1. chris888222

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    To me, smart companies will only release their cart AFTER the update of the eShop and browser, even if they have managed to hack the 3DS in 3DS mode long ago.

    Patience is virtue... huh? [​IMG]
     
  2. MeritsAlone

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    Well, this is in some ways positive and negative, positive for pirates, negative for Nintendo.
    Im guessing they will try to stop these flashcarts as much as possible in the start and later on they will just become lazy and maybe release a patch for them once per four-five months.
     
  3. erothrax

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    This isn't a 3DS flashcart.

    It's a DS flash cart, which runs using the DS software. If anything Nintendo probably hardly changed the DS mode protection, they probably just did the same as they do every DSi update.

    They haven't hacked the 3DS software yet, just as they didn't hack the DSi software.
     
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    MAN!! and many were saying, give it 6-12 months and the 3ds will be hacked... who knew DS mode was not fixed correctly by nintendo until now
    it seems like the ps3 and psp phenomenon whereby they have no choice on the console as the ds mechanism has been compromised which would make nintendo's decision to allow backward compatibility a bad one
    or maybe they dont find it too threatening for them as the ds was already hacked and ds is gonna start declining in games and sales
    they must have pushed the 3ds security high but not the ds as much
     
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    DS mode should be relatively easy to 'hack' on the 3DS.

    The main thing though, is 3DS MODE.
     
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    You really think Nintendo would just make the same mistake twice? Nintendo didn't include some features and there's just this random hole in there system. Nintendo is just waiting for flashcard teams to get rid of them in the next update. Nintendo isn't just some new company, they know what they are doing. More than likely Nintendo also has some other plan on their hands like not allowing online play if you don't update or something to force people to have to update.
     
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    They already did.
    Case dismissed.
     
  9. flamingo24

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    The 3DS is backwards compatible with the DS and therefore accepts classic DS carts. The DSi firmware updates have proven to be easily circumvented, keeping in mind it still runs in DS mode. We have yet to see a DSi mode flash linker or for that matter a 3DS flash linker. With this in mind I'm really not all that surprised from the current development. Nintendo's AP goal is to protect 3DS games as they phase out the DS in favor of 3DS as was done with the GBA when the DS was released. I guess only time will tell if/when a new generation of flash linkers for the 3DS will see the light.
     
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    Their only mistake was using the same firmware on the DSi XL. I doubt this news will last very long.
     
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    Pic of the month.
     
  12. erothrax

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    Precisely what I was trying to say. They probably barely increased the DS-mode security on the 3DS outside of another update just like they do in the DSi firmware.

    You could also look at it like this; if they spent money developing a new security system for DS-mode and then implemented it, they would potentially lose early 3DS sales as people would just stay with the DS system and continue playing pirated DS games on those. Trying to prevent DS game piracy now is a lost cause, so they might as well focus entirely on continuing to protect DSi and 3DS only features and software, so that people buy the system for that and also play their pirated DS games on it.
     
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    Why are people incapable of reading the thread? [​IMG]
    Just like your only mistake is presuming that you know how this works.
    The 3DS uses the same protection, but not the same firmware. The reason for that is as follows:
    DS games need to be backwards compatible with the DS, so additional protection cannot be added (note the DS is completely wide open)
    and for DSiMode, 100% effective anti-piracy protection, which would involve checking everything on boot, would result in very very slow loading times - and doing that partially is easy to circumvent (it's how the first AP method worked, pretty much)

    The anti-piracy protection THQ were talking about is on 3DSmode, where the carts can comply with the newly created standard - i.e. this update isn't really that amazing, it's something that I was, and many others were, anticipating.

    EDIT: indeed erothrax
     
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    not sure if this has already been posted, theres 11 pages and i dont fancy an epic read right now.

    but Nintendo is fully aware what the flashcards teams are up to. which is exactly why a world wide update is scheduled for May. So the teams are working away hard now trying to crack the software, which dont get me wrong is excellent. But they might as well wait for May right? and crack it then, Plus, the video just shows normal NDS games.....! Might as well just stick to a DS right. Can 3DS games even be dumped? have they been dumped yet?
     
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    Ok wow, who knew that they would be the first team to make their flashcart work on 3DS? This is awesome. It proves that R4iDSN stands out from the other clones. Hell, I don't think it would be right to call it a clone. Only thing I can say is good job.
     
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    Can we please look at the 3DS as 2 complete systems in 1 package. It's a DS & a 3DS in one. Getting the 3DS to play DS Flashcarts is not in my opinion a hack. In fact I think it's a win/win here. I'm sure Nintendo has told its developers that it's biggest efforts are going to be futureproofing their system by concentrating their security efforts on the 3DS side of things. IF they could have beefed up the security for the DS side then it would have already happened on current gen systems. The reason I say win/win is they know that the DS's vulnerabilities would be overcome quickly by flashcart makers. They also realize that by doing so they will sell buttloads more 3DS's to people knowing they can port their cards over. This way they can tell the developers the staggering number of 3DS's sold is more reason to develop 3DS games. I am certain they have already warned all developers that this was likely going to happen to DS mode and happen very quickly.
     
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    That's a very 2 Dimensional way of thinking (No pun intended). If people can run DSi flashcarts on the 3DS, then they will flock to it. Moreover, if people know DSi flashcarts will work on the 3DS, they will think a 3DS flashcart is soon coming. Because of this, it's actually good for Nintendo as more likely than not going to make more 3DS sales than was originally planned. Moreover, there will be those who realize this isn't true, and will buy DS' to play flashcarts because they can't play them on the 3DS.
     
  18. chris888222

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    Well, I bet they even OWN flashcarts to test if they are working on the OS or not.

    If not, how can the dstwo even be blocked??
     
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    Completely agree, it makes sense that Nintendo would want the majority of people who own the DS to upgrade to the 3DS even if they are using flash carts.

    They just have to add in little updates to the firmware like they did to the DSi to "protect" DS mode for the shareholders sake, whilst they are actually focusing the majority of their effort on protecting the 3DS mode and features.
     
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    Do u guys remember that there was a NINTENDO 3DS LEAKED out of the factory a couple of weeks ago?Maybe...it was given to the R4DS Team, for a very good price, haha...thats the only way it got broken so fast...
     
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