A Fire Emblem: Three Houses voice actor will be replaced, following abuse allegations

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  1. chaoskagami

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    Ignoring usernames aside, a "proper man" wouldn't have to apologize because he wouldn't have done anything wrong in the first place. You don't break NDAs. You don't abuse positions of power. How hard is this to understand? The very fact that he had to apologize for something publicly means he's decidedly not a "proper man" by any stretch.
     
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  2. VartioArtel

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    Humans make mistakes, and in a man's case, owing up to them IS being a "Proper man". His ego was his mistake. You seem to think that being a 'proper man' is an absolute, That you either do it, or you're never one. But that isn't the case. Anyone can make the right decision. But admitting when one made a wrong one, made a mistake, and then aiming to change, THAT is something a "proper man" would do.

    Because an improper person, an improper man, would be stuck on their hubris, stuck in the idea they are always right. And in the process, they'd deflect, act like they never said something, never made the mistake, or act like the others are the ones making the mistake.

    This is not to say a person can't be right a lot of the time, but once someone is stuck in the loop that they are 'always' right, they've already lost.

    Like I said, I am disappointed at Chris Niosi. But I appreciate he's growing as a person. What he's doing is the proper thing, something a proper man would do.
     
  3. H1B1Esquire

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    Earth, bro-dude.
    You know how favoritism and setups "work"; welcome to life on Earth with humans.
     
  4. JinTrigger

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    I'm just gonna point out that none of these companies care about you and your abuse. Shit like this has been going on for years and the only reason action is being taken in this age is because there is a risk for money to be lost in the midst of protest and what not.

    Abuse of any kind is bad and people should be punished for it. Can abusers change and be better people? Yes and if that wasn't the case I'd wouldn't be where I am today. When all you hear is that you will be a piece of shit no matter what you do then you, of course, will remain to be shit. I'm not saying abusers should just be able to apologize and walk away, but after their punishment, they should be offered a chance to redeem themselves. If rehabilitation was the goal instead of punishment this world would be a lot better.

    I think it is unfair to tell someone that their life was not ruined by their abuse based on your standards. You clearly have no idea what that can do to a person mentally. I do believe part of the healing process should be to forgive your abusers, but that takes time and cannot be fixed by a simple apologize. You mention the life-crippling fallout from being the abuser but do you realize that's the same shit they do to their abusee? People who are abused don't feel self worth or self esteem. With your thoughts on the matter I wonder what you believe should be his punishment.
     
  5. notimp

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    I cannot help but feel, that everything about the public reaction in this case is entirely wrong and largely problematic.

    First off. If you are in an abusive relationship. Leave. Seriously. Even if psychologically hard (because the other part might do all the thinking for you, and that actually develops dependance (even if you might feel cared for at first)). Seriously leave.

    What are you waiting for? That you get children, and now have more reasons to stay?

    If - as in this case, of a publicly drawn out relationship battle, you get dumped, and then complain - that your previous partner never accepted your pleas not to be touched and taken advantage of - every day - after work - thats a serious case of "oh - they abused me so hard, I got really mad, when they left me". In that case - most of the blame has to be directed at you - not the abusive partner, because only that way you get people to realize, that yes, you should - and you have to end abusive relationships on your own - if you get abused.

    The other part of the story where this becomes 'person almost raped me, when I was drunk, only my friends prevented it'. Two answers. Don't get so drunk where this would ever become seriously an issue. At least not without friends around, that could do something about it. Thats just life advice. In this case it sufficiently paints the other person as an amoral predator, which absolutely seems to be correct in this case - but then again, this solves nothing - if you don't get together in groups of 20 and then start to recollect tales of woes and abuse directed at one person - in a public forum.

    Which brings me to - "getting together and recollecting tales of woes and abuse about one person in a public forum" - are you kidding? Whats your goal here? Do you want to destroy that person?

    Are you mad?

    Its entirely sufficient if you get together, and tell those stories, very matter of factly - if it was non actionable emotional abuse. Starting to get all of your friends together, and in very personal anecdotes recount tales of woe with that person - on a public platform like twitter, only means, that you got your friends together, and now are out to publicly destroy that person.

    And we are not talking about loss of job only - we are talking about f*cking destroying a person. This is not a case of where a person is dodging legal harm, by not being able to be endicted for sexual harassment charges, no, this is a case - where you and a few friends are out there, never planning on handing this over as a matter of law - but only to f*cking destroying a person.


    Here is how that logic goes. "But he did so with us as well --" NOT, a sufficient excuse.

    And for every person on every one of those four pages, getting off on this - you have so much to learn in your life, and I think you are wrong for dragging this out anywhere - beyond where it belongs - which is a friends circle.

