Florida appeals court denies 16 year parentless girl abortion request

Deleted member 586536 · Aug 17, 2022

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...als-court-wont-let-parentless-16-year-old-get

So... Fascist America, get out of peoples rights please and thanks.

Oh and the argument "not old enough"
And that's the courts reasoning for not to allow her to get an abortion.

Which is a bullshit reason. She doesn't have a reliable job. She's working towards going into collage. She cannot care for this child. She lacks reliable parents. But nope. "Not old enough" to make a decision.

Denying peoples rights is part of facism.

Creamu · Aug 17, 2022

'[...]

Reproductive rights advocates were outraged by a Florida appellate court's Monday decision upholding a trial judge's move to block a "parentless" 16-year-old from getting an abortion.

Escambia County Circuit Judge Jennifer J. Frydrychowicz recently rejected the unidentified teen's request for permission to bypass the parental notice and consent requirements under Florida law. A three-judge panel from the state's 1st District Court of Appeal upheld that decision, which critics called "barbaric," "flabbergasting," "outrageous," and "unconscionable."

Judges Harvey Jay and Rachel Nordby—joined in part by Judge Scott Makar—affirmed the decision of the trial court, which they said found that the teen "had not established by clear and convincing evidence that she was sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy."

[...]

The minor is almost 17 years old and parentless. She lives with a relative but has an appointed guardian. She is pursuing a GED with involvement in a program designed to assist young women who have experienced trauma in their lives by providing educational support and counseling. The minor experienced renewed trauma (the death of a friend) shortly before she decided to seek termination of her pregnancy.

[...]

Monday's controversial ruling follows GOP Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signing a 15-week abortion ban in April and the right-wing U.S. Supreme Court majority overturning Roe v. Wade in June. Throughout the summer, stories of pregnant people nationwide struggling to access abortion care have stacked up.

[...]'

-Jessica Corbett

Dark_Phoras · Aug 17, 2022

I imagine how distraught the poor girl's mind must be at the moment.

City · Aug 17, 2022

Should've used protection

Creamu · Aug 17, 2022

City said:
Should've used protection

If we establish the standard, that engaging in voluntary heterosexual activities implies the consent to keep the baby that would clear things up alot.

City · Aug 17, 2022

Creamu said:
If we establish the standard, that engaging in voluntary heterosexual activities implies the consent to keep the baby that would clear things up alot.

IMO it's kinda messed up treating abortions as a "contraceptive".

Also the story makes no sense: she has no parents but she has a legal guardian. What's the legal guardian's say on the matter? And for how many months has she been pregnant? Anything past the 5th month is basically murder.

Creamu · Aug 17, 2022

City said:
IMO it's kinda messed up treating abortions as a "contraceptive".

Also the story makes no sense: she has no parents but she has a legal guardian. What's the legal guardian's say on the matter? And for how many months has she been pregnant? Anything past the 5th month is basically murder.

I also would be interested who the father is and how he feels about it. It is his child as well.

City · Aug 17, 2022

Creamu said:
I also would be interested who the father is and how he feels about it. It is his child as well.

Wouldn't be surprised if she decided to get knocked up to stir up some controversy. It's not like she can't just move state and get it done that way.

Deleted member 586536 · Aug 17, 2022

Creamu said:
If we establish the standard, that engaging in voluntary heterosexual activities implies the consent to keep the baby that would clear things up alot.

City said:
Should've used protection

so... You want to monitor the bedroom to prove that they used protection? Cameras in every bedroom? What are you big brother?

No fuck off. Protection isn't 100% gaurnteed. And second off there is a thing called child trapping ,(I already went over this. Not doing it again)
And thirdly the republican party plans on removing rights to contraceptives. Or excuse me "make it a states rights issue"
So again. Fuck off. It's the women's body. Her life. And by forcing a life into this, you are going to make her and the child suffer.
No one likes going through an abortion. It's painful, it's grueling and exhausting and tramatizing.

Hanafuda · Aug 17, 2022

So I'm reading the OP article, and is there a hole in the story that the reporter isn't ... umm reporting? DeSantis passed a post-15 week abortion ban. Then it mentions that she delayed getting an abortion, ostensibly because of the death of a friend. The story doesn't say, but did she not start petitioning the Court for this abortion until after she was already past 15 weeks??

Creamu · Aug 17, 2022

City said:
Wouldn't be surprised if she decided to get knocked up to stir up some controversy. It's not like she can't just move state and get it done that way.

