Leaders blame Russia-Europe pipeline leaks on sabotage (Nord Stream)

Taleweaver · Oct 2, 2022

City said:
This helps no one. I hate what’s Russia doing with all my guts, but I don’t think they did it. Maybe vandalism?

I'm not sure you know the details, but we're talking three different pipes here... At the bottom of the sea. Not exactly a place where local hoodlums hang around.

City · Oct 2, 2022

Taleweaver said:
I'm not sure you know the details, but we're talking three different pipes here... At the bottom of the sea. Not exactly a place where local hoodlums hang around.

…wow, ok. Fuck Russia

Xzi · Oct 2, 2022

Taleweaver said:
They're busy banning books from a library and going nuts over someone playing an old flute.

So... Perhaps not dead, but pretty weird in their priorities. And with those subjects, one can't deny its a joke indeed.

In the US at least, it doesn't really matter what you call them because the far right, alt-right, and conservatism have all been rolled into one big fat ugly ball. They worship every authoritarian dictator/oligarch on the face of the planet, Trump and Putin in particular. Yes they are a fucking joke, but they also own guns and have demonstrated that they are capable of violent outbursts. This form of brain worms has even spread to Canada from what I've been told, and we know it's in Brazil too given all the Bolsonaro bootlickers.

LainaGabranth · Oct 2, 2022

Xzi said:
In the US at least, it doesn't really matter what you call them because the far right, alt-right, and conservatism have all been rolled into one big fat ugly ball. They worship every authoritarian dictator/oligarch on the face of the planet, Trump and Putin in particular. Yes they are a fucking joke, but they also own guns and have demonstrated that they are capable of violent outbursts. This form of brain worms has even spread to Canada from what I've been told, and we know it's in Brazil too given all the Bolsonaro bootlickers.

Pretty much this. The alt-right doesn't just disappear or become useless as a term just because the people who coined it, like Richard Spencer, have become irrelevant due to deplatforming working. There's still individuals today who carry the same white nationalist, and outwardly hostile beliefs such as terrorist groups like the Proud Boys and Patriot Front, etc.

Blavla · Oct 2, 2022

It was always USA´s plan to sell gas to Europe. Filthy and expensive gas.
Funny thing is where the damage occurred only USA USS Kearsarge
was near :rofl2:

USA GO HOME

Blavla · Oct 2, 2022

Xzi said:
Nowhere in the video does he say that the US is going to sabotage or attack the pipeline. Just more FUD from Putin-loving conservatives.

no off course not and that Poland Minister "didn´t" thank USA for destroying it on twitter :rofl2:

Blavla · Oct 2, 2022

SScorpio said:
A little more information for people on why this is a big deal.

The Nord Stream are a pair of pipelines that carry natural gas from Russia to Germany. Do to sanctions due to Ukraine, they haven't been delivering gas. And Russia itself shutdown delivery claiming repairs for leaks.

But the issue is German and other European countries that rely on Russian natural gas don't have the storage capacity to keep a full winters needs in reserve. The largest can handle about a month of demand.

With this even if the winter is bad Germany can't crawl back to the table and negotiate Russia starting the sending of gas back up. Energy prices were already approaching 4x last year's price, and it looks like things will be getting even worse.

4x is long gone . From 100€ it´s jumped to 500-600. Ppl are moving from big cities to smaller cities and willages because they can´t pay the costs anymore.
EU leader should be Orban Viktor and not that

mrdude · Oct 2, 2022

I just finished watching The Save America rally at Michigan:

One things for sure, Trump is very inspiring, he speaks the truth and see's the way things are just now.

Wake up America, it's time to get rid of these scummy democrats for good, get out an vote next month and save your country. You've had the corrupt Biden admin in charge for less than two years, and his party has brought your country to it's knees and the world is looking at you and has lost the respect it once had. Not only that, we are nearly in WW3, it's time to take back control. Vote Republican and save yourselves and your families from more misery! Make America Great Again!

