Trump Raid and the End of the United States (Padraig Martin)

Creamu · Aug 15, 2022

'A former director of national intelligence said Aug. 12 that it is “virtually impossible” to prosecute people for mishandling classified documents, and asserted that former President Donald Trump has the “ultimately declassification authority” in terms of such documents.

“The president does have ultimate declassification authority. He can literally declassify—and President Trump had that authority, and could declassify anything you want while he was president,” John Ratcliffe, a Republican congressman before Trump appointed him to be director of national intelligence, said on Fox News.

According to documents unsealed earlier Friday, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home was raided by FBI agents on Aug. 8 because of potential violations of several laws, including the Espionage Act, which some legal experts say relates to possessing classified defense information.

An inventory showed that agents seized what they listed as classified, secret, and top secret documents.

Ratcliffe said on Fox that before the search warrant materials were made public, he didn’t believe the raid was about classified materials.

“It has to be more than that because the Department of Justice and the FBI have already set a standard that makes it virtually impossible to prosecute a case like that,” he said, pointing to how former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s possession of classified documents was handled by the FBI, including then-Director James Comey.

“As people talk about Espionage Act and classified documents and all of that, the standard was set in 2016. Remember the Department of Justice and the FBI took the official position that Hillary Clinton, who was in possession of classified documents … that [being] in possession of that, that wasn’t enough, and that being grossly negligent and being careless, Jim Comey told us, that’s not enough under the Espionage Act. You have to know you’re violating the law,” Ratcliffe said.

“Even if you assume the worst case scenario for President Trump, that there were classified documents in his possession at Mar-a-Lago, that only puts him where Hillary Clinton was. And what the FBI and the Department of Justice would have to show is that he knew the documents were there and he didn’t think they were declassified,” he added.

Trump wrote on Truth Social that all the documents seized from Mar-a-Lago were declassified.

“He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified,” a Trump spokesperson told Just the News. “The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd.”

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Jayro · Aug 15, 2022

We riot in the cities because we're tired of police murdering unarmed civilians in the streets.

Thye MAGAs stormed the capitol because their presidential candidate lost a fair election.

We are NOT the same. Please stop comparing the 2020 rioters to the Jan 6th insurrection. There's no correlation between the two, at ALL.

Jayro · Aug 15, 2022

JonhathonBaxster said:
There were a few hundred people out of hundreds of thousands who decided to riot. It wasn't planned and Trump wasn't some ringleader.

He literally riled them up at rallies and on Twitter, the fuck you talking about? Head in the sand, as usual. :rolleyes:

Xzi · Aug 15, 2022

TraderPatTX said:
The president can declassify anything he desires.

They knew exactly what he had there. They even suggested he put an additional lock on it.

Wherever you get your info from, you should quit watching/reading them. They are obviously lying to you.

And you're getting this info from, where? 8Chan? TruthSocial? There's a good reason we have the Espionage Act, it's to protect the nation from traitorous scum like Trump. There's almost nobody with a longer history of grifting, but you're willing to ignore that simply because he hates the same people you do. Pathetic.

UltraDolphinRevolution · Aug 15, 2022

RAHelllord said:
You're going to want to reread that article you linked, the fertility rate in that context is a polite way of saying of how many babies they produce and not whether their offspring are fertile.

I agree. However, C-sections are more common among mixed-race couples and there are other risks as well (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867623/)
I still don´t agree that different races/subspecies need to have more trouble procreating, but there you go.

RAHelllord said:
You have shared ancestry with the dude on the other side of the planet!

Man, if you don´t even know that your mother is closer related to you than your cousin, which in turn is closer related to than your second cousin and so on, I don´t even know what tell you.

I knew you would talk about breeds. Then let´s talk about wolfs. There are two species of wolfs and many subspecies/races. Wolfs and dogs are considered different species even though they split less than 15000 years ago:
"However, 14,900 years ago the lines of dogs and wolves separated, although they shared common ancestors. From this separation, each species developed differently and the dog was eventually domesticated."
(https://wolf-stuff.com/blogs/wolf-facts/wolf-subspecies)

If 15.000 years is enough to evolve different species, then tens of thousands of years of human evolution are enough to create subspecies/races (out-of-africa theory).

UltraDolphinRevolution · Aug 15, 2022

Jayro said:
We riot in the cities because we're tired of police murdering unarmed civilians in the streets.

St. George died with or due to COVID. He knew he was infected ("I have COIVD, man!") but did not wear a mask. He not only spread fake dollars but also a real virus (which was more deadly at the time: alpha variant). Chauvin heroicly ensured that St. George would breath towards the pavement, putting fewer people at risk.

I´m not joking. Chauvin should have gone with that explantation instead of saying nothing. What an idiot.

Anyway police is murdering only very few unarmed civilians. Less police means more murders, as we have found out in 2021. Are you tired of crimes in inner cities? Then you need more police and harsher punishment.

kevin corms · Aug 15, 2022

Xzi said:
That might add weight to his sentence, but it's likely they also go after him with the Espionage Act. He didn't just mishandle classified info after all, the only reason for him to hang on to it would be to sell it. Trump's lawyers are also in the shit, because they signed off on a statement saying he had returned all documents that he took months ago.

That’s quite a big leap of logic. There are all kinds of reasons he might have classified information, maybe it makes him look bad, maybe it makes someone he doesn’t like look bad, maybe it’s about aliens, maybe it’s about jfk.

kevin corms · Aug 15, 2022

Nothereed said:
wasn't shocked.

Yes it is just Trump

And?

January6th was a coup attempt. 14 characteristics of fascism, Trump lands on all 14.
They are the following

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

"Make American Great Again" Matches patriotic motto.

