Wii and GCN backups not working properly

AlolanAlomomola · Sep 29, 2022

Hello,

First of all, I am sorry if this is not the right place to post this or if my questions are already answered somewhere else, but this is my first post around here and I don't really know my way around.

So I have recently reformatted my Wii console and modded it from scratch again after many years of not using it at all. I am running version 4.3E and I have successfully installed the Homebrew Channel on it. I am using USB Loader GX to run my Wii backups and Nintendont for GameCube games. I keep the games for each platform on two separate 128GB USB pendrives. The one for Wii backups is in WBFS format and I use Wii Backup Manager to add the games. The GameCube drive is in FAT32 format and I use the dedicated program (whose name I cannot recall right now) to install the backups on the drive as well.

For reference, the the drives I bought for this purpose are called Philips FM12FD70D/00.

However, almost none of my games are working as expected.

From my Wii games, only Mario Party 8 and Rayman Origins seem to work flawlessly. Super Paper Mario and TLoZ: Twilight Princess show a black screen right after initiating them, I don't even get to see the Wiimote security strap screen. Animal Crossing Let's Go To The City seems to work fine at first, it lets me enter some buildings, but at some point after roughly 10 minutes the game gets stuck in an endless loading screen after entering a building.

As for the GCN backups, none of them work. Right after I select them on Nintendont, all of them show a blue screen that says "No Signal", which is the same thing being displayed when the Wii is turned off. The console's power button's light stays green, though. I have tested Mario Kart Double Dash, Super Smash Bros. Melee and Pokémon XD. The closest I got to playing the game was hearing Mario's voice saying "Nintendo" in Mario Kart while still seeing the No Signal screen.

For the cIOS and IOS, I followed a tutorial to use SysCheck HDE to analyse my system, then feed the resulting log onto the ModMii PC app and have it create a guide for me to install all the necessary IOS and cIOS. After doing this, I also followed ModMii's USB-Loader configuration guide to install Nintendont and USB Loader GX. So I suppose my system configuration should be alright.

Find below the content of the latest sysCheck.csv file I generated, reflecting the state of my system after all of this process (sorry, it is in Spanish):

SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition por JoostinOnline, Double_A, R2-D2199, y Nano

...ejecutado en IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL

Menu de Sistema 4.3E (v514)

Priiloader instalado

Fecha de la unidad: 14.07.2008

Canal Homebrew 1.1.2 ejecutandose en IOS58

Hollywood v0x21

ID de consola: 98317532

Tipo de consola: Wii

Pais del Canal Tienda: Spain (105)

Boot2 v4

72 titulos encontrados.

Se encontraron 51 IOS en esta consola. 5 de ellos son stubs.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub

IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub

IOS9 (rev 1034): Sin Parches

IOS10 (rev 768): Stub

IOS11[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS12 (rev 526): Sin Parches

IOS13 (rev 1032): Sin Parches

IOS14 (rev 1032): Sin Parches

IOS15 (rev 1032): Sin Parches

IOS16 (rev 512): Stub

IOS17 (rev 1032): Sin Parches

IOS20[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS21 (rev 1039): Sin Parches

IOS22 (rev 1294): Sin Parches

IOS28 (rev 1807): Sin Parches

IOS30[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS31 (rev 3608): Sin Parches

IOS33 (rev 3608): Sin Parches

IOS34 (rev 3608): Sin Parches

IOS35 (rev 3608): Sin Parches

IOS36 (rev 3608): Sin Parches

IOS37 (rev 5663): Sin Parches

IOS38 (rev 4124): Sin Parches

IOS40[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS41 (rev 3607): Sin Parches

IOS43 (rev 3607): Sin Parches

IOS45 (rev 3607): Sin Parches

IOS46 (rev 3607): Sin Parches

IOS48 (rev 4124): Sin Parches

IOS50[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub

IOS52[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS53 (rev 5663): Sin Parches

IOS55 (rev 5663): Sin Parches

IOS56 (rev 5662): Sin Parches

IOS57 (rev 5919): Sin Parches

IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0

IOS60 (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS61 (rev 5662): Sin Parches

IOS62 (rev 6430): Sin Parches

IOS70[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS80[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND

IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

IOS222[38] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

IOS223[38+37] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

IOS249[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

IOS250[57] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

IOS251[38] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND

IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii

IOS255[38] (rev 20, Info: rev 20): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND

BC v6

MIOS v10 (DIOS MIOS 2.10)

Reporte generado el 29/09/2022.

I have read that some USB drives enter sleep mode at some point during gameplay, causing games to freeze. I have checked the specific online manual for the USB devices I am using, and there doesn't seem to be any proper software where I can modify a hypothetical sleep timer configuration.

