Leaders blame Russia-Europe pipeline leaks on sabotage (Nord Stream)

Deleted member 114266 · Sep 28, 2022

Sabotage is the most likely cause of leaks in two Baltic Sea gas pipelines between Russia and Europe, European leaders said Tuesday, after seismologists reported explosions around the Nord Stream pipelines.

https://news.yahoo.com/sabotage-suspected-nord-stream-pipeline-100001372.html

No gas for Europe, this is going to turn really back really quickly.

Deleted member 114266 · Sep 28, 2022

A little more information for people on why this is a big deal.

The Nord Stream are a pair of pipelines that carry natural gas from Russia to Germany. Do to sanctions due to Ukraine, they haven't been delivering gas. And Russia itself shutdown delivery claiming repairs for leaks.

But the issue is German and other European countries that rely on Russian natural gas don't have the storage capacity to keep a full winters needs in reserve. The largest can handle about a month of demand.

With this even if the winter is bad Germany can't crawl back to the table and negotiate Russia starting the sending of gas back up. Energy prices were already approaching 4x last year's price, and it looks like things will be getting even worse.

Acid_Snake · Sep 28, 2022

It was probably Donald Trump, or Mussolini.

Deleted member 114266 · Sep 28, 2022

Acid_Snake said:
It was probably Donald Trump, or Mussolini.

I recall someone else who's good at killing off pipelines.

ghjfdtg · Sep 28, 2022

It's not as big of an issue as you might think because as you mentioned, they didn't deliver any gas anymore anyway. The stored gas capacity is just about enough for a mild winter and more gas is coming in liquid form. Of course this is gonna be very expensive compared to russian gas but there is no other option.

Viri · Sep 28, 2022

Hitler getting revenge on Russia.

Deleted member 114266 · Sep 28, 2022

ghjfdtg said:
It's not as big of an issue as you might think because as you mentioned, they didn't deliver any gas anymore anyway. The stored gas capacity is just about enough for a mild winter and more gas is coming in liquid form. Of course this is gonna be very expensive compared to russian gas but there is no other option.

I hope that's the case but around here we had a short but hot summer with a record number of 32C+ days, but it ended very quickly and we already aren't hitting 21C, I had to switch on the furnace already this week as it was getting down to about 6C at night and today only hit 14.4C as a high.

I have a feeling we're going to get hit with a long stretch of down to -26C in January.

Glyptofane · Sep 29, 2022

ghjfdtg said:
It's not as big of an issue as you might think because as you mentioned, they didn't deliver any gas anymore anyway. The stored gas capacity is just about enough for a mild winter and more gas is coming in liquid form. Of course this is gonna be very expensive compared to russian gas but there is no other option.

It's a very big deal. Certain European states were starting to get cold feet on the sanctions and now the incentive for walking back their positions against Russia has been removed from the picture. The infrastructure needed for the volume of LNG to fully offset Russian gas is years away. This is a bigger problem than people just roughing it in their cold homes for winter as the cost is already so prohibitively high that European businesses and factories are shutting down which means less jobs, less goods to market, and general bad times ahead.

The pipeline may have been Russian property, but the US/Ukraine has effectively now directly attacked Europe to guarantee that their insane war against Russia can continue. There's no way back now.

Xzi · Sep 29, 2022

I wouldn't put it past Putin to have sabotaged their own pipeline, as Russia has been ramping up false flag attacks lately in attempt to get more people on their side. A lot of FUD surrounding this particular topic though, so it's impossible to know for sure.

stanna · Sep 29, 2022

Xzi said:
I wouldn't put it past Putin to have sabotaged their own pipeline, as Russia has been ramping up false flag attacks lately in attempt to get more people on their side. A lot of FUD surrounding this particular topic though, so it's impossible to know for sure.

America did it, all putin needed to do was press a button to stop the gas, Biden even said in a interview a couple of months back he would.

Xzi · Sep 29, 2022

stanna said:
America did it, all putin needed to do was press a button to stop the gas, Biden even said in a interview a couple of months back he would.

If Putin pressed the button then everybody would know it was Russia, which doesn't work as much to his advantage as being able to blame it on the US does. All the Russian bots/troll farms being on the same page with the narrative makes me far less likely to believe the US was involved. And I'm not referring specifically to this site, but rather across all social media.

Putin also has a very long history of using false flag attacks, it's how he seized power in the first place. So that's something that has to be taken into consideration. If it wasn't Russia, then I'm more inclined to believe it was a group of activists/saboteurs acting independently of any nation's wishes.

stanna · Sep 29, 2022

Here let me make it nice and simple for you, https://www.banned.video/watch?id=63344ff57f97ef1f921943a9

Xzi · Sep 29, 2022

stanna said:
Here let me make it nice and simple for you, https://www.banned.video/watch?id=63344ff57f97ef1f921943a9

This simplifies nothing, as the invasion began months ago and the US has been putting diplomatic pressure on Germany to end their reliance on Russian gas/oil ever since. Ukraine is blaming Russia, Russia is blaming the US, and Germany is blaming independent saboteurs. Like I already said, there's a bunch of FUD surrounding this topic, so anybody who is "certain" they know the identity of the responsible party is full of shit, yourself apparently included.

stanna · Sep 29, 2022

The video is a interview with Biden saying he is going to do this, but if course it was someone else :rofl2:

ut2k4master · Sep 29, 2022

SScorpio said:
No gas for Europe, this is going to turn really back really quickly.

there is no gas coming through those pipes anyway

CMDreamer · Sep 29, 2022

Just ask yourselves which country is the one that benefits the most from all this situation and you will find the perpetrator...

I'm sure you don't need any hint, you're very smart people.

Xzi · Sep 29, 2022

stanna said:
The video is a interview with Biden saying he is going to do this, but if course it was someone else

Nowhere in the video does he say that the US is going to sabotage or attack the pipeline. Just more FUD from Putin-loving conservatives.

Deleted member 114266 · Sep 29, 2022

ut2k4master said:
there is no gas coming through those pipes anyway

And it can't start back up now either. So Germany and the rest of Europe can't lighten the sanctions against Russia.

Before this happened there were already news reports where different countries were limiting manufacturing to three or fewer days a week to save on energy and gas. The cuts will likely be deeper now.

Democrats seem to hate pipelines for some reason. The Democratic Governor of Michigan was attempting to shut down a pipeline between their north and south peninsulas. This would have devastated their northern peninsula as it was something like 90-95% of gas went through it, and it also would have affected the state of Wisconsin.

The solution? Oh just truck over the fuel. Because a bunch of semis continuously running yet still failing to meet demand is so much better than using a pipeline.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Sep 29, 2022

The Putler did it.

Xzi · Sep 29, 2022

SScorpio said:
And it can't start back up now either. So Germany and the rest of Europe can't lighten the sanctions against Russia.

Lol, the sanctions were never tied to oil/gas transactions. Both Europe and the US agreed long ago to remove them entirely if Russia were to end their senseless invasion of Ukraine. Putin seems hellbent on continuing to kneecap his own country, though, despite the fact that everybody else knows he has already lost.

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