Hacking 3DS may spell end to Ninty's piracy woes.

[Deleted User]

The technology is actually ARM TrustZone, the same AP technology built directly into the iPhone's chip. Google it and all will become clear. It IS virtually 'unhackable'.

*cough cough* Jailbreak *cough*

And yes, we are selfish...but Ninty ain't putting their games out there for the sake of altruism. Pirate away on everything piratable, piratey pirates!!!

And btw....CD and DVD companies attach a levy to blank CDs and DVDs to compensate musicians and movie makers, respectively for lost revenue; I imagine the same is, or at least could be true for games.

*cough* Jailbreak doesn't solve EVERYTHING *cough* Sorry, what?

It certainly makes the iphone not so 'virtually' unhackable as you think.

I don't think that, as I am the proud owner of an iPhone 3GS (Jailbroken) and an iPhone 4. Jailbreak doesn't solve everything ; the only thing it solved was my ability to kill Nazi Zombies on the tube.

 

[Deleted User]

yes... the dsi certainly seem uncrackable atm... whats with that?Barely anybody working on it.

QUOTE(doyama @ Jul 18 2010, 01:02 PM) The fact that it hasn't been done yet, would seem to indicate that it's much more difficult than people imagine.

My copy-paste on DSi hacking.

The DSi uses 128-bit encryption (IIRC).
How do you break it? You find the correct encryption key.

How many encryption keys are there? 2 (binary, a bit) to the 128th power (number of bits), divided by 8 (8 bits in a byte).
That's so many that the calculator that comes with windows (at least XP) can't even display the number without reverting to scientific notation.

128-bits is...
340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 possible values in binary.
However, Since there's 8 bits in a byte, you divide 128 by 8 and get 16. That's 16 bytes, 16 characters.
That's 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 possible values, ranging from 0x0000000000000000 to 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. Eighteen quintillion possible keys.
The actual number is a bit less less since a key will be a certain number of digits and be designed to not have repeating segments, but this puts it in perspective.

Let's say that you have a computer program which can try 50,000 unique keys a second.
That's 3,000,000 keys a minute.
180,000,000 keys in an hour.
4,320,000,000 keys a day.
1,576,800,000,000 keys in one year.

It would take 11,698,848 years to try all the keys at that speed.

So wait, how do they break other systems? If you can get a direct copy of the encrypted data and compare it to a copy of the unencrypted data (as well as view the data as it's transmitted around the DSi's internals), that goes a long way towards figuring out the key without having to try all possible combinations. You'll be able to find the key without all the guessing! The problem is you'd need to take a DSi apart and fuck with it's insides while it's on to try to get a copy of the data while it's unencrypted (since the DSi will unencrypt what it needs on the fly in order to use it), and usually when you're done with that the DSi's pretty broken and in no shape to game, or even to be experimented on a second time...

This process can be hampered by the internal design of the system, so you may need to take apart many systems before you even figure out how to read some of the data, let alone get a full copy of it, and last I checked DSi's don't cost $5...

Yes, I see that, but what's the reqars for hacking DSi mode? iCarly with a few more megs of RAM and 10 more processor cycles? I can see many geeks out there typing away at the rate of 1,00,000,000 keys per second to break 3D AP. Why? For recognition. For a virtual pat-on-the-back. For money. What do you get for hacking DSi mode? An angry letter from Iwata (well, you might get that for the former suggestion also) and a free blowjob from Miyamoto.

 

[solofrags]

previously, the speech was not the same? full protection! and the game boy advance and others have had a supercard! Why Nintendo can not find the plants productions linker, I wonder

 

[taktularCBo]

previously, the speech was not the same? full protection! and the game boy advance and others have had a supercard! Why Nintendo can not find the plants productions linker, I wonder

Because its between legal and illegal what they do, so Nintendo can't fight them in most Countries, but whats really illegal is to download and play commercial games.
Flash-Cards are officially sold for homebrew (at least in west-europe).

 

[Styles420]

Wouldn't the best method of anti-piracy be to stop the shovelware?

Strictly speaking, the best way to stop piracy is to produce only shovelware.

Lol too true, but is killing your business entirely really a win? Sure, no one will pirate if it's all crap, but no one will want legit copies either...

 

[Midna]

I have some questions!

1) If every game will be the key, how can we do? (For download)

2) Does the iphone is already crack (download games ....)

3) The 3ds is not hackable, it is not simply an argument to reassure developers? If old phones have been cracked, why should not it continue?

1) If you got to activate the game with a code coming with it to play it, if it's not ran before on your 3DS.
Than my theory is just Dump the game, change the key inside the ROM with a HEX editor or a Tool. After cracking that game's protection ofcourse.

Unless they check up the codes online, that is. (Which they won't because otherwise some, to a lot, of people couldn't start their game(s).)
What Nintendo could do is, let's not bring Nintendo up to idea's even more until its 'hacked'.

2) Afaik its hacked already yes.

3) ...

You actually think that? You're pretty naive.

We will see what the Anti Piracy is like.

 

[ether2802]

It wont be hackeable cuz it wont have a NAND to read the information from, so wich info you need to crack or hack...???

....magic, ah..!!

