Do you want more than 300 titles on WiiU and 3DS?

Do you want more than 300 titles on WiiU and 3DS?


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cmon we all know you just downloaded those games and putted them all in the hdd, there is no way you dumped hundreds of games, just looked to your last 5 or 6 pages of posting you did and they are all about title limit even one of them is about ps2 1000+ games having issues, yeah right we all know you just have all those games in the attic too and dumped every single one of them yourself and all and still play all those games daily...

im not rich and i have a physical game collection, i dont buy every game, only the games i actually intend to play and i bough afew shelves that i putted along the wall to sort my games by console, it wasnt expensive nor did it take too much space at all, collectors invest in display stands same for the games themselves.

So your every day life is you buy a brand new game, you dump it and then throw the disc in the attic to never be taken out again, is that right? never saw anything so poorly stated just to not admit your pirated most of your complete collections...

At least admit it dont make it sound you have 10000 official physical games since c64 all stored in the attic a pirate should at least admit it.
Actually my every day life is get up and go to work, finish work go to another work, finish work and go to another work (3 Jobs). In between spend time with my kids and family and where I have spare time I work on an academic course and play video games. I am not denying that about 60% of my collection is from non legal means but that leaves 40% that I have legally obtained either from gifts or from purchasing myself. And yes I do buy games (preowned more than new). Also one of my jobs (of 22 years) is working in a school so any time the school gets rid of their old computers/projectors/games consoles (I've had 2x PS2 slims, a PSOne slim, a wii, a gamecube all with games) I get first refusal. I have around 17000 games and software in physical format and another couple of 1000 public domain titles that I have copied to Floppy or CD.

My Vic20 is boxed up with all the games. So is my C64, ZX81, Sinclair Spectrum, BBC Master Compact, Atari ST, Amstrad CPC, I have an MSX1, and a Dragon32 (I am welsh after all) boxed together with some software (couldn't say what without digging it out). I have a JAMMA supergun I made myself from an arcade machine I rescued and a handfull of JAMMA boards (my cousin collects JAMMA so I get bootlegs from him).

I DO NOT HAVE A ROOM LARGE ENOUGH FOR MY COLLECTION.

Don't try to label me mate you really have NO CLUE .
 

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Actually my every day life is get up and go to work, finish work go to another work, finish work and go to another work (3 Jobs). In between spend time with my kids and family and where I have spare time I work on an academic course and play video games. I am not denying that about 60% of my collection is from non legal means but that leaves 40% that I have legally obtained either from gifts or from purchasing myself. And yes I do buy games (preowned more than new). Also one of my jobs (of 22 years) is working in a school so any time the school gets rid of their old computers/projectors/games consoles (I've had 2x PS2 slims, a PSOne slim, a wii, a gamecube all with games) I get first refusal. I have around 17000 games and software in physical format and another couple of 1000 public domain titles that I have copied to Floppy or CD.

My Vic20 is boxed up with all the games. So is my C64, ZX81, Sinclair Spectrum, BBC Master Compact, Atari ST, Amstrad CPC, I have an MSX1, and a Dragon32 (I am welsh after all) boxed together with some software (couldn't say what without digging it out). I have a JAMMA supergun I made myself from an arcade machine I rescued and a handfull of JAMMA boards (my cousin collects JAMMA so I get bootlegs from him).

I DO NOT HAVE A ROOM LARGE ENOUGH FOR MY COLLECTION.

Don't try to label me mate you really have NO CLUE .
if 40% is not legit then 300 titles on wiiu is way more than enough for you since 60% of the wiiu library fits perfectly, problem solved.
 
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(and no I'm not looking for workaround solutions like 3DS Bank, Loadiine, or Launchiine, though any such solution is certainly nice all the same).
Launchiine isn't a workaround, it is the only viable solution to this problem (that is, having a game launcher with more than 300 NAND/USB titles in it). We could make it look more like the stock menu if you wanted, though. Or less! There are people who really don't like the stock menu.
Thank you! Yes. But the people who are head butting are also arse kissing the devs.
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In terms of why they put the restriction in first place, I have no idea (maybe memory restrictions/limitations, I read something about save files past the 300 limit could cause problems).
They worked out how to store the location of a single app in the save file, and then needed to multiply that by how many apps they wanted to fit in the file. This approach gets used a lot since it's way simpler than trying to do a complicated and potentially insecure variable-length-loading solution (what if you forge a save file that has 4 billion apps? you don't have to think about this if you have a hard limit), you'll see it in games that have 4 or 100 save slots, etc.

This is, funnily enough, actually the same reason you can only have 100 Nintendo Network friends. It was easier to tell everyone to write GetFriendsList(&friends, 100) then to deal with dynamic allocations and whatever. Just less room for bugs, and nobody was ever going to notice, anyway.
 
