World War III discussion

Alexander1970 · Aug 13, 2022

It looks like we may have "Ukraine II" soon......or more...
China is "playing" the landing off Taiwan's coast....

Some people (politicians??) in the US are "publicly" talking about "China should be maybe nuclear wiped out...." (Wolfowitz Doctrine...).
On the other hand, China will soon "destroy" the West economically....or has that already happened ?
China may have already overtaken the USA economically....or is about to do so in the near future..
The best time would be now (the USA is divided internally and the EU is on the ground...)

Wow, this is more exciting than any Partie if "Game of "Risk" at the moment.....

Creamu · Aug 13, 2022

Alexander1970 said:
It looks like we may have "Ukraine II" soon......or more...
China is "playing" the landing off Taiwan's coast....

Some people (politicians??) in the US are "publicly" talking about "China should be maybe nuclear wiped out...." (Wolfowitz Doctrine...).
On the other hand, China will soon "destroy" the West economically....or has that already happened ?
China may have already overtaken the USA economically....or is about to do so in the near future..
The best time would be now (the USA is divided internally and the EU is on the ground...)

Wow, this is more exciting than any Partie if "Game of "Risk" at the moment.....

You think this is a mother f'n game?!

Alexander1970 · Aug 13, 2022

Creamu said:
You think this is a mother f'n game?!

sombrerosonic · Aug 13, 2022

Creamu said:
You think this is a mother f'n game?!

Well, Real life Fallout would be fun, but we all know that this will never happen for the most part.

Creamu · Aug 13, 2022

Alexander1970 said:
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TraderPatTX · Aug 14, 2022

Alexander1970 said:
It looks like we may have "Ukraine II" soon......or more...
China is "playing" the landing off Taiwan's coast....

Some people (politicians??) in the US are "publicly" talking about "China should be maybe nuclear wiped out...." (Wolfowitz Doctrine...).
On the other hand, China will soon "destroy" the West economically....or has that already happened ?
China may have already overtaken the USA economically....or is about to do so in the near future..
The best time would be now (the USA is divided internally and the EU is on the ground...)

Wow, this is more exciting than any Partie if "Game of "Risk" at the moment.....

I'm enjoying watching people on here react to the news because they have idea what is going on.

Creamu · Aug 14, 2022

TraderPatTX said:
I'm enjoying watching people on here react to the news because they have idea what is going on.

Thanks, I think about alot of things happening to prepare for what is to come.

Creamu · Aug 15, 2022

'The PLA started live drills around Taiwan on Monday, the SCMP reported, as the island’s president received the first US congress delegation since a visit by US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi drew unprecedented military pressure from Beijing two weeks ago.

“This is a resolute counterstrike and solemn deterrence to the consecutive provocations by the US and Taiwan that undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait,” Wu Qian, a spokesman for China’s defence ministry, said. He added that the visit led by Democratic Senator Ed Markey sent the wrong signals to pro-independence forces in Taiwan. Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said Monday that it detected 30 Chinese military planes and five warships around Taiwan’s surrounding region.

According to Bloomberg, unlike earlier this month when China conducted live-fire exercises and likely fired ballistic missiles over Taiwan’s main island, Beijing didn’t immediately specify exclusion areas for commercial planes or ships to avoid. Chinese naval vessels and warplanes have regularly breached the US-drawn median line that divides the Taiwan Strait since Pelosi’s arrival on Aug. 2.

In Beijing, foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said Beijing had repeatedly warned against the trip, which breached the one-China principle and the three joint communiques signed by Washington. Wang also said the visit “blatantly violates” the country’s “One China” understanding with the US, was a “violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China” and cross-strait reunification was a historic trend that could not be changed.

“China will take resolute and strong measures to defend its national sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Wang said. “The handful of US politicians who have been colluding with Taiwan independent separatist forces and attempting to challenge the One China principle, they are overestimating themselves and are doomed to fail.”

He urged Washington to stop interfering in the internal affairs of the mainland and warned that any attempt to challenge the one-China principle and split the island from the mainland would be crushed by Beijing.

Taiwan Affairs Office spokesman Ma Xiaoguang also accused the island’s ruling Democratic Progressive Party of repeatedly using “external force” to counter Beijing and of seeking independence for the island through support from the US. He warned the DPP against the attempts, saying they were the path to self-destruction.

[...]'

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...und-taiwan-protest-democratic-senator-markeys

AncientBoi · Aug 15, 2022

TraderPatTX said:
I'm enjoying watching people on here react to the news because they have idea what is going on.