 

[VmprHntrD]

Time it will take, and probably quite a lot. The DSi itself has not been busted, though DS games obviously anyone here knows has. Whatever they learned from all the pirate cards and other thieve hackers by doing a lot of research was how to lock down that DSiware insanely well. Whatever forms of encryption on the system and I imagine the games as well they're using seems highly effective as they can talk to each other well, just not talk to other devices/apps so well to get them out there for moochers. Given the DSi has been out there a bit, and they're learning more and more from their mistakes with the DS and GBA era high levels of thievery I'm sure they got something far more insidious planned on the 3DS and 3DSware, etc they got cooked up.

All the more power to them, they don't need to have what happened to the PSP happen to them too. PSP has become the hypocritical pirates poster child for 'why is there never good stuff to get -- oh yeah stole so much the companies gave up trying.'

 

[KyuubiNarut0]

Keep on bluffin' Nintendo, you won't be able to stop piracy. There will always be someone who's able to crack the whole thing.
YOU CAN'T STOP IT!

Anyways, I don't see the good side of the 3DS, Nintendo has shown that they're not good at making HQ-games.
This may be better than a DS' quality, but it won't be better then a PSP.

SONY FTW!

Sony is far better then any game console at the quality of games. The things they will include in the PS4 is far beyond the quality of other consoles.

 

[Rydian]

Whatever they learned from all the pirate cards and other thieve hackers by doing a lot of research was how to lock down that DSiware insanely well. Whatever forms of encryption on the system and I imagine the games as well they're using seems highly effective

Actually IIRC the DS doesn't encrypt the games, which is the reason the DS/Lite can run a flash cart happily, and a DSi/XL will run it if the flash cart just gives it some correct title/icon data. I mean that's just like telling the bartender you're 21, and he believes you.

But now it actually checks for an ID, and it's not telling you what sort of ID it's checking for...

 

[Adr990]

I have some questions!

1) If every game will be the key, how can we do? (For download)

2) Does the iphone is already crack (download games ....)

3) The 3ds is not hackable, it is not simply an argument to reassure developers? If old phones have been cracked, why should not it continue?

1) If you got to activate the game with a code coming with it to play it, if it's not ran before on your 3DS.
Than my theory is just Dump the game, change the key inside the ROM with a HEX editor or a Tool. After cracking that game's protection ofcourse.

Unless they check up the codes online, that is. (Which they won't because otherwise some, to a lot, of people couldn't start their game(s).)
What Nintendo could do is, let's not bring Nintendo up to idea's even more until its 'hacked'.

2) Afaik its hacked already yes.

3) ...

You actually think that? You're pretty naive.

We will see what the Anti Piracy is like.

Nintendo games also come with Nintendo Club codes different for everyone.

Why it's naive? If I where Nintendo I would make a combination for it with PS3 protection and this.
So you also prevent second hand sales. =/= More money.

 

[ether2802]

Whatever they learned from all the pirate cards and other thieve hackers by doing a lot of research was how to lock down that DSiware insanely well. Whatever forms of encryption on the system and I imagine the games as well they're using seems highly effective

Actually IIRC the DS doesn't encrypt the games, which is the reason the DS/Lite can run a flash cart happily, and a DSi/XL will run it if the flash cart just gives it some correct title/icon data. I mean that's just like telling the bartender you're 21, and he believes you.

But now it actually checks for an ID, and it's not telling you what sort of ID it's checking for...

Mmmmmmmm.... oficial ID..?? Passport..?? military card...?? birth certificate...?? please tell me, I'm thirsty and want a beer right NOW...!!

 

[.Chris]

Y'know what they should do?

1.

Spoiler

Go with the flow. Try making discs so we can burn games easily. Make their own USB/SD/Disc loaders/Flashcarts and USB drives. First of all, the would make money by selling these products, and two, the products would be licensed by Nintendo.

2.

Spoiler

Use the Flashcart firmwares to make their own "Anti-Virus" to block the flashcart firmwares.

 

[ether2802]

I really believe that "N" is the owner of all of the flashcards, that is why they know how much they've been stolen, cause they get more money from flashcards than from the games, considering many people have more than 1 card per system...!!

 

[Melly Pix]

everything's hackable
to go farther than limitations allow you
thus the point of hacking
the more sophisticated the technology
the longer it takes to figure out and bypass through the hacking process
3ds will be POPULAR
like the ds was
it will be hacked =\
just give it time

 

[Midna]

Nice poem.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

The 3DS will be so good..


we will feel happy and confident knowing we bought a good game...

not the unsure we just bought a piece of shit that we will beat in a few days or be unhappy with in a few hours

WE WON'T NEED TO PIRATE

 

[amptor]

Yes cruddybuddy. And I believe with the advent of the next generation of television gaming consoles, each company will be better prepared and there won't be any piracy. But who knows. Nobody pirates PS3 (yes I know rebuttle to that but look, even if you copy the bluray can you play it? no) but I think next time around Microsoft will combat piracy and Nintendo? who knows. maybe nintendo will wise up one day might take them a couple more generations. Wii anti piracy measures were laughable at best. That thing was cracked wide open in literally no time at all.

 

[Salax]

Y'know what they should do?

1.

Spoiler

Go with the flow. Try making discs so we can burn games easily. Make their own USB/SD/Disc loaders/Flashcarts and USB drives. First of all, the would make money by selling these products, and two, the products would be licensed by Nintendo.

Also, EA should offer keygen downloads on their website.

 

[Overman1977]

The 3DS will be so good..


we will feel happy and confident knowing we bought a good game...

not the unsure we just bought a piece of shit that we will beat in a few days or be unhappy with in a few hours

WE WON'T NEED TO PIRATE

But we still will.