Homebrew [33c3] Console Hacking 2016 (3DS/WiiU) talk Dec 27-30: smea, derrek, nedwill, naehrwert

[rrocha]

for now, downgrade = DSiWare hax. Since all the games have been pulled, we are left with the same old sys tranfer (if you have any of those games) or hardmod. Maybe we'll get there once sighax is implemented in the future. Until then, enjoy the legit CIAs and all the nice homebrew like the emulators and so on

 

[raulpica]

Sorry for my late X-mas present guys, but @hacksn5s4 has finally been banned

Also, please don't steer this thread off-topic with enthusiastic posts about hacksn5s4 being banned - those would just be removed and cause more work for us mods. You guys can create a thread in the EoF or something if you really want.

Now back on topic, thanks

 

[TotalInsanity4]

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So, if I'm understanding correctly, if I'm over 11.0 stock, the best I'm going to get is user land and potentially ARM11 homebrew? And if I wanted to install titles I would still have to send my 3DS in to get DSiware downgraded and/or hard modded?

 

[VashTS]

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So, if I'm understanding correctly, if I'm over 11.0 stock, the best I'm going to get is user land and potentially ARM11 homebrew? And if I wanted to install titles I would still have to send my 3DS in to get DSiware downgraded and/or hard modded?

Thats the way it seems. At least hard mod is feasible. o3DSXL is very easy to hard mod with OK soldering skills. Putting it permanently is a bitch but if you just want to haxx and done, then hard mod works for me.

I heard new 3ds systems were more difficult but I've yet to crack one open. I just hope I'm not misunderstanding it, I'm hoping that we can hardmod and haxx without needing the HBL at all. all pc based.

 

[gkoelho]

Thats the way it seems. At least hard mod is feasible. o3DSXL is very easy to hard mod with OK soldering skills. Putting it permanently is a bitch but if you just want to haxx and done, then hard mod works for me.

I heard new 3ds systems were more difficult but I've yet to crack one open. I just hope I'm not misunderstanding it, I'm hoping that we can hardmod and haxx without needing the HBL at all. all pc based.

a Hardmod will bruteforce a new firm so its all pc related. after soldering.

 

[VashTS]

a Hardmod will bruteforce a new firm so its all pc related. after soldering.

My concern is that hacking a hard modded dump is going to need something from the donor 3ds besides the dump? or am i wrong to think that with sighax?

smea and other users here have said yes when i asked if we can : factory -> hard mod -> dump -> modify dump -> restore -> boot with no issues. this means we can potentially fix bricks with no prior backups.

I basically want to rebuild the 3ds nand from PC - that is the ultimate hack. then no matter what you do to that 3ds file system, it is always 100% able to be restored with proper hard mod. this is what i need to repair a broken 3ds i own.

 

[metroid maniac]

My concern is that hacking a hard modded dump is going to need something from the donor 3ds besides the dump? or am i wrong to think that with sighax?

smea and other users here have said yes when i asked if we can : factory -> hard mod -> dump -> modify dump -> restore -> boot with no issues. this means we can potentially fix bricks with no prior backups.

I basically want to rebuild the 3ds nand from PC - that is the ultimate hack. then no matter what you do to that 3ds file system, it is always 100% able to be restored with proper hard mod. this is what i need to repair a broken 3ds i own.

You need to know the console's FIRM xorpad.
You can determine the xorpad if you know the version of FIRM that is installed and the FIRM is not corrupted.

That's just for installing sighax, nothing about restoring the filesystem afterwards

 

[Mrrraou]

My concern is that hacking a hard modded dump is going to need something from the donor 3ds besides the dump? or am i wrong to think that with sighax?

smea and other users here have said yes when i asked if we can : factory -> hard mod -> dump -> modify dump -> restore -> boot with no issues. this means we can potentially fix bricks with no prior backups.

