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Trump Raid and the End of the United States (Padraig Martin)

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UltraDolphinRevolution. I've seen him arguing epistemic anti-realist positions like a biological essentialist equation of race with sociological factors, and now this cringe Chauvin nonsense.
Yeah, he's one of the ones Costello should have banned that he mentioned in the stickied thread.
 

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And you're getting this info from, where? 8Chan? TruthSocial? There's a good reason we have the Espionage Act, it's to protect the nation from traitorous scum like Trump. There's almost nobody with a longer history of grifting, but you're willing to ignore that simply because he hates the same people you do. Pathetic.
The Espionage Act does not apply to presidents. Biden has this same authority right now. Obama, Bush and Clinton all had this same authority.

I would trust 8chan and TruthSocial more than the state-run corporate media you watch/read. There is a reason why trust in the media is at 11%. They are liars pushing narratives. It's too bad you are too blinded by TDS to see it.
 
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...You probably don't want to openly admit that you trust 8chan, a site who had one board dedicated to terrorism, another dedicated to stalking, and another dedicated to child pornography.

All in the top 5 most used boards, sooooooooooo.
 
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Funny, the ones that keep claiming to be above MSM, are the ones that bring them up the most. You don't need "state-run corporate media", to see how terrible and dangerous Trump is. People jumping to whatever right wing media that will tell them the most lies, wouldn't change that.

Not to mention, as if one of the biggest pushers of Qanon, 8chan, and Trump Social don't have their own narratives at all.
 
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'The FBI Is Now The Federal Bureau Of Intimidation​

Nothing symbolizes the decline of the American republic better than the weaponization of justice that we saw last week when the FBI raided the home of former President Trump.

And nothing better represents the divide that now exists between Democrats and Republicans than the fact that some people still have faith in the FBI.
Aren’t they paying attention? Heck, that's like a citizen of the old Soviet Union saying they had faith in the KGB – yeah, to crush dissent and lock up opponents of the regime in a Siberian gulag.

The evidence is overwhelming. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is now the Federal Bureau of Intimidation. Or more appropriately, the Federal Intimidation Bureau, whose acronym would spell out FIB, as in the Big Lie. Face it, nothing the FBI has said for the last six years since they joined with the Democratic Party to invent the Russia collusion hoax can be taken seriously.

[...]

You can start with the extraordinary 2016 press conference when FBI Director James Comey detailed crimes committed by presidential candidate Hillary Clinton related to her improper use of a private email account to store classified material. Moments after saying she had broken the law, Comey announced with a straight face that “no reasonable prosecutor” would ever bring a case against her. Yeah, because she was a Democrat!

A couple months later, Comey set up President Trump’s National Security adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, by sending agents to interview him about his supposed contacts with Russians.

“What's our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?" wrote Bill Priestap in a memo before the interview. Priestap was counterintelligence director at the FBI, and it became evident later that the agency’s goal was indeed to get him fired – and more importantly to get Trump impeached, fired, humiliated, you name it.

Comey himself admitted that the FBI targeted Flynn and chose not to approach him through the White House legal counsel, but informally with a direct phone call to arrange an interview. As Comey later told a reporter, it was “something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
What about the FBI’s abuse of Carter Page and George Papadopoulos? The agency made up evidence in support of subpoenas, FISA warrants, whatever it took to get the desired result. What about the FBI and Department of Justice targeting parents at school boards as “domestic terrorists” because they demanded that their elected representatives actually represent them? What about the unilateral rescission of executive privilege and attorney-client privilege wherever it would have protected President Trump and his advisers?

The purpose of all of this activity, along with the raid at Mar-a-Lago, was to intimidate not just Trump, but also his supporters. Anyone other than Donald Trump would have given up long ago. Who could possibly withstand the power of the state marshaled against you for six long years – through multiple FBI investigations, through two impeachments, through relentless persecution of your children and your friends and family?

Finally, what about the double standard that allows Democrats and their government allies to go unpunished for a multitude of sins? Notwithstanding Attorney General Merrick Garland’s feigned indignation on behalf of the bureau, what about the FBI agents who lied repeatedly during the Trump-Russia investigation, sometimes under oath. Even more stunning has been the FBI’s monumental failure to investigate presidential son Hunter Biden, even though it received his laptop with extensive incriminating evidence of criminal activity in 2019.