    As far as I can tell, that person did not abuse a position of 'power' or reknown - related to their job, so why is now everyone cheering about a public denounciation campaign, that lost that person their job, and was written out of work they already had done. Because you now see that as a justified reaction because of the meetoo movement?

    Which was all about structural abuse of power, from public powerful figures? Which warrented public callouts. Arguably. Did you miss that part?

    Do you think that its now fine to do that with every joe shmoe, that acts like an asshole?

    I'm asking, because I read over three of his "appologies", and they struck me as coming from a human being that had given up - I mean, he felt the need to f*cking denounce his behavior in every sense. Not having been a good friend, not having been attentitive - its a f*cking list of a person repenting, being human.

    Because - apparently his friendcircle felt the need to destroy them in public.

    And at that point, regardless what that person has done (or rather hasn't - because nothing with legal ramifications), whats f*cking wrong with that friend circle?

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    Honestly - if that was any other public company - besides Nintendo, who work on their own set of 'moral believes', where acting like children in public, celebrating with their employees in "tree house clubs" you invite the public to visit - is a 'wonderfully normal thing' - and not at all weird behavior -

    the correct reaction to this one would have been to disregard it as a public matter entirely.

    And that this is now possible to be 'actionable' because of twitter conversations - and thanks to also gbatemp (and other news outlets) can now be used to destroy that person for life (just google his name in 10 years), is kind of more of an issue, than a moral virtue.
     
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  6. napalamman

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    Ah Social Justice...this will be the end of logic of humanity one day. Thanks you Disney for empowering social justice warriors around the Globe. :whip:
     
  7. VartioArtel

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    I am quite aware. That you imply I am shows your ignorance of my experience on both ends of the aisle. The suffering I went through realizing how badly I treated my ex-GF (Note: not physical abuse. I just... ignored her, talked rudely to her, and hung with other ladies and she found out). My Ex-GF was set on telling all my friends how I acted with her and that hurt me for years. I am intimately familiar with being on both ends of the aisle of abuser and abused because of my own childish mistakes in my life. This was about 15 years ago, and haunts me to this day.

    That Ex-GF eventually forgave me, after I spent years upon years of tormenting myself. I still look back at my mistake in our relationship and try to be a better man than I was then. Even now, she tells me that I need to forgive myself, because I still can't get over what I did. What Renhei was saying, is akin to saying that I should never be forgiven, and hurts me on a personal level because I know exactly how Chris Niosi feels now. He made a mistake, and he wishes to change. He continually is posting things that says he's making the effort to change. What he's going through, if he wants to change, should not be met with
    Ever.

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    I can tell you, whatever Chris did, it does not compare to the pain and suffering that he's receiving now. What he did was comparatively private, he wasn't going around contacting all of his victims friends and family, telling them to despise them or the sort. Yes, he degraded their self worth, but far as we know, he did not actually sexually assault people (he asked if she wanted sex while she (they?) were drunk at her birthday, he forgot (or so he claims) she put a flat no rule on that, and she still told him no far as I can perceive from their posts), he did not go to their work and convince them to fire them. He didn't make them feel absolutely worthless as human beings with no hope in the world.

    What's happening now is that they are abusing the court of public opinion to ruin his life in ways he can never recover from. They are trying to ruin his life from every angle and aspect. And that? He doesn't deserve that. It's crippling in ways you cannot even begin to imagine.

    This is deeper than you realize, and being a person who made severe fuckups in my own life, what I say is honestly what I believe: you need to make the right decisions to redeem yourself, and to that end, Niosi is showing all the right signs. He is being a proper man about all of this.
     
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  8. Ev1l0rd

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    ...are they trying to ruin his life? He admitted it. The replacement itself has more to do with the fact that as a part of his apology, he revealed/admitted to breaking his NDA to Nintendo.

    Whilst it's not hard to see the reason they publicized this decision with the surrounding allegations around him, the reasoning for firing him is rather sensible taking this into account. Replacement is just done for consistency for DLC and in Heroes in case they need to record more lines.

    People being fired or dropped for NDA breaches is nothing new, and quite honestly, in this case he should be lucky they didn't get further litigious as that is definetly an option for Nintendo.
     
  9. JinTrigger

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    You clearly missed the point of my last post. I stated how people who do wrong deserve redemption, not punishment. My issue was that you told someone else that they didn't have a "ruined life" based on points you listed out...You don't tell a person who has or is going through abuse that their life wasn't ruined. How can you determine that? How can you determine how the abused messed them up? I understand you like the guy, but you seem more concerned with the abuser then you do his victims. You never answered my question though...What should be his punishment for abuse...sexual or not? If nothing bad was happening to him, but he still confessed what would you think is fair? How should he be held accountable because just saying sorry I'll do better isn't enough....it usually never is.
     