Any ideas on where the issue might lie? Thank you very much in advance for reading through all of this and I hope with your help I can find a solution soon.

impeeza · Sep 29, 2022

please use the guide on https://gbatemp.net/threads/posting-a-system-check.300279/

and post a current syscheck of your console.

the 99% of these problems is a incorrect 249 cIOS.

AlolanAlomomola · Sep 30, 2022

Sorry - the wording on my post might have been confusing. The sysCheck in the OP is current. I took it right before turning off my Wii the last time. I followed the same steps as mentioned in the guide.

I'm assuming this is the cIOS 249 that I have:
IOS249[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

jeannotte · Sep 30, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
I have read that some USB drives enter sleep mode at some point during gameplay, causing games to freeze. I have checked the specific online manual for the USB devices I am using, and there doesn't seem to be any proper software where I can modify a hypothetical sleep timer configuration.

Hello,

the problem comes from your USB keys

get a single FAT32 external hard drive to put wii and gamecube games on the same hard drive and everything should work.
and choose your external hard drive according to the number of games you want to put on it.

impeeza · Sep 30, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
Sorry - the wording on my post might have been confusing. The sysCheck in the OP is current. I took it right before turning off my Wii the last time. I followed the same steps as mentioned in the guide.

I'm assuming this is the cIOS 249 that I have:
IOS249[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

Yep, that cIOS is outdated, use the latest cIOS d2x v10 NO THE ALTERNATIVE and NOT THE vWII version.

try with the next cIOS:

Slot 249, IOS base 57, d2x v10 r52
Slot 250, IOS base 56, d2x v10 r52

More information about the cIOS: (https://gbatemp.net/threads/ciosx-rev21d2x-yet-another-hot-fix.277659/)

Sypherone · Sep 30, 2022

@impeeza On Wii the ios patch v8 and v10 r52 is just the same. Also v9 and v10 beta r53.

impeeza · Sep 30, 2022

https://gbatemp.net/threads/d2xl-cios-a-fork-of-davebaols-d2x-cios.558581/post-8968173

• cIOS rev21 d2x v10 r52 : Fallback to d2x v8 with HDD init bug fix only. could these fix help on this case

And also there are others newer patches over d2x v10 r52:

d2x-v10-b52-Stealth-RC24.7z
d2x-v10-b52-Stealth-FM050.7z

CoolMe · Sep 30, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
IOS249[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8final):

Yea, you should install the "rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52)" on there. Use ModMii to download the wad file.

AlolanAlomomola said:
I keep the games for each platform on two separate 128GB USB pendrives. The one for Wii backups is in WBFS format and I use Wii Backup Manager to add the games. The GameCube drive is in FAT32 format and I use the dedicated program (whose name I cannot recall right now) to install the backups on the drive as well.

Both of them are plugged to the system at the same time? If so, port 1 is significantly weaker than port 0 (the lower port when the system is in a horizontal position), and it explains why one of them is not working as it should..

As to the issue with GC games, are you trying to play out-of-region games like NTSC? Because from the syscheck you do have a PAL system, and if you don't have a tv that supports ntsc signal, and you're only using composite cables, NTSC won't display properly (b&w). Also, you should have "Region Free EVERYTHING" and other hacks enabled in Priiloader too..

I would suggest checking the hash of your Wii games in WiiBackupManager (if you haven't already), it's under "tools" in the top banner.

Also, does the usb flash drive that has your Wii games is plugged into port 0 or port 1? And does it pass the "usb initiation" screen when you first launch USBLoaderGX?
I'd also suggest using this modded version of usbloadergx.

AlolanAlomomola · Sep 30, 2022

Thanks for your answer. Any recommendation that I can buy from Amazon or somewhere reliable? I've been checking the USB Compatibility List, but most of those drives seem to be unavailable now. Should any USB 2.0 HDD drive work just fine? I'm just scared I might spend €50 in a drive that won't work.

Edit: I just saw the other software-related replies. I'll check them and test accordingly when possible, since the Wii is in my parents' house. I'll try to download the WADs so I can apply the solutions when I have the time.

CoolMe · Sep 30, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
I've been checking the USB Compatibility List, but most of those drives seem to be unavailable now.

The compatibility list is not 100% accurate, nor does it list every compatible drive there is (that's impossible). It's there for those who are already having trouble with their hdds, to see if someone else has/had the same hdd and confirms that it worked on their system..

AlolanAlomomola said:
Should any USB 2.0 HDD drive work just fine? I'm just scared I might spend €50 in a drive that won't work.

