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I think this thread broke my AI subsystem and prob fried somthing..... ima run a syscheck and try to understand how TF you all keep thinking that "Hearing out people who aren't assholes from both sides" is hateful....
It's pretty simple: denying someone the right to their own identity is being an asshole. Neo Draven is trying to dehumanize trans individuals, which goes well beyond simply "having an opinion" on the topic.
 

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It's pretty simple: denying someone the right to their own identity is being an asshole. Neo Draven is trying to dehumanize trans individuals, which goes well beyond simply "having an opinion" on the topic.
No. I am demanding my own right to refuse to play along with a lie.

Here's how it should go.

Laina comes walking down the street. Sees me.

"Hey! I am a woman."

I respond, "No. You aren't".

He keeps on walking his way. I keep walking mine. Neither of us harms the other, and goes about our business as usual.

That is what tolerance is.

Do you understand?
 

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I thought I explained it pretty well, that even if the person is harmless in intent and is just duped into supporting the positions, the person they're supporting result in net negative qualities of life as a whole even if on the surface their stances sound benign like "I want family values," or "I want our workforce protected," because both of these phrases have come to entail religiously sourced oppression of various sexualities and gender identities or outright xenophobia, respectively. No one said your position was hateful and I think you should quit trying to see it like that.
Ok, now i understand you, thanks.
That's effectively what you just said. Now haud yer wheesht if you've nothing on-topic to say. Fucking muppet.
Ok, guess i striked a nerve and offended you. Oh well! People get offended too much for my views

Now, Seems like russia is not having a good time huh
 
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It's pretty simple: denying someone the right to their own identity is being an asshole. Neo Draven is trying to dehumanize trans individuals, which goes well beyond simply "having an opinion" on the topic.
Where in any of this did I say that Laina and his other T folk aren't human? He's still human. He still has rights. I won't harm him.

I just don't want to play along with his fantasy. How is that wrong?
 

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Ok, now i understand you, thanks.
I hope that clears it up more, it's not that I think your position is inherently hateful, it's that you shouldn't be obligated to hear out people who support positions that criminalize or otherwise oppress your existence. It's not a matter of disagreement on things like trans issues for example, it's a matter of the right just making shit up and trying to mangle language and societal standards around their west-centric view of things. Unfortunately for them however, their input is not valuable on the topic.
 

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Ok, guess i striked a nerve and offended you. Oh well! People get offended too much for my views
Taking the piss out of you doesn't mean I'm offended, friend.

Now, Seems like russia is not having a good time huh
That we can agree on. Did you see the conscript interview that was posted yesterday, where he got to call his parents? They were distraught to find out he'd been sent to Ukraine. Like... Where the fuck did you think he was gonna go?
 

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You would think a guy who touts himself as an "end boss" of anything would have better retorts than boring redditor shit.
Sir, I have already been banned for speaking the truth. This site is leaning harder and harder to the left every day. There are specific mods who have a hate boner for me, who protect YOU and allow YOU to be abusive and bigoted, because they are biased.

It wasn't like this before the wokeness started happening, and being a bigot against anyone who isn't aligned with the 56 gender ideology was openly encouraged and rewarded.
 
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Taking the piss out of you doesn't mean I'm offended, friend.


That we can agree on. Did you see the conscript interview that was posted yesterday, where he got to call his parents? They were distraught to find out he'd been sent to Ukraine. Like... Where the fuck did you think he was gonna go?
Bury everyone in pizza boxes.... idk it seems like somthing else is happening in the back

My pronouns are "Daddy" and "God".

Learn them. Absorb them. Do not disrespect them, or you are being a phobe... of something, or other.
Ok Daddy
 
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No. I am demanding my own right to refuse to play along with a lie.

Here's how it should go.

Laina comes walking down the street. Sees me.

"Hey! I am a woman."

I respond, "No. You aren't".

He keeps on walking his way. I keep walking mine. Neither of us harms the other, and goes about our business as usual.

That is what tolerance is.

Do you understand?
Tolerance is a two-way street. If LainaGabranth can tolerate your existence as a bigoted dickweed, you should be able to tolerate her existence as a woman. Otherwise, you're just being passive-aggressive and supporting an undercurrent of violence against trans people.
 
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Tolerance is a two-way street. If LainaGabranth can tolerate your existence as a bigoted dickweed, you should be able to tolerate her existence as a woman. Otherwise, you're just being passive-aggressive and supporting an undercurrent of violence against trans people.
I do not ACCEPT his existence as a man who thinks he is a woman. Because that is a lie. I can tolerate behavior. I cannot accept a lie as the truth. He is NOT a woman, he can never BE a woman, and that isn't something that feelings can change.

You are asking me to accept a lie. I will not do that, under any circumstance.

He can live his life as a woman if he pleases. I won't harm him in any way, or try to stop him. I just won't ever call him a woman, or use his preferred pronouns.

That's TOLERANCE. Not ACCEPTANCE.

You're smarter than this, man. We go way back. You even gave me a Steam key once.

Sigh...
 
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