Review cover RetroFighters BattlerGC and Brawler64 Controllers (Hardware)
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Over 20 years later, has a Wavebird competitor finally arrived on the scene?

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No matter how hard it is to hear, the Nintendo GameCube is "retro"; old, even. At over 20 years old, the beloved GameCube has become an antique, but even so, it still lives on in the hearts of many, to the point of controllers for the system are still being sold to this very day. Backward compatibility and nostalgia have always been aspects of Nintendo's brand, but the GameCube, more specifically, its gamepad, goes a bit further beyond. Whether it's for Super Smash Bros. games, or just for the familiarity, the GC controller has been a mainstay throughout each of the console generations that succeeded it, from the Wii, to the Wii U, and now, the Switch. 

The problem with that, is in order to get the best experience, you either have to deal with a wired controller, living like it's 2002, or, you have to shell out for an ever-dwindling supply of wireless WaveBird controllers, which still use AA batteries, uses RF technology, and stopped being produced in 2007. 

A smattering of manufacturers have tried to fill the void, to mixed results. Some have connectivity issues, others suffer from cheap build quality, and even if you're willing to look past that, at the end of the day, the GameCube controller never really had a good d-pad, and the imprecision of the C-stick hasn't aged well now that games use the right-stick for camera control. 

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Which is why it's not so much of a surprise that RetroFighters has attempted to make an "improved" classic GameCube controller. After having already done the same with the N64 and their Brawler64 controller, to great success, it's time to see if they can walk the fine line between nostalgia and modernization. 

What gives this an edge over the WaveBird, besides being in "brand new" condition, is the fact that the BattlerGC supports rumble. It also works natively on PC--through either a USB-C connection, or the USB wireless dongle--the Nintendo Switch--with dedicated home, plus, minus, and screenshot buttons--or on native GameCube hardware, with a WaveBird-like adapter that plugs into the controller port. 

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Right off the bat, you can easily tell that this feels right. Designed in a form factor more akin to a Switch Pro Controller, but with those same chunky big buttons, the BattlerGC flawlessly replicates the face buttons from the original GameCube controller. They're a little glossier than my go-to GC controller's are, but that might just due to age. The travel distance, clickiness, everything about them is spot-on, which is impressive, because I think a lot of gamepads try to copy 

A lot of third party controllers suffer from feeling cheap or hollow. Luckily, the RetroFighters controllers don't; they're solid and weighty, but still light enough to feel very reminiscent of the feel of the WaveBird. It's a satisfying gamepad in nearly all aspects. 

With how great everything else is, it's a little baffling that RetroFighters went with such dramatically different triggers for the BattlerGC. While they are still analog, they're more akin to the DualShock 4's triggers, rather than the original GameCube's style. They lack that tactile "click" that the original has when you press it down fully, and there's more travel time, leaving everything feeling super awkward. On top of that, they don't actually activate the moment you press them, either. It's only about 15% into the pull of the trigger do they actually register you pressing them, which can seriously impact a lot of timing in games that you might be playing with pure muscle memory.

They're terrible for Melee's air dodges, middling at best for using FLUUD in Sunshine, and just not great at all in general. I did get used to them, at least, and they're not bad enough to offset the rest of the quality in every other aspect of the BattlerGC, but I can't help but feel disappointed that they nailed everything except the triggers. 

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In addition to releasing the BattlerGC, RetroFighters has also gone back to their N64 roots, by releasing a wireless variant of the Brawler64 controller. In the years since the original gamepad's release, they've addressed the two main complaints that I had with the Brawler64. First off, now that it's wireless, you're no longer relegated to using a cable that only goes a handful of feet away from your console. Additionally, the d-pad has seen a huge improvement, going from mushy sadness to clicky perfection, while the Z-trigger got the same treatment. I was already a huge fan of the Brawler64, but this is a huge bonus. 

The RetroFighters Brawler64 Wireless Edition is a no-brainer, taking an already solid controller, and tweaking it to be better than ever. Meanwhile, the BattlerGC is a bold take on one of gaming's best controllers of all time, and is a success in almost every aspect. 

Verdict

What We Liked ...
  • Face buttons are solid and have the perfect amount of click
  • Comes with wireless adapters that work on OG hardware
  • Fantastic dpad (64)
  • Comes in all the original systems' colors
  • Great build quality
What We Didn't Like ...
  • The triggers (GC)
9
out of 10

Overall

RetroFighters reiterates that they have the best modernized N64 controller on the market, while their take on the GC controller is almost perfect.
I got one of those the moment the local store had them in stock and my opinion on it basically matches yours to a t. Everything is pretty much perfect except for the analog triggers. Why they went with a generic trigger design instead of the clicky one from the GC is baffling to me because they specifically advertise it as a replacement for the OG GC controller, not a Switch controller that can coincidentally also connect to a GC.
 