Even when the laptop was made public during the 2020 presidential election, the FBI stood silent and thus gave tacit approval to the cynical Democratic Party talking point that the laptop was somehow a GOP dirty trick. It would be interesting to know if the FBI had anything to do with the letter signed by 51 national security experts, falsely claiming that the laptop was “Russian disinformation”! Maybe, like Comey before him, FBI Director Chris Wray thought he could “get away with it.”
That is certainly the only explanation for the raid on the president’s personal residence. It was not appropriate. It was not reasonable. It had no precedent. The FBI claims that the pre-dawn raid by more than 30 armed agents was for the purpose of collecting presidential papers that the National Archive wanted. The Washington Post says that Trump reportedly had documents with nuclear secrets on them, and the legacy media went ballistic with the story. But wait a minute, isn’t that the same Washington Post that won a Pulitzer Prize for collaborating with the FBI to invent the Russia collusion hoax?

Don’t believe a word from either the Washington Post or the FBI. Trump had been cooperating with the National Archive and had already turned over 15 boxes of documents, all of which he could have made a claim to legally possess. If they wanted papers turned over, they could have gone through Trump’s lawyers. No, they wanted the spectacle. They wanted the sizzle. They wanted the headlines.

This wasn’t about the rule of law; it was about the rule of the schoolyard. Bullies get what they want through force and intimidation, and there is no reason for any of us to believe that the raid had any purpose other than to intimidate Donald Trump into backing down from his plans to run for president in 2024.

Essentially what the FBI was saying is “We know where you live, and we aren’t afraid to come for you.” They even rifled through Melania Trump’s closet, as if she might have been hiding top-secret documents in her hat box. When do we find out they also spent an hour sorting through her lingerie?

[...]'

-Frank Miele

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...he_federal_bureau_of_intimidation_148044.html
 

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'The FBI Is Now The Federal Bureau Of Intimidation​

Nothing symbolizes the decline of the American republic better than the weaponization of justice that we saw last week when the FBI raided the home of former President Trump.

And nothing better represents the divide that now exists between Democrats and Republicans than the fact that some people still have faith in the FBI.
Aren’t they paying attention? Heck, that's like a citizen of the old Soviet Union saying they had faith in the KGB – yeah, to crush dissent and lock up opponents of the regime in a Siberian gulag.

The evidence is overwhelming. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is now the Federal Bureau of Intimidation. Or more appropriately, the Federal Intimidation Bureau, whose acronym would spell out FIB, as in the Big Lie. Face it, nothing the FBI has said for the last six years since they joined with the Democratic Party to invent the Russia collusion hoax can be taken seriously.

[...]

You can start with the extraordinary 2016 press conference when FBI Director James Comey detailed crimes committed by presidential candidate Hillary Clinton related to her improper use of a private email account to store classified material. Moments after saying she had broken the law, Comey announced with a straight face that “no reasonable prosecutor” would ever bring a case against her. Yeah, because she was a Democrat!

A couple months later, Comey set up President Trump’s National Security adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, by sending agents to interview him about his supposed contacts with Russians.

“What's our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?" wrote Bill Priestap in a memo before the interview. Priestap was counterintelligence director at the FBI, and it became evident later that the agency’s goal was indeed to get him fired – and more importantly to get Trump impeached, fired, humiliated, you name it.

Comey himself admitted that the FBI targeted Flynn and chose not to approach him through the White House legal counsel, but informally with a direct phone call to arrange an interview. As Comey later told a reporter, it was “something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
What about the FBI’s abuse of Carter Page and George Papadopoulos? The agency made up evidence in support of subpoenas, FISA warrants, whatever it took to get the desired result. What about the FBI and Department of Justice targeting parents at school boards as “domestic terrorists” because they demanded that their elected representatives actually represent them? What about the unilateral rescission of executive privilege and attorney-client privilege wherever it would have protected President Trump and his advisers?