[walks in] ???

Creamu · Aug 16, 2022

'China Starts More Military Drills in Response to Latest Congressional Delegation to Taiwan
The delegation asked Taiwanese lawmakers if they want the US to change its 'strategic ambiguity' policy

China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) started fresh drills around Taiwan on Monday in response to a congressional delegation that visited the island.

Wu Qian, a spokesman for China’s Defense Ministry, said the military exercises were a “resolute counterstrike and solemn deterrence to the consecutive provocations by the US and Taiwan that undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.”

Taiwan’s Defense Ministry said it detected five PLA vessels in the area and 30 PLA aircraft, including 15 that crossed the median line that separates the two sides of the Taiwan Strait. China used to avoid crossing the median line, but since Pelosi visited Taiwan on August 2, PLA aircraft have regularly breached the unofficial barrier.

[...]

The policy of strategic ambiguity means that the US won’t say one way or the other if it would intervene in the event of a Chinese attack on Taiwan. But some hawks in Washington want that policy changed to guarantee a US response, known as strategic clarity, which would significantly raise tensions with Beijing. It’s not clear how the Taiwanese lawmakers responded to the congressional delegation’s questions about the issue.

[...]'

-Dave DeCamp

https://news.antiwar.com/2022/08/15...to-latest-congressional-delegation-to-taiwan/

'[...]

In a statement Tuesday the command said it "launched an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile equipped with a test re-entry vehicle from Vandenberg Space Force Base, California, Aug. 16 at 12:49 a.m. Pacific Time to demonstrate the readiness of U.S. nuclear forces and provide confidence in the lethality and effectiveness of the nation’s nuclear deterrent."

At a moment tensions over Taiwan are still boiling, and after six months of the Russian war in Ukraine, the command stressed that "Such tests have occurred more than 300 times before, and this test is not the result of current world events."

"The ICBM's reentry vehicle traveled approximately 4,200 miles to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands," according to details from the Air Force. "These test launches verify the accuracy and reliability of the ICBM weapon system, providing valuable data to ensure a continued safe, secure and effective nuclear deterrent."

Emphasizing further that American rivals should not see this as a provocation in need of escalation, the command's Task Force commander Maj. Armand Wong said, "Our test launches are scheduled well in advance and are not reactionary to world events." He added: "A meticulous planning process for each launch begins six-months to a year prior to launch."

[...]'

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/...ke-capable-ballistic-missile-after-delay-over

TraderPatTX · Aug 16, 2022

Creamu said:
'China Starts More Military Drills in Response to Latest Congressional Delegation to Taiwan
The delegation asked Taiwanese lawmakers if they want the US to change its 'strategic ambiguity' policy

China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) started fresh drills around Taiwan on Monday in response to a congressional delegation that visited the island.

Wu Qian, a spokesman for China’s Defense Ministry, said the military exercises were a “resolute counterstrike and solemn deterrence to the consecutive provocations by the US and Taiwan that undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.”

Taiwan’s Defense Ministry said it detected five PLA vessels in the area and 30 PLA aircraft, including 15 that crossed the median line that separates the two sides of the Taiwan Strait. China used to avoid crossing the median line, but since Pelosi visited Taiwan on August 2, PLA aircraft have regularly breached the unofficial barrier.

[...]

The policy of strategic ambiguity means that the US won’t say one way or the other if it would intervene in the event of a Chinese attack on Taiwan. But some hawks in Washington want that policy changed to guarantee a US response, known as strategic clarity, which would significantly raise tensions with Beijing. It’s not clear how the Taiwanese lawmakers responded to the congressional delegation’s questions about the issue.

[...]'

-Dave DeCamp

https://news.antiwar.com/2022/08/15...to-latest-congressional-delegation-to-taiwan/

'[...]

In a statement Tuesday the command said it "launched an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile equipped with a test re-entry vehicle from Vandenberg Space Force Base, California, Aug. 16 at 12:49 a.m. Pacific Time to demonstrate the readiness of U.S. nuclear forces and provide confidence in the lethality and effectiveness of the nation’s nuclear deterrent."

At a moment tensions over Taiwan are still boiling, and after six months of the Russian war in Ukraine, the command stressed that "Such tests have occurred more than 300 times before, and this test is not the result of current world events."

"The ICBM's reentry vehicle traveled approximately 4,200 miles to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands," according to details from the Air Force. "These test launches verify the accuracy and reliability of the ICBM weapon system, providing valuable data to ensure a continued safe, secure and effective nuclear deterrent."