  10. VartioArtel

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    Yes. People are trying to ruin his life, and make it worse. This should have been kept to private, not have his Ex-GF post it on Twitter to publically shame him. Now people are taking the context we have and thinking he flat out tried raping her on her birthday while he(they?) were drunk. We don't know if they were kissing, hugging, foreplay, or what, just that she implies he was acting like he had 'implicit consent', which could have been anything up to and including rape as to what he was doing to her. We don't know. This is *not* our game field, and we as spectators should not be trying to actually imply what punishments Kirb should get.

    And I know he was fired for NDA. I have never once said he hasn't. But it takes one special instance of a 'mistold tale' to blow things out of proportion which drives public opinion in the wrong way. Remember the Pokemon Sword & Shield controversy. For a while it got worse because someone posted a mistranslation saying they were making entirely new models for the game, even though they already had new models from Sun&Moon. Now imagine that these misinformations got loose on purpose?


    There's nothing I can do for the victims. Nothing I could say think or feel that will make their situation better. All I can do is try to get the people like Ren on page 2 to lay off wanting him to figuratively die. That's where this whole thing started from. Quite frankly, I have no sympathy for people who take things to the public court of Twitter where people are more likely to lampoon for any little thing with no evidence. Beyond that, what do you expect from me here to do for the victims? You expect me to go into a tirade into how he should die? He's already suffering as I've said on page 2, he is going to need to rebuild his career.

    There was a time when if you were sexually assaulted, you just took it to the police. You didn't take it to twitter. If the girlfriend was that insistent on it as she claims, she'd have reported it to the police and had him take his 2-4 years in prison and $10,000 fine (based on sexual assault). That honestly is what she SHOULD have done. And his jobs and credibility would be shot, and he'd have to start over anyhow. Like this, what has she done? She's gotten him fired... and that's it. He doesn't pay a fine, he doesn't go 2-4 years in jail.

    If it isn't clear to you yet: He's already gotten the punishment he deserved the moment he apologized and lost credibility in the industry. Anything more since he posted that apology is just excessive and cruel. If people expected anything more, then maybe they should have taken him to court, instead of posting it on twitter.
     
  11. JinTrigger

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    If you don't understand how we have gotten to this point as a society then you are apart of the problem.
     
  12. Ev1l0rd

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    Whilst I agree that we shouldn't be the one to decide or imply what punishments should be imposed on someone (we have a litigious system on that), one does need to keep in mind that if we applied your logic to all similar situations, you're essentially telling abuse victims that it's not okay to speak up about their history of being abused if their abuser has a public reputation... which is something that I find to say the least giving me a yikes.
     
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  13. notimp

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    Two points. You are not him in this situation. :)

    And we don't know what triggered his current state of remorse. But yes when reading through those short texts - a vague sense of this person is in a serious psychopathological episode right now - was the first thing that came to my mind as well.

    Which is why regardless of outcome, public interest (low), 'sense of justice', or something else you dont do - or promote, what people are doing here.


    No one is asking for sympathy here (at least I am not), we all just agree, that you dont publicaly lynch people (or their reputations), for non actionable offenses.

    This sense of 'justice' helps no one. Nor does it prevent those things from happening.

    In the metoo case the point was made, that because of high public interest and the abused positions of power, granted to certain people by the public - we had to lynch people - before they could be convicted. To strip them of their 'special status'.

    There is no special status here.

    If you just start to do this to every person you'd like to - we have a problem the scale of "law says - innocent until proven guilty" for a reason. Namely to minimize abuse, false accusations, logic fallacies of "he will do it again, I'm certain", precrime, social stigma because of peer group accusations, generating not actual societal taboos - but simply cases of people that get ostracized...

    The list goes on.
     
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  14. 2DSGamerdude

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    since byelth does not talk much outside of some lines (minor even then), I don't see any issue with the old VA,
    tho nintendo will defiantly patch it out in a future update to the game with the new VA.

    what someone does outride the VA work shouldn't cause hate for the art or media associated with them,
    I mean when the creator of Rurouni kenshin got jailed for child porn, some people where like:

    "oh, im not wathcing the series anymore cause the creator's a prevert".

    what the art/media is and the creator's actions shouldn't impact the medium The medium is great as it's own thing separate from the artist.
    and should be seen as such.

    I mean despite RK's creator being what he is, what he made was/is awesome and im stilling watching/rewatching it regardless of the fact that the person'actions.

    so, same with FE' byleth, I'll play FE TH despite this issue, it'll be patched out eventually, so who cares in the end?
     
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