The purpose of all of this activity, along with the raid at Mar-a-Lago, was to intimidate not just Trump, but also his supporters. Anyone other than Donald Trump would have given up long ago. Who could possibly withstand the power of the state marshaled against you for six long years – through multiple FBI investigations, through two impeachments, through relentless persecution of your children and your friends and family?

Finally, what about the double standard that allows Democrats and their government allies to go unpunished for a multitude of sins? Notwithstanding Attorney General Merrick Garland’s feigned indignation on behalf of the bureau, what about the FBI agents who lied repeatedly during the Trump-Russia investigation, sometimes under oath. Even more stunning has been the FBI’s monumental failure to investigate presidential son Hunter Biden, even though it received his laptop with extensive incriminating evidence of criminal activity in 2019.

Even when the laptop was made public during the 2020 presidential election, the FBI stood silent and thus gave tacit approval to the cynical Democratic Party talking point that the laptop was somehow a GOP dirty trick. It would be interesting to know if the FBI had anything to do with the letter signed by 51 national security experts, falsely claiming that the laptop was “Russian disinformation”! Maybe, like Comey before him, FBI Director Chris Wray thought he could “get away with it.”
That is certainly the only explanation for the raid on the president’s personal residence. It was not appropriate. It was not reasonable. It had no precedent. The FBI claims that the pre-dawn raid by more than 30 armed agents was for the purpose of collecting presidential papers that the National Archive wanted. The Washington Post says that Trump reportedly had documents with nuclear secrets on them, and the legacy media went ballistic with the story. But wait a minute, isn’t that the same Washington Post that won a Pulitzer Prize for collaborating with the FBI to invent the Russia collusion hoax?

Don’t believe a word from either the Washington Post or the FBI. Trump had been cooperating with the National Archive and had already turned over 15 boxes of documents, all of which he could have made a claim to legally possess. If they wanted papers turned over, they could have gone through Trump’s lawyers. No, they wanted the spectacle. They wanted the sizzle. They wanted the headlines.

This wasn’t about the rule of law; it was about the rule of the schoolyard. Bullies get what they want through force and intimidation, and there is no reason for any of us to believe that the raid had any purpose other than to intimidate Donald Trump into backing down from his plans to run for president in 2024.

Essentially what the FBI was saying is “We know where you live, and we aren’t afraid to come for you.” They even rifled through Melania Trump’s closet, as if she might have been hiding top-secret documents in her hat box. When do we find out they also spent an hour sorting through her lingerie?

[...]'

-Frank Miele

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...he_federal_bureau_of_intimidation_148044.html
Jesus fucking Christ, calling you people deranged would be an understatement.
 

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The Espionage Act does not apply to presidents.
Good thing he's no longer president then, eh? Not that the office should ever be used as a shield against criminal charges in the first place.

I would trust 8chan and TruthSocial more than the state-run corporate media you watch/read.
I know you would, that's why there's no point in continuing to discuss this with you. Trump could murder your mom and rape your dad and you'd still be willing to pretend he's the most innocent person to walk the Earth since Jesus.
 

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I wasn´t taking about you.

To sum up:
Xzi (who I respect despite our opposing views) claimed that racism and nationalism is the same. I then asked whether the racists lost the Chinese Civil War (i.e. those who founded RoC aka Taiwan; they were nationalists). Kevin corms claimed that there is only one human race (which makes no sense: if there are no subspecies, there is not one subspecies). On and on. Trump is not a racist. He is not even a nationalist even though he says so. He thinks America is a nation, which it is not. The US consist of many nations. It would take perhaps thousands of years of mixing to arrive at an American nation. More likely, the US will become what Brazil is today.
People who claim there are no races either want to fool gullible white gender studies females and white soy boys or are victim of said people. NOBODY else believes it.
Sure, races are a social construct, like chairs and tables. But if it is useful for human to give things and concepts names, they do so. I don´t need an expert to know what a woman is or whether there are different human races. In times of crisis or in prison, everyone is suddenly aware what sex and race is. (see Ukraine war, for instance)
 
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Xzi (who I respect despite our opposing views) claimed that racism and nationalism is the same.
That's not what I said. I said nationalism leads to racism and racism leads to nationalism without breaking oneself of those psychological pitfalls, because it's the same mindset of inherent superiority which leads to both. They're not the same thing, but they are basically neighbors, and it's a helluva lot easier to walk to your neighbor's house than it is to walk twenty miles to the nearest therapist's office, metaphorically speaking.
 

