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Puberty-Blockers, Vision Loss & Closed Gender Identity Clinic for Children (Brandon Showalter; Mark Reynolds; ZeroHedge) [Three Articles]

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Understandable, Snap has been a asshole to me before, try to see if you can find the source code to it and tarball it.
It's specifically installing snaps over apt even when I'm doing apt installs, so I'm probably just going to hit the fuckit button and install SUSE or some shit
 

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I have another question, is it x-phobic to not let kids (Talking about 7 to 12 yo) to transition?
Define transition, because the position you may hold is the one doctors also do. They typically go on puberty blockers, not on HRT or SRS.
 

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'NHS to launch network of local clinics amid a doubling in demand

The United Kingdom National Health Service is closing the gender identity clinic at the Tavistock and Portman Trust, the London-based facility whose practices have faced considerable scrutiny in recent years.

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Cass stated in a July 19 report that there was a need to move away from the sole provider model and develop services regionally to meet the needs of patients. The report was also critical of using experimental puberty-blocking drugs to treat gender dysphoria.

"The rationale for use of puberty blockers at Tanner Stage 2 of development was based on data that demonstrated that children, particularly birth-registered boys who had early gender incongruence, were unlikely to desist once they reached early puberty; this rationale does not necessarily apply to later-presenting young people, including the predominant referral group of birth-registered girls," Cass wrote.

[...]

"We do not fully understand the role of adolescent sex hormones in driving the development of both sexuality and gender identity through the early teen years, so by extension we cannot be sure about the impact of stopping these hormone surges on psychosexual and gender maturation. We therefore have no way of knowing whether, rather than buying time to make a decision, puberty blockers may disrupt that decision-making process."

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The Cass review also detailed that the evidence base for using drugs to arrest natural puberty in gender dysphoric children is poor and highlighted their impact on brain development, noting that "brain maturation may be temporarily or permanently disrupted by puberty blockers, which could have significant impact on the ability to make complex risk-laden decisions, as well as possible longer-term neuropsychological consequences."

In February 2021, research published in PLOS One revealed that the use of blockers notably stunted bone growth in children who were given puberty blockers. The study followed a cohort of 44 youth who had undergone the experimental treatment in the U.K.'s NHS gender clinic.

"In both cases (height and bone strength) there was some growth but less than would be expected during those years without hormonal suppression," the research found, according to NHS. The research was published nine years after the study began. Of the 44 children that the study tracked, 43 went on to take cross-sex hormones.

The Tavistock clinic was also the subject of considerable scrutiny in 2020 when Keira Bell, a young woman in her 20s, alleged in a judicial review that she was incapable of understanding the risks of puberty blockers when she was treated at the clinic as a teenager with mental health issues. Bell went on to take opposite sex hormones and underwent a cosmetic double mastectomy only to later regret those decisions and detransition.

[...]'

-Brandon Showalter

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https://www.christianpost.com/news/...istock-gender-clinic-after-formal-review.html

'[...]

Keira Bell, who was prescribed puberty blockers at the centre when she was just 16 years old but later stopped the transition process, welcomed the decision.

Now 25, she said: “I’m over the moon. It means many children will be saved from going down that path that I went down.

“It’s a long time coming.”

She added: “I thought that that was the way I needed to go (transition) but really I just needed some support... mental health support and some therapy really.”

She said medics at the Tavistock moved to prescribe puberty blockers for troubled youngsters far too quickly and instead should have given mental health support first.

“We are talking about children here, medicalising children based on the fact that you know they feel a certain way,” she said.

She added that children in that position should have been offered mental health support, rather than puberty blockers, in order to get them back to “reality”.

“They are messing with children’s lives,” she added. “People at the Tavistock should be ashamed.”

[...]'

-Mark Reynolds

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1647475/tavistock-centre-child-gender-identity-transgender-nhs

'The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently added a warning to the labeling of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonists—also referred to by many as puberty blockers—saying the drugs may cause a series of symptoms in children that include headaches, pressure buildup around the brain, and vision loss.'

-ZeroHedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/f...ss-children?ref=biztoc.com&curator=biztoc.com


this is all entirely fake science promoted by the alt right to promote their agenda, all of this science is the safest science has ever been and will be and to question is is racism.... thats how this whole denial thing works, right?
 

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No, it's not, because doctors don't do SRS on minors, and imo shouldn't.
I think you are in agreement with a lot of people. And being that human brains don't stop changing well after 18, Dems have moved drinking to 21 and pushing for smoking an fire arms to 21. So how about remaining a minor until 21 for voting and SRS?
 

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I see.... Ok. It's nice to agree with people.
The thing is I don't know of many people who do advocate for this position, srs for minors has never been something people want for minors because of all sorts of factors. Social affirmation and puberty blockers have shown to be more effective anyways, despite limited data.
 
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I think you are in agreement with a lot of people. And being that human brains don't stop changing well after 18, Dems have moved drinking to 21 and pushing for smoking an fire arms to 21. So how about remaining a minor until 21 for voting and SRS?
Why would I give a shit what the Dems think?
 

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I think you are in agreement with a lot of people. And being that human brains don't stop changing well after 18, Dems have moved drinking to 21 and pushing for smoking an fire arms to 21. So how about remaining a minor until 21 for voting and SRS?
In my home country you're not legally considered fully an adult until 20, you're not supposed to be able to buy and consume alcohol. Although no one really listens to that (me included, good times).

To be clear you're still expected to act and think like an adult well before then, and the age of consent is usually around 16 or lower depending on where in the country you live.
 

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In my home country you're not legally considered fully an adult until 20, you're not supposed to be able to buy and consume alcohol. Although no one really listens to that (me included, good times).

To be clear you're still expected to act like an adult well before then, and the age of consent is usually around 16 depending on where in the country you live.
The US it was historically 18, but rights are slowly being stripped away and moved to 21. There's always been the complaint that at 18 you can join the military to be sent off to die for your country, but you weren't mature enough to have a drink at a bar.
 

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The US it was historically 18, but rights are slowly being stripped away and moved to 21. There's always been the complaint that at 18 you can join the military to be sent off to die for your country, but you weren't mature enough to have a drink at a bar.
Once you are able to pay tax, you vote. No taxation without representation etc. So either drop child labour or start paying minors their due.
 

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My god, I just read this entire thread and I really want to throw up right now, this shit is just so vile (I think I died a little inside from reading...).
I'm sorry if I miss anything here, this is just so rotten and hard for me that I'm probably not thinking very clearly.

Disclaimer: This post speaks very generally at everyone, I'm not calling out individuals just the ideas presented (feel free to make an idiot of yourself though saying I called you out specifically).

Okay now for my response
As someone who's non-binary (any pronouns, they're all fine for me) who doesn't always conform to the gender I was born as I can definitely see where people are coming from when they talk about people being harassed or coerced into hormones or therapy (I've definitely my share or that crap from people) but at the risk of making an opinion I think that if someone wants to do it then they should be allowed to do it, unfortunately this decision falls on them when they're young because that's when the unconscious and uncontrollable effects of puberty. It just means we have to grow up faster, there's not really a good solution but I think it's better to grow up quickly and be able to understand and decide for yourself, I think that's a worthy sacrifice to make.

I also really hate the argument about the infertility of trans people because it's being made by other people, who don't have any business over the life decisions of others, I'd hate to hear what you'd think of asexuals for their decision to not want to reproduce. The truth of the matter is that whether or not gender is real doesn't matter because these people want to live their life a certain way and would rather kill themselves than be forced to not live their life that way.