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Launchiine isn't a workaround, it is the only viable solution to this problem (that is, having a game launcher with more than 300 NAND/USB titles in it). We could make it look more like the stock menu if you wanted, though. Or less! There are people who really don't like the stock menu.
Well it's a viable solution, sure, but it's still a workaround in regard to actually bypassing the 300 title limit in the actual legit Wii U menu. Likewise for 3DSBank on the 3DS. I love to see such projects, don't get me wrong, but I'm still waiting for the day when we somehow can remove or change the 300 title limit on the actual system menus for these systems.
 
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Well it's a viable solution, sure, but it's still a workaround in regard to actually bypassing the 300 title limit in the actual legit Wii U menu. Likewise for 3DSBank on the 3DS. I love to see such projects, don't get me wrong, but I'm still waiting for the day when we somehow can remove or change the 300 title limit on the actual system menus for these systems.
I just don't see someone ever doing the nearly complete rewrite of the wiiu menu's save system this would require, not to mention any other buffers throughout the app that rely on this limit. Maybe the game modding guys are better than I give them credit for, though I assume they're more interested in games anyway.
 

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I just don't see someone ever doing the nearly complete rewrite of the wiiu menu's save system this would require, not to mention any other buffers throughout the app that rely on this limit. Maybe the game modding guys are better than I give them credit for, though I assume they're more interested in games anyway.
Oh, I'm not waiting on baited breath for it to happen at all. I've accepted long ago it probably never will. Which is why I went off on that tangent here to begin with in this thread complaining about threads like these popping up every few months, asking some question or another about how to bypass the 300 title limit or who has interest in removing it, etc. while offering no viable solutions to actually addressing the problem.
 

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if 40% is not legit then 300 titles on wiiu is way more than enough for you since 60% of the wiiu library fits perfectly, problem solved.
I said 60% of my entire collection is from no legal sources. The other 40% is legal as in I own a physical original of the game/software and that goes for my entire collection across every system I own. I start by buying only the system exclusive games (games that only came out for that computer/console), then move onto the first party in house games such as SONY, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega, Atari. Then games from from big developers like Squaresoft/Square-Enix, Capcom, Konami, SNK etc. I buy any game I like the sound of from the blurb. Also I know a guy that works in Cash Generator who gives me the nod if there are any good games for retro systems and I'll buy them. I've bought hundreds off EBay mainly as bulk or job lots. And yes I will rip a lot of those games to digital iso's or download the iso if in the case of massive games like Final Fantasy series but I still own the physical copies.

40% of the WiiU Library does not fit in under 300 titles btw Look it up.
 

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I said 60% of my entire collection is from no legal sources. The other 40% is legal as in I own a physical original of the game/software and that goes for my entire collection across every system I own. I start by buying only the system exclusive games (games that only came out for that computer/console), then move onto the first party in house games such as SONY, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sega, Atari. Then games from from big developers like Squaresoft/Square-Enix, Capcom, Konami, SNK etc. I buy any game I like the sound of from the blurb. Also I know a guy that works in Cash Generator who gives me the nod if there are any good games for retro systems and I'll buy them. I've bought hundreds off EBay mainly as bulk or job lots. And yes I will rip a lot of those games to digital iso's or download the iso if in the case of massive games like Final Fantasy series but I still own the physical copies.

40% of the WiiU Library does not fit in under 300 titles btw Look it up.
if you take out retro games and the sort the wiiu library of actually wii u games is pretty small, also the homebrew emulators run those games much better than nintendo offerings, i would never play the official emulators when i can get better in homebrew.

if we talk about retail games the wiiu doesnt even have 170 physical games, so that already fits nicely and most of the eshop games are crappy shovelware and the rest are games that are better emulated on retroarch cores or other ways.

Like people said its way too much trouble to make the limit bigger becuase tehre are buffer and codding and saves and whatnot, all that could break your console maybe permanently if done badly, its just too much work for a couple of people to use, 99% of the people would never have 300 titles on the home-screen.
 

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Hello there, I had a Seagate 2TB , many years ago, full of Wii U Games, reached the limit of 300 games, and since then, there were no upgrade or solution for that limit, although many news hack for Wii U, none of them resolved this issue. Hope Maschell can find a solution for this.
 

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homebrew emulators
It's arguable if/when they are better than Nintendos. Also the future will be to have each ROM on the Wii U Menu, no matter what emulator it needs. RetroArch devs are already thinking about how to archive this on Aroma.

//EDIT: Why are we even arguing about that anymore? The surver shows that 50% of users are not fine with the limit. The only weird thing is that the ones not OK with it have good arguments while the ones who want to keep the limit don't have any reason for this other than "you must be pirates".
P.S. I'm fine with the limit, still I'm arguing on the side of the ones not fine with it as I'm able to understand them instead of trying to enforce my point of view onto anyone else.
 
