it alongside daemon x machina as the perfect joycons for shooting games and whatnot.
 

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I have a feeling the 3rd party JoyCons are actually using 3rd party manufactured stick replacements, which are about $2.50 a piece from China/HK. Being 3rd party, I imagine they're worse. You might think "how could they be worse?", but some 3rd party GameCube controllers don't last more than a few hours of playing high intensity Smash until they're useless for anything more than Mario Party.
To be fair, it's the design that's the problem, not the quality of the part. Who knows, maybe cheap Made in China sticks that use crap materials and fell off the conveyor belt are actually harder than original ones, that's not uncommon if the cheaper material is less precise, but also harder. They could be "unintentionally robust".
 
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As someone that had a left Joy-Con drift fresh out of the box last month - neon yellow - I filled out the form. If they need a plaintiff to sign on in the state of KY I will happily agree to do so. I don't care about the money, Nintendo needs its hand forced.
 

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To be fair, it's the design that's the problem, not the quality of the part. Who knows, maybe cheap Made in China sticks that use crap materials and fell off the conveyor belt are actually harder than original ones, that's not uncommon if the cheaper material is less precise, but also harder. They could be "unintentionally robust".
That's true. At the same time though, a lot more R&D goes into a product from a well renowned company like this, so I don't trust a 3rd party noname Chinese manufacturer to do a better job, intentionally or not. I think the main issue is that the JoyCon sticks are extremely low profile, and that limits their options. The iPega is much bulkier so they can fit standard sticks in there, which has its pros and cons.
That said, if the choice was between this and "circle pad" style analogs, I would pick an actual stick any time, even if it needs to be replaced every so often. Never liked the circle pad on the 3DS, and it was awful for Smash. Those things also started breaking down within weeks of Smash 4 releasing, even though there weren't any durability issues with them before.
 
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