Oh they look good and are only £40 here in the UK. Somebody please fetch my my credit card lol.

The question being what colour do I get as all three options are nice.
 
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Oh they look good and are only £40 here in the UK. Somebody please fetch my my credit card lol.

The question being what colour do I get as all three options are nice.
Orange FTW.

Some days I wish I had infinite money, I would own so many fancy controllers

That N64 variant looks pretty enticing 0___0
Yeah I own one, they're quite preferable to the OG 64 controller for adult hands. Relatively cheap at $30ish too.
 
Orange FTW.


Yeah I own one, they're quite preferable to the OG 64 controller for adult hands. Relatively cheap at $30ish too.
Dang not even that much more expensive than getting an original controller ($20-$25), even the AliExpress ones are like $10-15
 
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The design of the GCN controller looks somewhat weird to me. It's like the DualShock 3 with the sticks swapped.

Got plenty of GCN controllers, but will check this out.
 
Dang not even that much more expensive than getting an original controller ($20-$25), even the AliExpress ones are like $10-15
AE's cheap controllers are trash.

Other than Hori's, maybe Under Control (pretty decent), and these ones, the rest are junk.
 
The price of the controller is about what a PS4/PS5/Xbox controller goes for. If I didn't have various to choose from, I'd not mind ordering it.
 
I did get a Retro-Bit N64 Tribute controller last fall, to reduce use (wear n tear) on my OEM controllers. But my Wavebirds have been used without mercy since new and are holding up just fine. Wish new Nintendo hardware was still this bulletproof.


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those controllers were made like steel, but none of them held up to hundreds of hours of smash bros. Had to replace the sticks because the rubber eventually all wears off
 
those controllers were made like steel, but none of them held up to hundreds of hours of smash bros. Had to replace the sticks because the rubber eventually all wears off


Yes, in that respect me and those Wavebirds are blessed. They've played hundreds of hours of Double Dash, Metroid Prime, Sunshine, Pikmin, Zelda, Ikaruga, Money Ball, F-Zero, etc etc etc. But not Smash Bros. I never got into that game, and my son who was into it insisted on a wired controller.
 
I did get a Retro-Bit N64 Tribute controller last fall, to reduce use (wear n tear) on my OEM controllers. But my Wavebirds have been used without mercy since new and are holding up just fine. Wish new Nintendo hardware was still this bulletproof.


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I had one of those. Built to last, but very bulky and no rumble.
 
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So, these work with PC too? And Switch to boot?

I know what my next controller purchase is going to be.
 
I've got both wired and wireless version of the Brawler64. One thing to note is that the new wireless version of the Brawler64 can switch between "Procon" and "N64 NSO" modes, while the wired one is largely incompatible with Switch (it's still a wonderfully good legacy-style gamepad for PC though - six face buttons!).
 
Over 20 years later, has a Wavebird competitor finally arrived on the scene?

No… They perform no better than the crappy $20 knock offs. I owned two of them and they suffered from awful stick sensitivity and the triggers suuuuuck….

I also laughed at great build quality. These things feel CHEAP. Like I’m holding a toy made for a toddler.

I really liked the Brawler controllers, but they missed the mark with the Battler/Blade.
 
So, these work with PC too? And Switch to boot?

I know what my next controller purchase is going to be.
From the review:

It also works natively on PC--through either a USB-C connection, or the USB wireless dongle--the Nintendo Switch--with dedicated home, plus, minus, and screenshot buttons--or on native GameCube hardware, with a WaveBird-like adapter that plugs into the controller port.

I'm skeptical about this controller. Not sure it's all that comfortable for my hands and I already have a Switch Pro Controller which I love using and a Stadia one (it's similar to PlayStation with Xbox buttons/triggers), too.
 
Does this controller rely on a USB dongle for wireless connectivity with PC?
I did read about the 2.4GHz connection but I am not sure if the wireless connection is done through this dongle or if it can be done with Bluetooth on PC.
 
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I got one of these a while ago and it really is a shame that the triggers don't feel right. The triggers make playing games like Super Mario Sunshine a pain because it relies on different levels of pressing and the deadzones are like half of the entire pull. What a shame.
 
