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  2. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Assault isn't freedom.
    Dec 9, 2020
  3. Chary
    Chary
    I'm honestly hard pressed to believe this isn't entirely satire at this point. Overpopulation exists, therefore let's allow maskless weirdos to snot all over people and kill them :D
    Dec 9, 2020
  4. x65943
    x65943
    Why isn't assault freedom? Please give me your definition. Obviously it is very complex and there must be certain actions that aren't permissible. I'm curious which ones aren't "true freedom" and why
    Dec 9, 2020
  5. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Assault and theft are the exceptions for freedom.
    Dec 9, 2020
  6. Chary
    Chary
    If you wanna twist it, you're assaulting them with biohazard material from breathing while infected. Would you want someone with AIDS to cover up any bleeding wounds they have? Well, that's uncomfortable for them. So let's allow their blood to leak around some places, if people get AIDS from it, well hey, it's the person's problem for getting it.
    Dec 9, 2020
  7. relauby
    relauby
    If assault isn't freedom, then infecting people with a disease isn't freedom either.

    Also, by your overpopulation argument, the Holocaust was a good thing because it cut down our numbers.
    Dec 9, 2020
  8. x65943
    x65943
    Why are they the exceptions to freedom? What made you choose those 2 things? I'm curious
    Dec 9, 2020
  9. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Because they are common sense.
    Dec 9, 2020
  10. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Infection isn't assault. Assault is intentional.
    Dec 9, 2020
  11. x65943
    x65943
    they are common sense? The same could be said about masks. I want an actual answer. Why are they not part of freedom. Is it because they infringe on another person's right to life and property?
    Dec 9, 2020
  12. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    On purpose.
    Dec 9, 2020
  13. x65943
    x65943
    so if it's not on purpose you are allowed to hurt people and deprive them of life and property? And that's freedom?
    Dec 9, 2020
  14. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    I don't feel sick.
    Dec 9, 2020
  15. relauby
    relauby
    Knowing what we know about COVID, going outside maskless is intentionally infecting people.

    Also, lots of people are carriers without showing symptoms. You could have it and not feel sick.
    Dec 9, 2020
  16. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    If most people who have it don't know it, and only a small percentage of people will die from it, it's not a big deal.
    Dec 9, 2020
  17. x65943
    x65943
    So can I get an answer. "so if it's not on purpose you are allowed to hurt people and deprive them of life and property? And that's freedom?"
    Dec 9, 2020
  18. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    That's one way to phrase "individual liberty above all else".
    Dec 9, 2020
  19. relauby
    relauby
    I never said most people wouldn't know, I said some would. And it's pretty heartless to dismiss over a quarter of a million people, in your country alone, as "a small percentage"
    Dec 9, 2020
  20. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    No price is too great.
    Dec 9, 2020
  21. x65943
    x65943
    so if I follow I can hurt and maim anyone I want as long as it's not on purpose. So I could, for example, get as drunk as I want and drive around town being extra careful. If someone gets in my way, it wasn't on purpose.
    Dec 9, 2020
  22. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    If you get drunk or high, anything you do to hurt people is automatically considered intentional.
    Dec 9, 2020
  23. x65943
    x65943
    so what if I walk around drunk without a mask?
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    Dec 9, 2020
  24. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Getting somebody sick isn't assault. Ever.
    Dec 9, 2020
  25. relauby
    relauby
    That’s completely arbitrary. If I go out during a pandemic while taking no precautions, I’m responsible for hurting people. By your definition, that’s assault.
    Dec 9, 2020
  26. x65943
    x65943
    so what about when people were charged with assault for giving people HIV and not disclosing their status?
    Dec 9, 2020
  27. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Let me rephrase that. Getting other people sick isn't assault, unless you know you're sick.
    Dec 9, 2020
  28. x65943
    x65943
    So only people with positive covid tests should be mandated to wear masks?
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    Dec 9, 2020
  29. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    And people who feel like they have it.
    Dec 9, 2020
  30. x65943
    x65943
    here is the scary part, you can't know if you have it. Some people are asymptomatic.
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    Dec 9, 2020
  31. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Most people are asymptomatic.
    Dec 9, 2020
  32. x65943
    x65943
    so that's the kicker. You can't know if you could infect and kill someone else. So since you can't know definitively if you are infectious - it becomes necessary to have everyone wear a mask. A simple, lightweight, cheap and easy way to help save lives.
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    Dec 9, 2020
  33. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    How many times do I have to say this? If most people don't know if they have it, it doesn't matter.
    Dec 9, 2020
  34. x65943
    x65943
    but the lives that are lost - do those matter? Or are those just a decimal point to you. If we can save human life- don't we have the obligation to try?
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    Dec 9, 2020
  35. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Obesity kills millions each year. Should we outlaw junk food?
    Dec 9, 2020
  36. x65943
    x65943
    you didn't answer my question. Do the lives that are lost matter?
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    Dec 9, 2020
  37. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Yes, but freedom matters more than anything. (Except God, but I doubt you believe in Him.)
    Dec 9, 2020
  38. x65943
    x65943
    freedom matters more than anything? But you already agreed freedom does not include getting people sick (knowingly) - and if you can't know if you are sick or not - then isn't the best thing to do wear a mask just to be safe. Isn't the small inconvenience worth a life
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    Dec 9, 2020
  39. Scott_pilgrim
    Scott_pilgrim
    As someone with a relative on the verge of death from COVID,I can say firsthand that it’s not worth risking your life for this
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    Dec 9, 2020
  40. Chary
    Chary
    “But I doubt you believe in him” oh my gosh it’s petty childish snark meets 92 year old bible thumper levels of condescending. Who are you to question anyone’s faith. Gosh dang.
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    Dec 9, 2020
  41. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    Our Founding Fathers risked everything to establish this country.
    Dec 9, 2020
  42. x65943
    x65943
    yeah they risked a lot, even they didn't agree you should be able to hurt people. And guess what they didn't believe in unlimited freedom because they owned slaves. Times change man - and we need to protect each other.
    Dec 9, 2020
  43. relauby
    relauby
    I think the issue here @UltraSUPRA is that you’re not really explaining where you’re coming from. You make these declarative statements like “Freedom matters above all else” but don’t explain why you feel that way. Why freedom is more important than saving lives, or why assault isn’t covered under the “freedom is most important” declaration,
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    Dec 9, 2020
  44. relauby
    relauby
    or why some things are considered intrinsic freedoms but other similar things aren’t. You state your values as if they’re self-evident fact, but they obviously aren’t, because nobody knows what the hell you’re talking about, which is why you get bombarded with fifty questions after every post
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    Dec 9, 2020
  45. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    I'll put this as simply as possible.

    It's not your responsibility to protect strangers.
    Dec 9, 2020
  46. Scott_pilgrim
    Scott_pilgrim
    So it’s fine if I let my friend run over people because “it’s not my responsibility to protect strangers”
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    Dec 9, 2020
  47. x65943
    x65943
    not even from yourself? You sound like Cain bro "Where is your brother Cain?" "what am I my brother's keeper?"
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    Dec 9, 2020
  48. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    I shouldn't have been saying assault. The correct word is violence.
    Dec 9, 2020
  49. Sicklyboy
    Sicklyboy
    PANTS RESTRICT MY FREEDOM I DONT WANT TO WEAR PANTS FIRST AMENDMENT MY FREEDOM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    Dec 15, 2020
  50. UltraSUPRA
    UltraSUPRA
    I've already went through that shtick before.
    Dec 15, 2020
  51. Lilith Valentine
    Lilith Valentine
    It literally doesn’t.
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    Dec 26, 2020