Also I would like to touch on sexual preference for a moment, people have different sexual preferences and they should be respected. If someone doesn't want to have sex with someone because they weren't born male/female that is okay. Sexual preference is a very personal thing and it's probably not a great idea to share it publicly or ask people about theirs publicly, you have the full right to have sexual preferences but it isn't exeptable to go around publicly talking about how trans people are gross or that they're fake.
Just because you wouldn't want to have sex with them doesn't mean that you have the right to disrespect them either, if they want to be called ma'm that's their right and if you don't do it you're a bad person. It is not acceptable to disrespect other people because you disagree with their gender identity.

To those claiming trans people are an evolutionary misstep and that people should normally want puberty or something like that. Nobody likes puberty, for trans people it's worse because they are a certain way mentally and their body is actively going against that, I do believe that they should definitely be allowed to stop that from happening to them as it could help them have a happy life down the road. If you're saying they shouldn't be able to do that because they won't be able to be essentially breeding machines (since you're only arguing for their ability to reproduce and not their quality of life) if they do that's a very cruel and utilitarian outlook,

Finally I agree with the idea that copy-paste threads like these shouldn't really be allowed, there should be more scrutiny as to what counts as real news and science and what's just pseudoscience meant to promote discrimination and attempt to take away human rights, these types of threads just make everyone angry and don't really lead anywhere useful.

If you have any questions please reply, although don't expect me to respond to everything, #onlyhuman.
 

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My god, I just read this entire thread and I really want to throw up right now, this shit is just so vile (I think I died a little inside from reading...).
I'm sorry if I miss anything here, this is just so rotten and hard for me that I'm probably not thinking very clearly.

Disclaimer: This post speaks very generally at everyone, I'm not calling out individuals just the ideas presented (feel free to make an idiot of yourself though saying I called you out specifically).

Okay now for my response
As someone who's non-binary (any pronouns, they're all fine for me) who doesn't always conform to the gender I was born as I can definitely see where people are coming from when they talk about people being harassed or coerced into hormones or therapy (I've definitely my share or that crap from people) but at the risk of making an opinion I think that if someone wants to do it then they should be allowed to do it, unfortunately this decision falls on them when they're young because that's when the unconscious and uncontrollable effects of puberty. It just means we have to grow up faster, there's not really a good solution but I think it's better to grow up quickly and be able to understand and decide for yourself, I think that's a worthy sacrifice to make.

I also really hate the argument about the infertility of trans people because it's being made by other people, who don't have any business over the life decisions of others, I'd hate to hear what you'd think of asexuals for their decision to not want to reproduce. The truth of the matter is that whether or not gender is real doesn't matter because these people want to live their life a certain way and would rather kill themselves than be forced to not live their life that way.

Also I would like to touch on sexual preference for a moment, people have different sexual preferences and they should be respected. If someone doesn't want to have sex with someone because they weren't born male/female that is okay. Sexual preference is a very personal thing and it's probably not a great idea to share it publicly or ask people about theirs publicly, you have the full right to have sexual preferences but it isn't exeptable to go around publicly talking about how trans people are gross or that they're fake.
Just because you wouldn't want to have sex with them doesn't mean that you have the right to disrespect them either, if they want to be called ma'm that's their right and if you don't do it you're a bad person. It is not acceptable to disrespect other people because you disagree with their gender identity.

To those claiming trans people are an evolutionary misstep and that people should normally want puberty or something like that. Nobody likes puberty, for trans people it's worse because they are a certain way mentally and their body is actively going against that, I do believe that they should definitely be allowed to stop that from happening to them as it could help them have a happy life down the road. If you're saying they shouldn't be able to do that because they won't be able to be essentially breeding machines (since you're only arguing for their ability to reproduce and not their quality of life) if they do that's a very cruel and utilitarian outlook,

Finally I agree with the idea that copy-paste threads like these shouldn't really be allowed, there should be more scrutiny as to what counts as real news and science and what's just pseudoscience meant to promote discrimination and attempt to take away human rights, these types of threads just make everyone angry and don't really lead anywhere useful.

If you have any questions please reply, although don't expect me to respond to everything, #onlyhuman.

Here ill summarize this for u tempers, You can be whatever you want and like whoever you want..... just dont be a dick about it.
 
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