Minneapolis School District Will Lay Off White Teachers Before Other Races

City · Aug 18, 2022

White teachers in the Minneapolis Public School District will be fired before minority teachers, according to the stipulations of a recently negotiated union agreement. Alpha News reported that a deal between the Minneapolis Federation of Teachers and Minneapolis Public Schools on March 25 includes a provision allowing minority teachers to be “exempted from district-wide layoff outside seniority order.”

Conversely, the agreement dictates that if a minority teacher would otherwise be subject to layoffs, “the District shall excess the next least senior teacher, who is not a member of an underrepresented population.” Previously, the seniority of teachers in the district was the only factor that determined whether or not they would be laid off. The reinstatement of minority teachers will also be given a greater priority than the reinstatement of white teachers.

https://spectator.org/minneapolis-school-district-will-lay-off-white-teachers-first/

Solving racism with more racism, nice.

Do the water fountains next!

SG854 · Aug 18, 2022

The bloodlust is imesurable

Creamu · Aug 18, 2022

'“It is the public policy of this state to secure for persons in this state, freedom from discrimination,” including on the basis of race and color. According to James Dickey, the senior trial counsel of the Upper Midwest Law Center, the agreement also violates the United States Constitution since it “openly discriminates against white teachers based only on the color of their skin, and not their seniority or merit.”'

Not enough people will care if white people bitch and cry about things like this. If they want to improve their situation they will have to have their own civil rights movement.

Maximumbeans · Aug 18, 2022

This is such a backwards way to try and counter racist bias. I know they think this is progress, but it's absolutely not, and I don't say that as a white person outraged on behalf of white rights or any shit like that.

It's objectively stupid. I get why they've done it; they think it's egalitarianism as opposed to equality, but what they've ended up with now is neither. Making decisions concerning layoffs with zero regard for ethnicity is equality. Factoring in ethnicity and race so as to ensure you don't happen to lay off, say, five Black teachers because none of them were senior enough, that would be egalitarian.

This is just 'bias but for "good"'. I highly doubt it's what the people who fought and bled for civil rights had in mind.

Dark_Phoras · Aug 18, 2022

I checked the document and that isn't what it says. There's a racial component, but its aim is to rebalance prior discriminations. It'll be a white teacher because they're overrepresented and non-white candidates weren't hired on the basis of colour. But it doesn't target people for being white...

P.S.: this also comes in an agreement between the schools and the teachers, who were striking for better working conditions. It's not something imposed on teachers, it's something they requested.

City · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
I checked the document and that isn't what it says. There's a racial component, but its aim is to rebalance prior discriminations. It'll be a white teacher because they're overrepresented and non-white candidates weren't hired on the basis of colour. But it doesn't target people for being white...

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P.S.: this also comes in an agreement between the schools and the teachers, who were striking for better working conditions. It's not something imposed on teachers, it's something they requested.

"Prior discrimination"? What are you talking about? Can you prove that those teachers were originally hired because white?

The page you show literally says that "if excessing a teacher who is a member of POPULATION UNDERREPRESENTED among licensed teachers in the site, the Discrict shall excess the next least senior teacher, who is not a member of an UNDERREPRESENTED POPULATION". It literally discriminates people based on race.

And this agreement comes between the school and the union. BIG difference.

I wondered how long it'd take until someone would try to justify this monstrosity.

FAST6191 · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
It's not something imposed on teachers, it's something they requested.

So discrimination is fine as long as people* vote for it?

*presumably a majority, two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch and all that.

Creamu · Aug 18, 2022

FAST6191 said:
So discrimination is fine as long as people* vote for it?

*presumably a majority, two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch and all that.

Hey, they've won the election fair and square!

Dark_Phoras · Aug 18, 2022

FAST6191 said:
So discrimination is fine as long as people* vote for it?

*presumably a majority, two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch and all that.

You're probably being biased on purpose, but let me explain in other terms. The system is: if there's an excess of teachers, those with fewer years of service are taken off. But what at least some schools were doing was, instead of doing that, they were taking off teachers of colour. This is a correction.

Valwinz · Aug 18, 2022

Bidens Racist America

FAST6191 · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
You're probably being biased on purpose, but let me explain in other terms. The system is: if there's an excess of teachers, those with fewer years of service are taken off. But what at least some schools were doing was, instead of doing that, they were taking off teachers of colour. This is a correction.

So two wrongs (assuming the earlier firing policies even were racially motivated) made a right?

I also find seniority as a method for running things a dubious one, though I suppose thrusting lifetime teachers out into the real world as might be the case with a meritocratic approach will see them starving where someone else could reskill.

Dark_Phoras · Aug 18, 2022

@FAST6191 the world isn't made on rights, there's a balance to manage. Or else you'd be out of the staff at this point.

FAST6191 · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
@FAST6191 the world isn't made on rights, there's a balance to manage. Or else you'd be out of the staff at this point.

I am still not sure of your particular objection to me but I think I like it and is probably one of those examples of the if everybody likes you then something is wrong thing (*hopes to get a flame thread one day*).

As far as balance if said balance is some perverse every conceivable strata, subdivision and the like in society must reflect the baseline makeup or irrelevant traits (save for the mathematically impossible bonus for "historically/previously disadvantaged" groups in desirable roles) rather than everybody gets the same shot to make something of themselves then you can keep it.

Xzi · Aug 18, 2022

I see no problem with a mostly-black community wanting to have mostly-black teachers in their schools. Firing people probably isn't the best way to go about it, though, they should at least be giving them the opportunity to transfer to another school district or state.

Dark_Phoras · Aug 18, 2022

Xzi said:
I see no problem with a mostly-black community wanting to have mostly-black teachers in their schools. Firing people probably isn't the best way to go about it, though, they should at least be giving them the opportunity to transfer to another school district or state.

I wager that letting go of teachers who are in excess, because there aren't enough students for everyone, is a regular process. I doubt the teachers would be receptive to an agreement that fired them based on race.

City · Aug 18, 2022

Xzi said:
I see no problem with a mostly-white community wanting to have mostly-white teachers in their schools. Firing people probably isn't the best way to go about it, though, they should at least be giving them the opportunity to transfer to another school district or state.

Xzi · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
I wager that letting go of teachers who are in excess, because there aren't enough students for everyone, is a regular process. I doubt the teachers would be receptive to an agreement that fired them based on race.

It's generally the other way around in the US, the student-to-teacher ratio is ridiculous. Like 30+ to 1 per classroom. And of course we pay teachers almost as badly as our fast food workers.

City · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
You're probably being biased on purpose, but let me explain in other terms. The system is: if there's an excess of teachers, those with fewer years of service are taken off. But what at least some schools were doing was, instead of doing that, they were taking off teachers of colour. This is a correction.

You're being in bad faith on purpose, but let me explain in other terms: IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT, IF THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GTFOING A WHITE AND A BLACK TEACHER, THEY WILL LAY OFF THE WHITE ONE.

Again, this was decided between the school and THE UNION. An union that I'm sure will stop existing after this.

Dark_Phoras · Aug 18, 2022

City said:
You're being in bad faith on purpose, but let me explain in other terms: IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT, IF THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GTFOING A WHITE AND A BLACK TEACHER, THEY WILL LAY OFF THE WHITE ONE.

Again, this was decided between the school and THE UNION. An union that I'm sure will stop existing after this.

It clearly says? Then quote me where it says.

City · Aug 18, 2022

Dark_Phoras said:
It clearly says? Then quote me where it says.

It's in my previous post you conveniently ignored. It's even in the document you posted.

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