Certainly a possibility. Going to another state to get the baby aborted is inconvinient but if it is so important to her she could just do that.

City · Aug 17, 2022

Nothereed said:
so... You want to monitor the bedroom to prove that they used protection? What are you big brother?

No fuck off. Protection isn't 100% gaurnteed. And second off there is a thing called child trapping ,(I already went over this. Not doing it again)
And thirdly the republican party plans on removing rights to contraceptives. Or excuse me "make it a states rights issue"
So again. Fuck off. It's the women's body. Her life. And by forcing a life into this, you are going to make her and the child suffer.
No one likes going through an abortion. It's painful, it's grueling and exhausting.

-snip-

Second, protection fails a very, very small amount of times every year. You're telling me that the MILLIONS abortions from the US alone are caused by a broken condom? Get the fuck out of there.
Third, it's "guaranteed", not "gaurnteed". At least learn some english before a pathetic attempt to flame me.
Fourth, I don't give a fuck about who "might" remove contraceptives because it has always been sensationalistic bullshit. Either provide hard data that X party wants to remove contraceptives or go back to the kids' table to discuss about Fortnite.
Fifth, I never said anything about "proving" she used protection. I said that she should have done protection.
Sixth, it takes two people to make a baby.
Finally, as pointed out already by someone else, she delayed the abortion that she could have taken.

Creamu · Aug 18, 2022

City said:
First of all, you *** off, ***

Please apply yourself.

Deleted member 586536 · Aug 18, 2022

City said:
Fourth, I don't give a fuck about who "might" remove

HOW ABOUT YOUR OWN SUPREME COURT ASSHAT

In the Concurring opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas said
"In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,"

Griswold protects contraceptives.

City said:
Fifth, I never said anything about "proving" she used protection. I said that she should have done protection.

You'd have to prove that. How on earth would you know that she used contraceptives or not. Again, shit fails.

City said:
Second, protection fails a very, very small amount of times every year.

that is no excuse to prevent an abortion. Abortions are the plan c. Making it just "oh well, use contraceptives. Oh what's that it failed? Oh well, have a child"
is fucking ludicrous

City said:
Finally, as pointed out already by someone else, she delayed the abortion that she could have taken.

Not even the issue
"bypass the parental notice and consent requirements under Florida law."
Is what she was dealing with.
And the judges ruled
"had not established by clear and convincing evidence that she was sufficiently mature to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy."
So your either too young to get an abortion. Or the state forces you to have a child as an adult.

Creamu · Aug 18, 2022

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ZeroT21 · Aug 18, 2022

Women being just reproductive machines with no other value just like in Taliban regime, Americans tend to forget women's rights hardly existed not too long ago, and now we're going back to those sickening days again, some archaic laws just don't make sense anymore in a modern era

Jasonclarke1986 · Aug 18, 2022

Don't want the baby not 'allowed' to abort then surely adoption is the best option?

Deleted member 586536 · Aug 18, 2022

then fine, have me banned. I have every right to be outraged that people's civil liberties are being taken, and I have every right to blast those who think that's it's acceptable. I'm not going to play the "nice game" when people's rights are under threat, and people think that's okay to take those rights.

Jasonclarke1986 said:
Don't want the baby not 'allowed' to abort then surely adoption is the best option?

except it's not, adoption often has long term negative consequences, it's not an ideal, and nor is there enough people who are in good enough positions to care for a child. Because that's another factor too, people are so under payed, and treated like shit, working 60+ hours, that people do not have the time to care for children, or let alone bring them into this fucked up world.

Creamu · Aug 18, 2022

ZeroT21 said:
Women being just reproductive machines with no other value just like in Taliban regime, Americans tend to forget women's rights hardly existed not too long ago, and now we're going back to those sickening days again, some archaic laws just don't make sense anymore in a modern era

Nature always comes back. But we think so negatively about it. Women are world champions in having children. Good for them.

Deleted member 586536 · Aug 18, 2022

Creamu said:
Nature always comes back. But we think so negatively about it. Women are world champions in having children. Good for them.

......
"women are meant to birth, that's nature. good for them"
-mod snip-
I've already heard a statement from someone else like that

JonhathonBaxster said:
I don't think abortions should happen for any reason, including the condom breaking or the women being raped.

Stop trying to control womens bodies, they'd like you more if you weren't trying to do that and force the removal of their body autonomy.

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