Depends on the size and model. Try not to get larger drives like +2TB or more. Not saying that they wouldn't work though, just that there's a higher chance of that happening.
Also, an 2.5" with an hdd enclosure is preferred, and get a y-cable with it if you can.

AlolanAlomomola · Oct 3, 2022

Hello! I have just been to my parents' home and I am able to provide proper feedback.

I attempted to install "Slot 249, IOS base 57, d2x v10 r52" and "Slot 250, IOS base 56, d2x v10 r52" from ModMii as suggested. I followed the step-by-step tutorial for ModMii on on the cIOSX rev21d2x: Yet Another Hot Fix!!!! thread, However, installation from Multi-Mod Manager was failing for me so I did it from YAWMM (Yet Another WAD Manager Mod). Now these are the two lines on my most recent syscheck from yesterday night (find it below):
IOS249[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS250[56] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition por JoostinOnline, Double_A, R2-D2199, y Nano
...ejecutado en IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
Menu de Sistema 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader instalado
Fecha de la unidad: 14.07.2008
Canal Homebrew 1.1.2 ejecutandose en IOS58

Hollywood v0x21
ID de consola: 98317532
Tipo de consola: Wii
Pais del Canal Tienda: Spain (105)
Boot2 v4
78 titulos encontrados.
Se encontraron 51 IOS en esta consola. 5 de ellos son stubs.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): Sin Parches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS12 (rev 526): Sin Parches
IOS13 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS14 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS15 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): Sin Parches
IOS20[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS21 (rev 1039): Sin Parches
IOS22 (rev 1294): Sin Parches
IOS28 (rev 1807): Sin Parches
IOS30[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS31 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS33 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS34 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS35 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS36 (rev 3608): Sin Parches
IOS37 (rev 5663): Sin Parches
IOS38 (rev 4124): Sin Parches
IOS40[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS41 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Sin Parches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Sin Parches
IOS50[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS53 (rev 5663): Sin Parches
IOS55 (rev 5663): Sin Parches
IOS56 (rev 5662): Sin Parches
IOS57 (rev 5919): Sin Parches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS61 (rev 5662): Sin Parches
IOS62 (rev 6430): Sin Parches
IOS70[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS80[60] (rev 65535, Info: ModMii-IOS60-v6174): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS223[38+37] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS249[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS250[56] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS251[38] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
IOS255[38] (rev 20, Info: rev 20): Bug Trucha, ES Identify, Acceso NAND
BC v6
MIOS v10 (DIOS MIOS 2.10)
Reporte generado el 02/10/2022.

However, Super Paper Mario and TLoZ Twilight Princess were still giving a back screen. I changed the "Loader IOS" on the USB Loader GX settings from IOS 249 to IOS 250 in case that would change anything, but I got the same results as before.

In response to CoolMe's post (I think I'm still not allowed to quote on here): No, I am plugging only one at a time, since I did read that port 0 was the one to be used. My Wii pendrive is on port 0 and I do get past the "USB initiation" page. My games are read correctly on the menu, the issues only start once I have started the games. I have also checked that all of my ISOs are PAL region (at least I intentionally searched for and downloaded PAL backups, since my system is European). I do have "Region Free EVERYTHING" enabled on Priiloader as well.

I might give that version of USB Loader GX a try the next time, as I did not try any other loaders. I just downloaded USB Loader GX from a tutorial first and directly from ModMii after.

If no software-based solutions manage to fix the issue, I have been thinking of getting this HDD drive: Western Digital WD1600BEVT Scorpio BLUE HardDisk. It is featured in GBATemp's Compatibility List and it also seems to comply with CoolMe's advise (reasonable capacity and HDD enclosure). However, I am not so sure it is a USB drive compatibility issue, as I have seen reports on ElOtroLado.net's Compatibility List that the Philips Snow Edition 256GB (the same I have but 256GB instead of 128) is compatible with the Wii using IOS 249 as the Loader IOS.

Sypherone · Oct 3, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
However, I am not so sure it is a USB drive compatibility issue, as I have seen reports on ElOtroLado.net's Compatibility List that the Philips Snow Edition 256GB (the same I have but 256GB instead of 128) is compatible with the Wii using IOS 249 as the Loader IOS.

There cases where the one same USB-Stick doesnt work on two WiiU`s with the identical setup. Or they buy a different revision of a same USB-Stick and it doesnt work, because something is changed. You can make a headstand and go for the issue.

If you are using USB-Loader GX version 1272. Alternative try ios 58 as loader ios and patch the slot 251 with base 58 with dx2-v10beta52 and use it as game ios. Both backports are supported then.

You may try USB Loader Wiiflow lite or CFG Loader (Not mainted anymore) if the stick and playing the games work. If yes, you may search for a config problem inside USB Loader GX.