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just fix it yourself.
There are actually multiple devs working on https://gbatemp.net/threads/wip-launchiine-a-wii-u-menu-replacement.606424/ for exactly this reason.

//EDIT: Also the argument "fix it yourself" is invalid. This is a user survey, users aren't devs. This is like a bridge not strong enough a car can drive over and people wanting this to change... Think about this beeing the bridge you need to pass to get to work. Would you call for help or spending years in studying to be able fix the bridge yourself?
 
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I honestly don't mind it as i feel the argument about lack of titles to have is a strong one (even tho i have 280 including emus and homebrews) but of course to have all your favourite games on the menu to be loaded by a simple touch is highly appealing to anyone... even if it is all older, emulated titles.

The 'pirates' argument is pathetic anyway as I'll bet everyone who made that comment has pirated all their titles.... Oh no wait, they actually bought them all and ripped them and transferred them.... Bull. Shit.

If it can be done, I'm sure it will be in time however.... Much better people than us have been looking at it and we ain't got it yet so it's all still a matter of if and not when at this moment.
 

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If it can be done, I'm sure it will be in time however.... Much better people than us have been looking at it and we ain't got it yet so it's all still a matter of if and not when at this moment.
Yea, that's why I brought Launchiine onto the table: According to Maschell replacing the menu is the right way to remove the limit. Maschell has other priorities than working on Launchiine (Aroma, IOSU stuff, ...) so asked other devs to take over. There are a few forks already (maybe there are even none-public forks we just can't see) but you need a high skill level to work on something like this... Also a lot of devs are busy porting things to Aroma, writing Aroma plugins and other things right now... So as you said: Question is not if but when the limit will be removed.

//EDIT: @ack Lostbhoy and me are devs. So here you have the statement of developers to this topic... So much to no development interrest in this, right? I mean even the great Maschell worked on removing that limit.
 

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I honestly don't mind it as i feel the argument about lack of titles to have is a strong one (even tho i have 280 including emus and homebrews) but of course to have all your favourite games on the menu to be loaded by a simple touch is highly appealing to anyone... even if it is all older, emulated titles.

The 'pirates' argument is pathetic anyway as I'll bet everyone who made that comment has pirated all their titles.... Oh no wait, they actually bought them all and ripped them and transferred them.... Bull. Shit.

If it can be done, I'm sure it will be in time however.... Much better people than us have been looking at it and we ain't got it yet so it's all still a matter of if and not when at this moment.
The way I see it is that the people bitching about not wanting the limit removed are insane. Will the removal of the limit affect them in any way?? Hell no so I really don't get the negatively behind the limit being removed.
 

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There are actually multiple devs working on https://gbatemp.net/threads/wip-launchiine-a-wii-u-menu-replacement.606424/ for exactly this reason.

//EDIT: Also the argument "fix it yourself" is invalid. This is a user survey, users aren't devs. This is like a bridge not strong enough a car can drive over and people wanting this to change... Think about this beeing the bridge you need to pass to get to work. Would you call for help or spending years in studying to be able fix the bridge yourself?
no, this is like a bridge that has a limit of 300 cars on it at one time, but most days it never gets close to 300. If you really need to get 300 cars across the river at once, you can either build another bridge, or figure out how to make the bridge stronger.
 

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no, this is like a bridge that has a limit of 300 cars on it at one time, but most days it never gets close to 300. If you really need to get 300 cars across the river at once, you can either build another bridge, or figure out how to make the bridge stronger.
Except even that analogy isn't quite right. Because if you get more than 300 titles on your Wii U it would still be fine. The worst that would happen as far as I can tell is that the Wii U would take a bit longer to populate the home menu with all your titles. There is no real danger of going over the Wii U title capacity like there is with a bridge and its weight capacity.
 

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you can either build another bridge, or figure out how to make the bridge stronger.
So do this: "Just" build a bridge strong enough to hold 300 cars. Can't be that hard, right?

No matter the analogy, my point was that you're asking people to fix things they have no clue about and who would probably need years of studying before being able to "just fix it".
Why is it not ok for you when these people ask for help? Why must they do this for themselfes? Why are you allowed to make homebrew requests but these users are not?
 

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Hello folks, my opinion is that we should calm down here......

There was a request on fixing the limit of 300 games on Wii U...

There are many answers in this topic, that is great.....And thanks to that I know some "devs" are working on it....... But just to point out that issue has many years unsolved........So the only thing we can do is to be more patient waiting for a solution for that.

Regards..
 

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The only solution as an user to bypass the limit Is to have It in various rednands.

Or with emunand or simunand or whatever the name, every one with its 300 limit or maybe as an emulated ones are more feasible to play, modify and hack them without worries.

I remember the original wii had a sneek app that does that same thing, allowing high collections of channels in the main menu.
 

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