Emphasizing further that American rivals should not see this as a provocation in need of escalation, the command's Task Force commander Maj. Armand Wong said, "Our test launches are scheduled well in advance and are not reactionary to world events." He added: "A meticulous planning process for each launch begins six-months to a year prior to launch."

[...]'

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/...ke-capable-ballistic-missile-after-delay-over

Let's send more congressional delegations to Taiwan. That will surely stave off World War III.

Can anybody explain why Biden is not calling for a meeting with President Xi or can his Delaware vacation not be interrupted? We do have an ambassador to the UN don't we? What's Michele Taylor up to these days? Antony Blinken? Where's he at?

I guess Biden is busy raiding Mar-a-Lago to care what his CCP friends are doing.

Creamu · Aug 16, 2022

TraderPatTX said:
Let's send more congressional delegations to Taiwan. That will surely stave off World War III.

Can anybody explain why Biden is not calling for a meeting with President Xi or can his Delaware vacation not be interrupted? We do have an ambassador to the UN don't we? What's Michele Taylor up to these days? Antony Blinken? Where's he at?

I guess Biden is busy raiding Mar-a-Lago to care what his CCP friends are doing.

It seems they want the escalation. But why?

TraderPatTX · Aug 16, 2022

Creamu said:
It seems they want the escalation. But why?

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's to make us lose a war so the Constitution can be thrown away.

Creamu · Aug 16, 2022

TraderPatTX said:
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's to make us lose a war so the Constitution can be thrown away.

How would that work?

TraderPatTX · Aug 16, 2022

Creamu said:
How would that work?

Generally, the losers of wars are not allowed to keep their countries intact.

Creamu · Aug 16, 2022

TraderPatTX said:
Generally, the losers of wars are not allowed to keep their countries intact.

Yes, but you don't get to reform it however you want either. Loosing to China would mean exhausting fighting capability, since the chinese military is specialised in defending against the USA. It is acutally not easy to take over the USA by military forces for russia or china because of the geographical position.

If somehow China takes over the USA they would not play by the rules by are mercantile elite.

TraderPatTX · Aug 16, 2022

Creamu said:
Yes, but you don't get to reform it however you want either. Loosing to China would mean exhausting fighting capability, since the chinese military is specialised in defending against the USA. It is acutally not easy to take over the USA by military forces for russia or china because of the geographical position.

If somehow China takes over the USA they would not play by the rules by are mercantile elite.

I'm not sure how it will theoretically play out, but I am sure it will never happen.

You are right though, that there is not a military force in the world who could take us over.

Creamu · Aug 17, 2022

'US-Russia Nuclear War Would Kill 5 Billion From Famine Alone: Study

[...]

The biggest US-Russian exchange would positively devastate global food production -- shrinking it 90% within three to four years after the explosions cease, the researchers say. Seventy-five percent of human beings would be dead in two years.

In addition to lower crop yields, the Rutgers model attempted to account for export restrictions, as well as mitigation efforts such as giving humans livestock feed to eat.

[...]

Last summer, hundreds of new missile silos began appearing in the Chinese desert. The Pentagon declared that Beijing, which had long said it needed only a “minimum deterrent,” was moving to build an arsenal of “at least” 1,000 nuclear arms by 2030.

[...]'

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-russia-nuclear-war-would-kill-5-billion-famine-alone-study

City · Aug 18, 2022

Oh no China is building nukes oh no Made in China nukes lmaoooo they'll explode as soon as someone lifts them up LMAOOOOO

TraderPatTX · Aug 18, 2022

Creamu said:
'US-Russia Nuclear War Would Kill 5 Billion From Famine Alone: Study

[...]

The biggest US-Russian exchange would positively devastate global food production -- shrinking it 90% within three to four years after the explosions cease, the researchers say. Seventy-five percent of human beings would be dead in two years.

In addition to lower crop yields, the Rutgers model attempted to account for export restrictions, as well as mitigation efforts such as giving humans livestock feed to eat.

[...]

Last summer, hundreds of new missile silos began appearing in the Chinese desert. The Pentagon declared that Beijing, which had long said it needed only a “minimum deterrent,” was moving to build an arsenal of “at least” 1,000 nuclear arms by 2030.

[...]'

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-russia-nuclear-war-would-kill-5-billion-famine-alone-study

Too bad both parties have been bought off by China and told us to focus on Russia while China quietly built a nuclear arsenal.

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