I basically want to rebuild the 3ds nand from PC - that is the ultimate hack. then no matter what you do to that 3ds file system, it is always 100% able to be restored with proper hard mod. this is what i need to repair a broken 3ds i own.

you need a localfriendseed, a secureinfo, the otp of the console, etc

 

[Deleted member 350372]

If you have A9LH right now, sighax is effectively the same thing, but it bypasses the initial FIRM load, so it might reduce boot time by a bit.

If you don't have A9LH, sighax will allow something similar to A9LH but without the OTP. And as an added bonus, since sighax lets you completely replace FIRM, the OTP won't be locked out, so sighax can be used to dump the OTP.

Umm. About not having A9LH, wouldn't it be impossible to flash a CFW without any other kernel exploits for arm11 and/or arm9 beforehand? Seems kinda odd to me how this could work without hardmodding it.

Also in addition arm11 userspace isn't powerful enough to flash permanent CFW to replace OFW.

 

[GerbilSoft]

Umm. About not having A9LH, wouldn't it be impossible to flash a CFW without any other kernel exploits for arm11 and/or arm9 beforehand? Seems kinda odd to me how this could work without hardmodding it.

Also in addition arm11 userspace isn't powerful enough to flash permanent CFW to replace OFW.

Yeah, you'd still need some way to get access to NAND, which requires either ARM9 kernel access, a DSiWare exploit, or a hardmod.

 

[Deleted member 350372]

Yeah, you'd still need some way to get access to NAND, which requires either ARM9 kernel access, a DSiWare exploit, or a hardmod.

Ahh okay. Got it. Thx.

 

[VashTS]

You need to know the console's FIRM xorpad.
You can determine the xorpad if you know the version of FIRM that is installed and the FIRM is not corrupted.

That's just for installing sighax, nothing about restoring the filesystem afterwards

Thanks for the info - I'm still not 100% sure of how sighax works though...

so you basically install sighax to a nand dump using PC? then what happens on the 3ds side of things? you'd still need HBL from there to install CIAs?

i have a 3ds that cannot access HBL using current methods (hoping soundhax might be a solution but doesn't work on o3ds yet). i need to re-install the system CIAs but since i can't get into HBL, i cannot install. its on 10.3 (partially downgraded to 9.2).

i'm sure i'll get more answers in time, but i appreciate any info!

 

[metroid maniac]

Thanks for the info - I'm still not 100% sure of how sighax works though...

so you basically install sighax to a nand dump using PC? then what happens on the 3ds side of things? you'd still need HBL from there to install CIAs?

i have a 3ds that cannot access HBL using current methods (hoping soundhax might be a solution but doesn't work on o3ds yet). i need to re-install the system CIAs but since i can't get into HBL, i cannot install. its on 10.3 (partially downgraded to 9.2).

i'm sure i'll get more answers in time, but i appreciate any info!

Once sighax is installed, you can run all your arm9 utilities (Godmode9, Decrypt9, Hourglass9, CFWs).

 

[GerbilSoft]

so you basically install sighax to a nand dump using PC? then what happens on the 3ds side of things? you'd still need HBL from there to install CIAs?

After installing sighax via hardmod or other method, sighax would chainload a CFW like Luma3DS (possibly using the same method as A9LH), at which point you can use the various ARM9 tools to inject FBI into Health & Safety and proceed from there.

EDIT: 2slo :V

 

[jackb994]

To the end user what advantages does sighax over a9lh.

 

[metroid maniac]

To the end user what advantages does sighax over a9lh.

It's easier to install.

That's about it.

 

[jackb994]

It's easier to install.

That's about it.

Alright

 

[zoogie]

It's easier to install.

That's about it.

Keep in mind that whenever N gets their head out of their rear and fixes nfirm downgrading, it will be the only way to install perm a9 hax.

 

[Deleted User]

Is fasthax just the fast version of slowhax ?

 

[zoogie]

Is fasthax just the fast version of slowhax ?

It's different but kinda related. The main thing is, it's an "in-joke" that references comparative speed of waithax/slowhax.