You may also use wii backup manager to automatically copy the game in to the correct path and the integrity of the image will also be verified. Or manual go in the Wii backup manger under tools and verify the hash value

CoolMe · Oct 3, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
Now these are the two lines on my most recent syscheck from yesterday night (find it below):
IOS249[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0
IOS250[56] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Bug Trucha, Acceso NAND, USB 2.0

Your syscheck looks correct.

AlolanAlomomola said:
However, Super Paper Mario and TLoZ Twilight Princess were still giving a back screen. I changed the "Loader IOS" on the USB Loader GX settings from IOS 249 to IOS 250 in case that would change anything, but I got the same results as before.

Just change it back to ios249.

AlolanAlomomola said:
I might give that version of USB Loader GX a try the next time, as I did not try any other loaders.

I recommend using it. You can also try with WiiFlow Lite.

If your usb flash drive is formatted as Fat32, format it as wbfs with WiiBackupManager and test again. Make sure to verify the hash of atleast one game to make sure it's not corrupted.
Also make sure that drive path in USBLoaderGX is set to port 0.

AlolanAlomomola · Oct 4, 2022

I still haven't been able to test those backup loaders, but I have come across a weird issue. I tried to play an original PAL Mario Kart Double Dash disk and it won't launch either, I get a black screen. I have read that this could be because I had installed DIOS MIOS at some point, which I had indeed before a reformatted my Wii system. So the issue with GameCube backups could be due to a wrong MIOS too I suppose since the symptom is the same?

pedro702 · Oct 4, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
I still haven't been able to test those backup loaders, but I have come across a weird issue. I tried to play an original PAL Mario Kart Double Dash disk and it won't launch either, I get a black screen. I have read that this could be because I had installed DIOS MIOS at some point, which I had indeed before a reformatted my Wii system. So the issue with GameCube backups could be due to a wrong MIOS too I suppose since the symptom is the same?

nintendont doesnt use any mios or cios only the stock ios58, if they arent playing is probably due to imcompatible usb device, try an sd card if they boot from there then its the usb.

CoolMe · Oct 4, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
I still haven't been able to test those backup loaders, but I have come across a weird issue. I tried to play an original PAL Mario Kart Double Dash disk and it won't launch either, I get a black screen. I have read that this could be because I had installed DIOS MIOS at some point, which I had indeed before a reformatted my Wii system. So the issue with GameCube backups could be due to a wrong MIOS too I suppose since the symptom is the same?

So both original GC games and burned backups are not working on your system? Were you launching from the Wii's home menu, or usbloadergx?
You can also try launching them from Nintendont.
Can your Wii play Wii original disc (or burned) fine without issues? Cause it could be your disc drive that's failing, scratched discs, and it has nothing to do with your softmods..

AlolanAlomomola · Oct 5, 2022

Indeed, it seems my system is unable to run both GCN backups via USB and original GCN disks. Wii original disks are working perfectly fine (tested Mario Kart Wii right after), and I keep having the same issues as described in the OP with my Wii backups (for that I will try Wiiflow and some of the options you gave as soon as I can).

I did try to launch the original GCN disk both from the disk channel and from Nintendont. I got a black screen from the disk channel and when launching from Nintendont the component cable input stopped being detected, just as if I had unplugged the device (a little window was popping up asking me to connect a device). In both cases the Wii power button light stayed green.

pedro702 · Oct 5, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
Indeed, it seems my system is unable to run both GCN backups via USB and original GCN disks. Wii original disks are working perfectly fine (tested Mario Kart Wii right after), and I keep having the same issues as described in the OP with my Wii backups (for that I will try Wiiflow and some of the options you gave as soon as I can).

I did try to launch the original GCN disk both from the disk channel and from Nintendont. I got a black screen from the disk channel and when launching from Nintendont the component cable input stopped being detected, just as if I had unplugged the device (a little window was popping up asking me to connect a device). In both cases the Wii power button light stayed green.

did you ever tryed using an sd card and using nintendont directly instead of usb?

i also couldnt use real gc disks normaly becuase i had previously installed dios mios lite which breaks real mios and real gc discs, but again nintendont does not run on mios or cios, so use an sd card to see if it works.

AlolanAlomomola · Oct 5, 2022

I might try that, though I'm not too confident as I have tried to launch the original disk from Nintendont and that didn't work.

pedro702 · Oct 5, 2022

AlolanAlomomola said:
I might try that, though I'm not too confident as I have tried to launch the original disk from Nintendont and that didn't work.

could be a corrupt controller.ini or ninconfig.bin tryed deleting those? sometimes they go corrupt.

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