Honestly, giving the US an excuse to invade Mexico, and dispose of the Cartel would probably get most Mexican citizens cheering, lol. Also, unlike Russia, the US can actually win a war against a country they boarder, even with China and Russia supplying them weapons.
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Leaders blame Russia-Europe pipeline leaks on sabotage (Nord Stream)
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I absolutely do care, and I even made a thread on this subforum specifically about the latter. The former is a tragedy, but I'm not going to advocate for US intervention as that would violate my ethical code as an anti-imperialist.
My very first memories are of Germany, actually. Beautiful lush green country with beautiful architecture, I wish my family had stayed there. We still have chunks of the Berlin wall stashed away.
You clearly haven't been paying the least bit of attention to my replies in this thread if you think that's my stance. Imperialism is wrong, period. It was especially wrong when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, knowing full well that the Saudi royal family were actually the culprits behind funding and planning 9/11. I actively protested both invasions both before and after they occurred.
Why would they destroy the leverage they had when it still was leverage even if it was not as good leverage as before?
Why would they shoot themselves in the foot?
Why burn an important card they had to influence Europe's decision making?
Why destroy a potential source of income for after the war?
I don't buy it.
I don't think anybody could doubt that.
The only country that could today realistically wage and "win" a war against the US in their own territory is the US, civil war style.
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Desperation. When even your satellite states are turning against you, you need a boogeyman to redirect or at least overshadow blame for everything that's going wrong. The most convenient one for Russia is and always has been the US. It's also worth noting that if the goal was to attempt to drive a wedge between the US and its European allies, simply shutting the pipeline off and demanding more money would not accomplish that.
Again, I'm far from fully convinced that this theory is the correct one, but it's also well within Putin's usual MO, and so I don't feel it can be ruled out entirely. Conservatives here also want to rule out the theory that it was a smaller group of extremists not connected to any government, but the motive absolutely exists.
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They care about optics. Putin targeting civilians for torture and kidnapping in Ukraine wasn't enough for them to turn against him, but doing all that AND losing ground to Ukraine daily? For that they were starting to sour on the invasion. Sabotaging Nord Stream is potentially a way to bring them back into the fold by reminding them of who the "real" bad guys are, and that only daddy Putin can possibly protect them.
For the third time though, just a theory. No better or worse than the theory that the US government is responsible, or that a group of activists unconnected to any government was responsible. Time will tell as more investigations unfold.
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If he was Olaf Scholz's political rival and was sitting in a German prison after being slapped with bogus charges, you might have a leg to stand on there. Occam's razor is enough on its own to discredit this theory entirely though, I'm afraid.
Funny how you think Occam's razor doesn´t apply to your theory of unnamed Russian satellite states getting angry at the Kremlin. Then the Kremlin did this to pacify them. Name the countries and how they have changed their mind since the sabotage.
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Occam's razor doesn't apply because we have zero known or confirmed suspects in the sabotage/failure of Nord Stream. Everything's speculative at this stage, as I've noted multiple times in my own posts. OTOH, there's only one logical suspect connected to everything that's happened to Navalny.
It's almost as if being a ex-KGB agent turned lawless dictator who seized power through false flag bombings causes a lot of suspicion to be drawn to you naturally. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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It couldn't possibly be less speculative. He is first and foremost the leader of political opposition to Putin, and was arrested the moment he returned to Russia for the "crime" of not dying after the Kremlin poisoned him. To maintain any perception of legitimacy, Navalny would've had to have been freed from prison months ago, if not well over a year ago.
And who exactly were they seen by? Russian ships that were even closer to that spot? Correlation does not equal causation. If you want real answers instead of simply leaning into your own biases, you have no choice but to let investigations play out.
So in both cases, Putin is the suspect. Got ya.
Few days ago Putin also gave me a virus infection, aka a cold. A woman removed her mask to cough in my general direction. I immediately noticed that her height corresponds with Putin´s.
Few days ago Putin also gave me a virus infection, aka a cold. A woman removed her mask to cough in my general direction. I immediately noticed that her height corresponds with Putin´s.
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Putin is the ONLY suspect in Navalny's case, as Putin is the one who stuck him in prison and refuses to free him or even provide reasoning for his continued imprisonment.
He's not a confirmed suspect in the sabotage of Nord Stream, nobody is until we have more info. It's all speculative, and so that's exactly what I've been doing in this thread: speculating. No need to get your panties in a bunch about it.
I know. Your coffee, my cold. The man is mighty busy.
BTW charges against Navalny even mentioned on abcnews. Navalny knew he would go to prison but came back anyway.
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ged,punishable by up to three years in prison.
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