LainaGabranth · Oct 2, 2022

mrdude said:
I just finished watching The Save America rally at Michigan:

One things for sure, Trump is very inspiring, he speaks the truth and see's the way things are just now.

Wake up America, it's time to get rid of these scummy democrats for good, get out an vote next month and save your country. You've had the corrupt Biden admin in charge for less than two years, and his party has brought your country to it's knees and the world is looking at you and has lost the respect it once had. Not only that, we are nearly in WW3, it's time to take back control. Vote Republican and save yourselves and your families from more misery! Make America Great Again!

what does this have to do with the thread

Blavla · Oct 2, 2022

LainaGabranth said:
what does this have to do with the thread

Well that biden is not a president. He is searching for dead ppl to great them and handshakes a wall. He is a zombi

mrdude · Oct 2, 2022

caki883 said:
Well that biden is not a president. He is searching for dead ppl to great them and handshakes a wall. He is a zombi

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 2, 2022

Xzi said:
In the US at least, it doesn't really matter what you call them because the far right, alt-right, and conservatism have all been rolled into one big fat ugly ball. They worship every authoritarian dictator/oligarch on the face of the planet, Trump and Putin in particular. Yes they are a fucking joke, but they also own guns and have demonstrated that they are capable of violent outbursts. This form of brain worms has even spread to Canada from what I've been told, and we know it's in Brazil too given all the Bolsonaro bootlickers.

This explains your double standards and inability to be objective.
While I say we don´t know who did it, you go straight to Putin regarding possible suspects.

Find videos or quotes of Putin (=Biden) and another important player (=Nuland) saying they are going to "end Navalny one way or another" and a foreign diplomat thanking Putin. ... Imagine if I had suspected Germany of poisoning Navalny. That´s what you are doing now.

I really wonder what your reaction would be if it came out that it was really the US. Still denial or approval probably. While I would condem Putin or the Kreml for poisoning Navalny. Of course, we will probably not find out in either case.

Xzi · Oct 3, 2022

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
While I say we don´t know who did it

Word for word what my position is. We have no clue who's responsible, but while you and the other conservatives here want to automatically rule out Putin as a possible suspect, I'm simply not that naive. Nor can you convince me that I should be.

We also can't rule out the theory that nobody directly sabotaged the pipeline, but instead that lack of proper/regular maintenance is responsible for its failure. Based on the poor state of Russia's military equipment, that's hardly a stretch, now is it.

Xzi · Oct 3, 2022

Now, what we DO know for sure is that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked, has been specifically targeting and torturing civilians as young as four years old there, and has caused widespread suffering in his own country as well. He CHOSE to do these things and therefore he CHOSE to put a big fat target on himself and all of Russia's assets, their pipelines included. I would've sabotaged them myself given the opportunity, because not only should that motherfucker lose all opportunity to profit while committing mass war crimes, he should be six feet under a grave filled with fecal matter.

I guarantee there are plenty of Americans, Germans, Ukrainians, and Russians who feel the exact same way. And that's the biggest reason why it'll be nearly impossible to identify who exactly the culprit was in this. Governments have their own motivations, but so do much smaller groups and individuals.

sarkwalvein · Oct 3, 2022

Xzi said:
Word for word what my position is. We have no clue who's responsible, but while you and the other conservatives here want to automatically rule out Putin as a possible suspect, I'm simply not that naive. Nor can you convince me that I should be.

We also can't rule out the theory that nobody directly sabotaged the pipeline, but instead that lack of proper/regular maintenance is responsible for its failure. Based on the poor state of Russia's military equipment, that's hardly a stretch, now is it.

I wouldn't rule out Putin at all, but I wouldn't rule out foul play by the USA either.
One of those may be an ally, but neither is a real friend of Europe.
Both have their interests. They are not and have never been the interests of Europe, even though they might align now and then.
The pipeline was a costly endeavor, damned be the treacherous party that damaged it.