Does this controller rely on a USB dongle for wireless connectivity with PC?
I did read about the 2.4GHz connection but I am not sure if the wireless connection is done through this dongle or if it can be done with Bluetooth on PC.
yeah it's just a dongle--no BT, which is a shame, but I'm okay with it given BT's latency
 
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I got one of these a while ago and it really is a shame that the triggers don't feel right. The triggers make playing games like Super Mario Sunshine a pain because it relies on different levels of pressing and the deadzones are like half of the entire pull. What a shame.
That sucks. In cases like that I'm okay with digital triggers instead.

Calling it "digital triggers" doesn't sound right as it is just shoulder buttons, but everyone knows what we mean by it.
 
That sucks. In cases like that I'm okay with digital triggers instead.

Calling it "digital triggers" doesn't sound right as it is just shoulder buttons, but everyone knows what we mean by it.
As it is also Switch and PC controller, I would have honestly preferred if it digital triggers instead. I don't get how QA let this product go to market with such abysmal feeling triggers. At least the N64 Controller I got from the same company feels and functions alright.
 
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I like the idea behind what Retro Fighters are doing with their pads, but I struggle with the fact that a true 'fighting pad' should have a six button layout - if it doesn't it's no better than any standard controller for fighting games.

Luckily (unluckily?), the GC and N64 have very few fighting games that aren't available anywhere else.
 
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The weirdly clicky triggers are the bit that matters to me most. I could probably live with some c-stick changes although I'd need to try it.

That said, one of the reasons why I liked the GC controller was that the handles were more bar-like. I find a lot of modern controllers to be a little... chunky.

While it isn't a perfect replica I find the PowerA GC controller to be one of the better ones I've ever used but of course it's primary a switch-only device without Wii/GC compatibility. smh.
 
This got bad reviews on Amazon.
quotes:
"The joystick range is 1-127 on this controller, not 1-90ish like the original."
"The outer dead zones are too far & too large. That’s makes it unplayable for anything that requires analog accuracy"
"It clearly feels like a third party controller"

A WaveBird replacement, I think Not.
 
This got bad reviews on Amazon.
quotes:
"The joystick range is 1-127 on this controller, not 1-90ish like the original."
"The outer dead zones are too far & too large. That’s makes it unplayable for anything that requires analog accuracy"
"It clearly feels like a third party controller"

A WaveBird replacement, I think Not.
This is something that’s glossed over with the big reviewers and it irks me. I was really excited, but after trying TWO of them it left a very sour taste. I loved the Brawler64 wireless controller, but these issues are too much for $45 a pop. Now they’ve announced an Xbox controller…
 
This got bad reviews on Amazon.
quotes:
"The joystick range is 1-127 on this controller, not 1-90ish like the original."
"The outer dead zones are too far & too large. That’s makes it unplayable for anything that requires analog accuracy"
"It clearly feels like a third party controller"

A WaveBird replacement, I think Not.
I don't get it, doesn't F-Zero GX include a stick test and calibration tool? Shouldn't the reviewers use it?
 
I actually own Retro Fighter's wired N64 Brawler controller which has a nice feel to it due to it's modernization, but I could never get the dead zones tight enough for the left analog stick so I've kept it on the backburner for quite some time 🙄😒.
 
This got bad reviews on Amazon.
quotes:
"The joystick range is 1-127 on this controller, not 1-90ish like the original."
"The outer dead zones are too far & too large. That’s makes it unplayable for anything that requires analog accuracy"
"It clearly feels like a third party controller"

A WaveBird replacement, I think Not.
I was just criticizing the same reason why I no longer use my wired N64 Brawler controller, lol.
 
I bought a BattlerGC to use on my Wii U, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it.

First I tried connecting the GameCube connector directly to the Mayflash GameCube adapter to use on Nintendont as expected, but the inputs were all wrong, with inputs being triggered by itself and incorrect mapping.

Then I tried via USB, as expected Nintendont didn't automatically identify it, so I went to create my own config file using HIDtest.
HIDtest didn't detect the analog triggers, but it was something I was willing to sacrifice for now.

I created the file without any problems, but when I went to test it on Nintendont, the controller was apparently detected as a different device and it didn't work
I believe that in HIDtest it entered xinput mode, but in Nintendont it entered Switch Mode, since you can't change modes manually it also didn't work

The only way I could get it to work on the Wii U was to use the NS Magic adapter, but that shouldn't be necessary and it loses both rumble and analog triggers...
 
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