11.0 or how the 3ds hacking scene died

[Elveman]

Future updates of Home Menu, MSET etc. will check for the new (11.0 a.k.a 2.51) version of NATIVE_FIRM and will require it to run. Although there's a blacklist of system titles' versions hardcoded in 11.0, nobody said that there aren't any arm9 exploits. There's a chance that eventually we'll find something. Unfortunately we can't predict when it's going to happen. So... don't lose hope

 

[Viri]

3DS scene is da bes and very much alive!

You want a dead scene? Just go look at the Vita scene, lol.

 

[zoogie]

I feel the scene is at it's biggest right now. so many new exploits/homebrew/cfw this past year it's hard to say its going to die soon. Look back to 4.x, 9.2,and then 10.6 with downgrading. I doubt it'll die soon.

Exactly. Downgradable systems will be on shelves for several more months to come.

And all hope for software downgrades on 11.0 is still not lost either. Cough cough dsiware.

 

[Queno138]

I think it's safe to say nobody will be able to downgrade from 11.o without a hardmod. We had a good run guys. Peace be with you.

so your logic is that
if people cannot downgrade from 11.0 without a hard mod, its a dead scene?

You're forgetting:
1. a great bunch of people already have CFW or Homebrew (this is your scene)
2. we have developers who will continue to develop on existing material (which fuels the scene)
3. we have developers who are also hardmodders or have hardmodded unit, which are looking into alternative ways to downgrade (which also fuels the scene)
4. Most 3DS out there aren't even on 11.0, and can be downgraded


Since you didn't decide to be a dirty pirate earlier or homebrew person or couldn't be bothered to find an exploitable 3DS or swap yours out.
The scene isn't dead, and it seems like your 3DS is dead to you.

That's that.

Now, throw this thread to Edge of Forum please.

 

[Elveman]

Exactly. Downgradable systems will be on shelves for several more months to come.

And all hope for software downgrades on 11.0 is still not lost either. Cough cough dsiware.

DSiWare? Where can I read more about it? Is it on the "System flaws" page on 3dbrew?

 

[zoogie]

DSiWare? Where can I read more about it? Is it on the "System flaws" page on 3dbrew?

Basically, a hacked dsiware game has access to the entire raw 3ds nand for some reason, not just the twl partition.
With this access, you can perform the known-plaintext firm downgrade described here.

The ability to read/write nand from twl homebrew is already in POC form with fwtool by wintermute.

 

[Elveman]

Basically, a hacked dsiware game has access to the entire raw 3ds nand for some reason, not just the twl partition.
With this access, you can perform the known-plaintext firm downgrade described here.

The ability to read/write nand from twl homebrew is already in POC form with fwtool by wintermute.

Wow, that sounds quite promising, thanks!

 

[A_Random_Guy]

Basically, a hacked dsiware game has access to the entire raw 3ds nand for some reason, not just the twl partition.
With this access, you can perform the known-plaintext firm downgrade described here.

The ability to read/write nand from twl homebrew is already in POC form with fwtool by wintermute.

Do you have any links to the fwtool? Gonna check that out

 

[zoogie]

Do you have any links to the fwtool? Gonna check that out

There isn't really any easy way to get a hacked dsiware game on an 11.0 3ds right now. Just a system transfer with a different emunand-able system. We need a dsiwarehaxx primary.

 

[Deleted-19228]

Obvious troll account is obvious. No clue why mods haven't locked thread.

 

[satelman]

That's what everyone said after the 4.x era.

Gues what? 9.2 happened.

So true.

 

[wormdood]

There isn't really any easy way to get a hacked dsiware game on an 11.0 3ds right now. Just a system transfer with a different emunand-able system. We need a dsiwarehaxx primary.

would they not simply pull said title in less than 3 hrs like they did with freakyform . . . i love the idea but fail to see potential in something like this . . . maybe im just dense?

 

[zoogie]

would they not simply pull said title in less than 3 hrs like they did with freakyform . . . i love the idea but fail to see potential in something like this . . . maybe im just dense?

Yeah, that's basically what would happen. There's also the possibility of a major native_firm version update which would block the known-plaintext attack permanently.

 

[xdarkmario]

died or completed?
theres not much left to do, we have compromised about 98% of the 3ds's system, the final steps are unlocking bootrom and signing homebrew with keys, just like the wii.
now were just trying to maintain future proofing

 

[Kibido]

Anybody care to quickly explain what Nintendo did with 11.0 that hypothetically "killed" the hacking scene?

 

[A_Random_Guy]

Anybody care to quickly explain what Nintendo did with 11.0 that hypothetically "killed" the hacking scene?

Remove the abillity to downgrade and makes it even harder

 

[dimmidice]

jeez, Olida you're a fool.

Anybody care to quickly explain what Nintendo did with 11.0 that hypothetically "killed" the hacking scene?

i have no idea myself. OP seems a bit delusional. sure 11.0 doesn't have a downgradeable exploit. but that could change in the future.

 

[Greymane]

Changed/Added some lines of code, that check if parts of the firmware are on or above the version number. And disallow lower ones to be installed (software side), though you can still downgrade with hardmods. If i remember correctly atleast.

 

[GilgameshArcher]

http://plutooo.github.io/freakyhax/

 

[koyuki38]

"don't update past 4.X"
"don't update past 9.X"
"don't update past 10.3"
"don't update past 10.7"

brace yourself, "don't update past 11.0" is comming

http://plutooo.github.io/freakyhax/

I think this allows to launch HB launcher on 11.0, but i guess not all homebrew would work, and CFW won't launch