Ok first off I have been doing alot of reading on this site lately and have not found a concrete answer yet. This is the only question I've ever had to ask. Most of the problems that Ive ran into in the past have been fixed by just reading but not this time. Im sorry if an answer has been posted but Ive been at this for days now. My problems started when I wanted to play Punch Out. My wii has a Wiikey V1 installed and has been updated to 3.2e or 3.2u (cant remember which). I have never used the twilight hack or anything else except for the wiikey updates, the last one being 1.9s. So the next step was to upgrade to 4.0 so I could play the game. But not before some reading to make sure I didnt screw up. I found a thread that explained that I should put The HBC on first using a 4.0 softmod package that I found. I wasnt real sure of myself and just followed some advice that I found that stated that once I got the HBC on I should put IOS60patched.wad using wadmanager 1.3 and then ciosrev10(filename IOS36-64-v1042).I did this and then let my wii connect to the interent and did a system update. This updated to 4.0 I then decided that i would try out a VC game and tried to use wadmanager. But I keep getting the 2011 error. Ive tried both versions of wadmanager 1.3 and 1.4 but still get the same error. Ive even tried using the banner exploit and using wadmanager as boot.dol without HBC. Now from what Ive read so far, It looks like I skipped a couple of steps by not installing previous versions of cios or IOS's first. Is this correct? Is there any way around this? Is there hope in the future if not? Could someone please explain how the cios/ IOS's work in layman's terms for me? And I was going to help my younger brother do his system. He has the same setup at update 3.2 with wiikeyV1 and 1.9s firmware. What should i do differently this time and in what order? If Im asking a dumb question or doing something totally wrong please let me know. This little hobby has gotten much more complicated lately. Thank you very much in advance for any help you guys can offer.