Xzi · Oct 3, 2022

sarkwalvein said:
The pipeline was a costly endeavor, damned be the treacherous party that damaged it.

No country should be stupid enough to get into bed with an adversary, let alone expect such a relationship to last for the long term. And I'm very much including the US-Saudi Arabia connection in that. Every nation should strive for energy independence, or at the very least, every reliable coalition of nations.

sarkwalvein · Oct 3, 2022

Xzi said:
No country should be stupid enough to get into bed with an adversary, let alone expect such a relationship to last for the long term. And I'm very much including the US-Saudi Arabia connection in that. Every nation should strive for energy independence, or at the very least, every reliable coalition of nations.

In this I agree.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Oct 3, 2022

Xzi said:
Word for word what my position is.

Except that you want straight to Putin, the least likely culprit.
Think about it: Destroying the Russian pipeline reduces Russian options. If Russia wanted to stop gas transport, they would simply turn off the pipe.
Your argument that this is about eliciting sympathy is laughable. Who has changed his or her mind due to this? I know nobody. Do you?

Xzi said:
We have no clue who's responsible, but while you and the other conservatives here want to automatically rule out Putin as a possible suspect, I'm simply not that naive. Nor can you convince me that I should be.

We also can't rule out the theory that nobody directly sabotaged the pipeline, but instead that lack of proper/regular maintenance is responsible for its failure. Based on the poor state of Russia's military equipment, that's hardly a stretch, now is it.

And we can´t rule out Germans poisoned Navalny in order to blame Russia. That´s how insane you sound to a rational person.
In fact, we can´t rule out either thing, but it tells us a lot about you that you went straight to Putin. Did Putin ruin your coffee today as well?

mrdude · Oct 3, 2022

Xzi said:
I would've sabotaged them myself given the opportunity, because not only should that motherfucker lose all opportunity to profit while committing mass war crimes, he should be six feet under a grave filled with fecal matter.

So you would have let half the people in Europe freeze this winter, and then bury someone in fecal matter? That say's a lot about you as a person, have you ever though about seeing a psychiatrist? You're a strange character - it seems a lot of lefties have mental issues just like you though so at least you have that in common with them.

When Putin finds out the pipeline was sabotaged by the USA and decides to retaliate and a few people get novachocked or nuked or your energy infrastructure takes a hit, or there's some other retaliation event, you'll be be first to start whinging that there were consequences for an action, and nobody outside of the USA (or with a functional brain) will be surprised.

Xzi · Oct 3, 2022

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
Except that you want straight to Putin, the least likely culprit.

I offered up a theory, and you're angry because it contradicts the prevailing conservative theory in the thread. Simple as. When it comes to false flag attacks, Putin has never been the least likely culprit, claiming as much is an attempt to gaslight us all.

mrdude said:
So you would have let half the people in Europe freeze this winter, and then bury someone in fecal matter?

It's not life or death for Europeans, they have strong social safety nets unlike the US. The sooner Putin is six feet under, the sooner a mutually beneficial business relationship with Russia can be re-established.

mrdude said:
When Putin finds out the pipeline was sabotaged by the USA and decides to retaliate and a few people get novachocked or nuked or your energy infrastructure takes a hit, or there's some other retaliation event, you'll be be first to start whinging that there were consequences for an action, and nobody outside of the USA (or with a functional brain) will be surprised.

Putin is already blaming the US with no proof, just as he blamed the West for his senseless, unprovoked invasion into Ukraine. He's also been making empty nuclear threats for the last several months even before the pipeline went kaput, which makes him look weaker, not stronger. Any such escalation would bring US/NATO forces into the conflict, and then the only thing he could possibly hope for would be a swift merciful death instead of being shipped off to Guantanamo. I think he's an evil piece of shit, but I don't think he's that dumb.

The "strongman" image is long gone. The only people that still have to live in fear of Putler are the Russians themselves, and I do pity them.

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