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chrisrlink

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Putin knows if real Chemical or Nuke, will Activate Nato.. Russia can barely hold its own with just Ukraine (with Natos old Toys)
Putin doing that just means he does not Care anymore and wants to see the world burn.
shit i've been saying make the world burn for a few months now hell I'd break out a lawn chair and sit as a nuke barrels towards my city surrounded by military bases (we have 6 wiithin a 50 mile radius prime target) whoever made that bright idea is a moron (several did in out 250+ year history)
 

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If you think Russia will retreat from Donbass after incorporating it into its territory, you don´t know Russians.

Also, where did u get the idea from that there will be soldiers without training? It will be difficult to find those without as service is mendatory (2 years).
They retreated rather quickly from Central Europe and half of Eastern Europe after their economy collapsed in ‘89. I should know. :V
 
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They retreated rather quickly from Central Europe and half of Eastern Europe after their economy collapsed in ‘89. I should know. :V
They were viewed as occupiers there. Not so in Donbass or Crimea. Many of the Russians killed in action are actually fighters from the Donbass, i.e. Ukrainians. This has been the case since 2014.
 

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What´s so funny, Xzi?
If you don´t think a lot of people in the Donbass and Crimea see the Russians as liberators after 8 years of shelling, you know nothing about Ukraine. The uprising began in those areas precisely because they were considered alien by the new regime in Kiev in 2014.
 

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If you think Russia will retreat from Donbass after incorporating it into its territory, you don´t know Russians.

Also, where did u get the idea from that there will be soldiers without training? It will be difficult to find those without as service is mendatory (2 years).
If they don't retreat, they're staring down a total collapse of the Russian military, which is a considerably worse outcome for ol' Putler.

They're desperate enough to be conscripting both prisoners and protestors now, neither of which will have any loyalty to the Kremlin. Most of the former military being called back to serve are too old to be effective. And all flights out of Russia were sold out the minute Putin announced the mobilization. Support for this imperialist invasion is dwindling down to nothing.
 

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If they don't retreat, they're staring down a total collapse of the Russian military, which is a considerably worse outcome for ol' Putler.
Even Hitler didn´t manage to create a total collapse. They have up to 25mio men if need be.
They're desperate enough to be conscripting both prisoners and protestors now, neither of which will have any loyalty to the Kremlin.
I agree. Probably involves some kind of deal though.

Most of the former military being called back to serve are too old to be effective.
The most effective German troops in WW2 were often the old guys from WW1. 30 is considered old btw.
And all flights out of Russia were sold out the minute Putin announced the mobilization. Support for this imperialist invasion is dwindling down to nothing.
Which is not surprising. Most people don´t want to fight, see Afghanistan. Or why did Ukraine ban men from leaving the country right after the Russian invasion started?
 

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Even Hitler didn´t manage to create a total collapse. They have up to 25mio men if need be.
And equipment for none of them, nor enough police to force them all into battle at gunpoint. You really must hate the Russia's working class to even suggest it.

I agree. Probably involves some kind of deal though.
Mostly just threats of torture and/or death, as is typical of the Kremlin.

The most effective German troops in WW2 were often the old guys from WW1. 30 is considered old btw.
This isn't WW2. They're walking into a literal meat grinder, and the weapons the US has provided Ukraine will definitely outlast any amount of meat Russia can throw at them.

Which is not surprising. Most people don´t want to fight, see Afghanistan
And even fewer want to fight for a dictator's last gasp attempt at retaining relevancy on the world stage. Russia's already lost, but Putin's only acknowledgement of that fact will come in the form of two bullets to the back of his skull.
 