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When trump was around we had gas under $2 here in cali and now its almost $7

He even warned us about this if we voted for Biden

But its a conspiracy theory right LOL

How fucked up does america have to get before people open their eyes?

Fucken zombies everywhere
 

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When trump was around we had gas under $2 here in cali and now its almost $7

He even warned us about this if we voted for Biden

But its a conspiracy theory right LOL

How fucked up does america have to get before people open their eyes?

Fucken zombies everywhere
Not a conspiracy theory, just idiocy on your part. The president does not work double duty as CEO of Exxon Mobil, oil companies charge however much they feel like charging whenever they feel like charging it. You should be pissed about that, but misdirecting your anger isn't gonna change it.
 

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Not a conspiracy theory, just idiocy on your part. The president does not work double duty as CEO of Exxon Mobil, oil companies charge however much they feel like charging whenever they feel like charging it. You should be pissed about that, but misdirecting your anger isn't gonna change it.
Not to mention, it is the Republicans that are blocking all bills trying to address it.
 

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Not a conspiracy theory, just idiocy on your part. The president does not work double duty as CEO of Exxon Mobil, oil companies charge however much they feel like charging whenever they feel like charging it. You should be pissed about that, but misdirecting your anger isn't gonna change it.
So its coincidence this didn't happen when trump was president? Shows how smart you ain't.
"You want gas at $5 vote for biden" D.J.Trump 45" (During Election debates) So he knew before anyone and he aint part of exon mobile? Ignorant dumbass's some are.

Biden blames Russia. Your dumbass types believe that shit. Some are so brainwashed its pointless. To easy to spot fakes like you. Move along son as facts are facts. America was so much better when Trump was in office! You like sucking Bidens dick? Dayum! Never suck dick for free.
 
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So its coincidence this didn't happen when trump was president? Shows how smart you ain't.
Coincidence? No. Oil companies prefer Republicans in office because they own them wholesale. Or did you not notice that we got fuck all out of twenty years in Afghanistan/Iraq except a few extra drops of black gold? A sacrifice you were more than willing to make, I'm sure.

Biden blames Russia.
There are several factors that cause higher gas prices, and Russia removing their refineries from the global market is one of them. I'm not sure why we're even having this discussion at this point though, you seem to be several talking points behind. Gas is only $3.50 in my city now, the price has been falling for at least a month straight.
 

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Your dumbass types believe that shit. Some are so brainwashed its pointless.
Feel like you should only say this when anyone actually says it's Russia's fault. Which no one did. This is out of thin air. This was written before Xzi's post but even then, they say "one of". Which is something called nuance.

As for coincidence, from my very limited perspective I think there was less demand for gas when Trump was around. And now with vaccines, and thus more travel, there is more demand (or more reason to use gas) the price rose stupidly. You could probably include how oil companies shape that, but I'm not gonna pretend I'm smart enough to know what's there.

And also:
Sure, races are a social construct, like chairs and tables.
You probably need an expert on what a social construct is and why people say it at the very least. Chairs and tables are nothing like race. You could be trying to pull "well society only decided what's a chair and what's not" but that's like a child's way of thinking and is nowhere close to how race impacts people. You say it's useful to give concepts names but the concept of race is not useful in the slightest. In fact, I would argue similar rhetoric has been used for very bad things!
 
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When trump was around we had gas under $2 here in cali and now its almost $7

He even warned us about this if we voted for Biden

But its a conspiracy theory right LOL

How fucked up does america have to get before people open their eyes?

Fucken zombies everywhere
Things are exactly the same everyfuckingwhere. The west is struggling with gas prices and the likes, and you know what? It's the Trumpist right's fault.

Yes, in whatever country the right has been trained or it's following the GOP's way of doing things, bills to help alliviate the price hike of gas and electricity are being repelled. In my country we barely got them approved, and they're still following the GOP's book and opposing to everything.

So please kindly fuck off with that bullshit.
 
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