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We can have a sustainable world when capitalism is dead and buried.
No, it's the other way around, capitalism is the only way we can create a sustainable world.
For the mass has power.
The opposite will only lead to a corrupt system, has always run that road, mno exception on long term.
Now i'm not saying capitalism is perfect, but it's the only road where you all can keep controlling a part of the system.
The only point is, are you willing to go for an all intergrated future, or are you going for a selfish future.
If you are ballanced towards the later, then no matter what system you choose, it ends up messed up for everyone inclusive your own future.
 

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No, it's the other way around, capitalism is the only way we can create a sustainable world.
For the mass has power.
The opposite will only lead to a corrupt system, has always run that road, mno exception on long term.
Now i'm not saying capitalism is perfect, but it's the only road where you all can keep controlling a part of the system.
If the mass has power, how come all power is consolidated under a few companies and wealthy family members?
 

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If the mass has power, how come all power is consolidated under a few companies and wealthy family members?
They're in power because we gave them that much power.
As long as people are sheeps following what others tell them is good, we're creating evil, for we're creating a system where only one or two brands will stand out...
As long as we're not able to see more grey between black and white we're dooming the future.
It's not the corporates that are evil, we're doing it ourselves.
Computers we're great when there was no website watching best price, we trapped ourselves in beleving best price was the holy grail, but doing so only a few companies survived, those companies now are like drug dealers.
 
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Are you being for real?
Are you?
Keep replying my words will not change anything.
I'm real, i mean what i say... and let me be perfectly clear about it:
I'm not sure i want a perfect world for everyone, for a perfect world for everyone will not ever include me.
I might even say i hate some bad people that much i wish they never been born.
That said, i want a good planet for everyone.
I will not plot or take revenge on those i don't like.
A better world never is never there, it looks so close, but every time we built a better world, we tend to distroy more than we built.
A better world is what you make it be.
A better world doesn't start with a new system, it starts with using the resources you have.
It's like standardising, each time you point out a failure missed by it you can either report it and get it fixed, or we can create an All new standard that fixes this one little error, but while doing so we forget the complete past we built.
Did everyone forgot this past 100 years? did everyone forget that we all running circles?
 
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Two world wars and dictatorships all over set by the far right and climate catastrophe by disaster capitalism? Yep.
ehm, nope, not capitalism, capitalism is what freed us, most of us got freed by usa, france and uk wich already. the rest of europe got enslaved by the russians. so no capitalism was not the evil... all 3 disasters were the opposing party.
Climate disaster, that's partly capitalism, but for the far most part consumer who wants everything high quality low cost...
if you don't want to you can't have great quality cheap and fast produced without any sacrifice.
and still we're not accepting that simple truth, we blame all around us but when it comes to our own stuff we're tend to look away.
  • We want green energy, but we don't want it harvested anywhere.
  • We want stable energy, bot every freekin way we can stabilaze is doomed for it is gone wrong once in ukraine and so every other facility is potential dangerous.
  • We want change done yesterday, i've got news for you it will not happen as long as we're so stubborn.
and even if we start really doing our part,, are you sure it's we're not finding the next crisis?
I mean like we did with the magic of asbestos isolation?

Then comes the next problem, most jobs are based on the carbon feuled industry, simply pulling the plug will probably mean a next lost generation, and i mean like in Japan?

The government can do a lot of balancing, but chances like you want cost time...
I know time is short, but if we check history it takes about 80 years to change such a thing.
It never went smooth and fast, nowhere...
 
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China has a worse birth rate than Japan, but everyone is too poor to support a bunch of old people in the future. If only there was a global pandemic that mostly targeted old people.
 

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ehm, nope, not capitalism, capitalism is what freed us, most of us got freed by usa, france and uk wich already. the rest of europe got enslaved by the russians. so no capitalism was not the evil... all 3 disasters were the opposing party.
Wrong again.
Climate disaster, that's partly capitalism, but for the far most part consumer who wants everything high quality low cost...
if you don't want to you can't have great quality cheap and fast produced without any sacrifice.
and still we're not accepting that simple truth, we blame all around us but when it comes to our own stuff we're tend to look away.
  • We want green energy, but we don't want it harvested anywhere.
  • We want stable energy, bot every freekin way we can stabilaze is doomed for it is gone wrong once in ukraine and so every other facility is potential dangerous.
  • We want change done yesterday, i've got news for you it will not happen as long as we're so stubborn.
and even if we start really doing our part,, are you sure it's we're not finding the next crisis?
Heh, the one agreeable thing you said. Maybe
 

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