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And equipment for none of them, nor enough police to force them all into battle at gunpoint. You really must hate the Russia's working class to even suggest it.
Equipment can be produced. I care about both the Ukrainian and Russian working class. I was born in Ukraine. Senseless killing for European "values". The only "value" the EU and Ukraine share is the hatred against Russians.
This isn't WW2. They're walking into a literal meat grinder, and the weapons the US has provided Ukraine will definitely outlast any amount of meat Russia can throw at them.
Are you on drugs? The Germans killed 27mio Soviets, half of them soldiers (though the percentages vary). THIS was a meat grinder. Even if you think the initial Russian forces have been elimated (which not even Ukraine claims), we are still far off from WW2 scenarios.
Russia's already lost, but Putin's only acknowledgement of that fact will come in the form of two bullets to the back of his skull.
Russia loses once it retreats from Donbass. It won´t happen. Mark my words. They will probably gain more territory than they occupy now, but I wouldn´t bet on it. Only the first part.
 

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Equipment can be produced.
Not fast enough. The Russians were already saddled with extremely outdated equipment at the start of the invasion.

Are you on drugs? The Germans killed 27mio Soviets, half of them soldiers (though the percentages vary). THIS was a meat grinder.
It was still nothing compared to the efficiency of the modern weapons being provided to Ukraine. Ukraine doesn't need even a quarter as much manpower to mow down the same number of invading Russians.

Russia loses once it retreats from Donbass. It won´t happen. Mark my words.
Oh I believe you, but that just means they'll lose every last fighter in Donbass instead. What do you think that will do to public sentiment against Putin inside of Russia, given that it's already souring? Military recruitment/enlistment offices are being torched left and right as well. Hiding away in a bunker will only keep the scared little mouse safe for so long.
 

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Dude Russia is out here giving their troops shit that's so old it's pre Cold War. Russian troops are absolutely being sent to their deaths and I think at this point Putin is just using conscription as a legally cleaner sounding death sentence for dissidents rather than just having them killed off officially.
 
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Not fast enough. The Russians were already saddled with extremely outdated equipment at the start of the invasion.


It was still nothing compared to the efficiency of the modern weapons being provided to Ukraine. Ukraine doesn't need even a quarter as much manpower to mow down the same number of invading Russians.



Oh I believe you, but that just means they'll lose every last fighter in Donbass instead. What do you think that will do to public sentiment against Putin inside of Russia, given that it's already souring? Military recruitment/enlistment offices are being torched left and right as well. Hiding away in a bunker will only keep the scared little mouse safe for so long.
make me wonder how (in) effective the russian Body armor is and how many hollow point (dubbed "Cop killer") rounds Ukraine has compared to US tech (Dragon skin armor which can stop almost any bullet in its tracks even Hollow point) and other tech Russia has next to nothing if it wasn't for their nuclear capability or their buddies N korea and china) the USA would've been more "hands on" with this war supplying direct support speaking of nukes if putin even fires one all of Nato will be on his ass and possiable assassination plots will probably be drawn up but pretty sure the high ranking russian officials are already plotting his demise (another reason he's hiding, he's unable to even trust his own advisors from not killing him)
 

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I legit believe that someone would off Putin before he could use a nuke(at least I really hope). If he's trying to become a Tsar, someone should tell him what happened to the last Tsar of Russia. lol
 

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fck i hope russia didn't use nuke, it could trigger nuke war and world war 3
If it offers you any solace, Putin's regime is collapsing from the inside to dereliction and people ignoring his orders. I doubt the chain of command would let him nuke much.
 

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You can tell who uses this site as a social outlet and a ranting soapbox.

It's amazing how much time some folks spend in these forums.
 

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I wish this site would just stick to gaming topics. It wasn't like this when I joined. The vibe and culture have completely changed.

If you don't support 56 genders and hate Trump, you have a target on your back. On a GAMING site.
Welcome to Twitter when you enter these threads, They usally in these threads spamming the 3 fucking things everyone is tired about. just avoid it, there mostly assholes here

Only Xzi and me are active outside this area who post often here. Never seen anyone who post here often are out here..... well i have seen a post here and there by LainaGabranth from time to time
 

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I wish this site would just stick to gaming topics. It wasn't like this when I joined. The vibe and culture have completely changed.

If you don't support 56 genders and hate Trump, you have a target on your back. On a GAMING site.
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