Flag condition matched. Then of course you have the bumper stickers and hats.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Support of removal abortion. Plain and simple. Republican party can dress it up as "states rights" but within their states, they removed that right.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

"Back the Blue!"
as a response to BLM
"The illegals are out to rape, kill, and take your benefits crossing the boarder illegally. We must build a wall!"
As a dog whistle against Mexicans.
"ANTIFA did X"
As a scapegoat for Jan6th
(insert CRT comment. Or Transphobia)
We also know this rehetroic drives people to kill, or injure, see the 31. White nationalists/facists who wanted to injure people at a Pride parade)

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

I don't need to explain this one. What country and what is the thing we spend the most on answers it.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Self explanatory, and already a given. Remember when trans people were banned from the military? and or still being denied health care services?

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Trump: All the news is fake news except the news I agree with

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

See border security in point 3.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

supreme court eroding the seperation of church and state. And Trump doing photo ops with bible.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Trump and co providing tax breaks and cuts for the rich, while only temporarily providing tax cuts for poor, raising them further.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Anti union.

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

See lack of funding schools and teachers by Republican party

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

LAW and ORDER!
Says the party who is now whining about the FBI they setup.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

See Trump's ally's asking for pardons on jan6th.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

See jan6th.

False, republican party would of supported looking into extremism in departments. Nearly all of them voted no on that bill. Wonder why (cough, hint, it's because the police force has a nazi problem)

This is a fascist call. Anarchists and left leaning adjacent ideologies will and never bend to any state, we look out for each other. Not a state, not a country.

Biden fits your own description better, especially point 6. Fascists always brainwash large masses of followers into thinking they are the opposite. Trump is just an asshole, not a fascist. Fascists always come into power because people are too focused on getting rid of a leader they don’t like and end up with someone worse. Biden even had a ministry of truth setup, but quickly turned it back to a secretive operation. I suggest you stop reading a bunch of propaganda and actually look at what Biden has done all his career.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Read this, pelosis biographer couldn’t help themselves.

I’m also sorry to say blm (the group) is a fraud that helps nobody. https://nypost.com/2022/02/06/black...a-lesson-about-causes-deemed-beyond-question/

“Antifa” are the opposite of their name, they are mostly spoiled white kids looking for any excuse to destroy anything. The looting and rioting they did shows this. Heck it’s 100% a fascist move to try and stop people from talking because of political beliefs, nobody but a fascist does this.

Xzi · Aug 15, 2022

kevin corms said:
That’s quite a big leap of logic. There are all kinds of reasons he might have classified information, maybe it makes him look bad, maybe it makes someone he doesn’t like look bad, maybe it’s about aliens, maybe it’s about jfk.

Nah, everything he's ever said and done makes him look bad, he has no shame, especially at this stage in his life. He owes $34 million to Deutche Bank next year, and he has zero liquidity. This was a desperate plan to make sure Putin gets paid, because we all know what he does to those who cross him.

Speaking of desperate, he hasn't even called off his rabid dogs from going after the FBI and others involved with executing the warrant. For that matter, he's only made veiled threats.

kevin corms · Aug 15, 2022

Xzi said:
Nah, everything he's ever said and done makes him look bad, he has no shame, especially at this stage in his life. He owes $34 million to Deutche Bank next year, and he has zero liquidity. This was a desperate plan to make sure Putin gets paid, because we all know what he does to those who cross him.

Alright then… that makes perfect sense. The guy he told personally that he would bomb Moscow if Ukraine was touched is the guy trump wants paid.

Xzi · Aug 15, 2022

kevin corms said:
Alright alex jones?

Stay blind to the obvious if you want. This has been Trump's MO his entire life. Money's everything to him and he always ends up in the red. That makes him easy to buy, easy to manipulate.

Tsukiru · Aug 15, 2022

kevin corms said:
Fascists always come into power because people are too focused on getting rid of a leader they don’t like and end up with someone worse.

I mean he did run on "Make America Great Again," to bring back to a nonexistent past that was "lost" directly following the Obama administration. Many talk about how he was "different" (at least in presentation) and how that resonated with White Americans.

Also not sure why you brought BLM (group). If you know enough to distinguish the movement from the group, you should know the group doesn't reflect the movement and people who actually care think about the group. Many of the donation pages and groups I've heard of just weren't theirs at all.

kevin corms · Aug 15, 2022

Tsukiru said:
I mean he did run on "Make America Great Again," to bring back to a nonexistent past that was "lost" directly following the Obama administration. Many talk about how he was "different" (at least in presentation) and how that resonated with White Americans.

Also not sure why you brought BLM (group). If you know enough to distinguish the movement from the group, you should know the group doesn't reflect the movement and people who actually care think about the group.

He brought back Reagan’s campaign slogan, likely because Reagan won in a landslide each election. Trump never said anything bad about black people that I know of, can’t say the same for Biden. Trump actually did get funding to black colleges, and he denounced white supremacy groups about 14 times until he started getting visibly upset when reporters who had already brought it up brought it up again. Chris literally asked him to denounce white supremacist groups in both the Clinton and Biden debate.

Heck when trump said good people on both sides, he immediately denounced the kkk and other groups but propagandists misled you. Here is the full transcript. https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

“Trump: "Those people -- all of those people – excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Why is the truth important? Well it could easily happen to someone else, like Bernie sanders or tulsi gabbard.

Tsukiru · Aug 15, 2022

kevin corms said:
He brought back Reagan’s campaign slogan, likely because Reagan won in a landslide each election.

I'm aware, doesn't change the execution though. And Reagan sucks.

The original post got longer but it's more of the same old. Donating to HBCUs isn't gonna erase the birtherism he definitely took part in. Or his talk of Mexicans or- Actually, what does this have to do with what I said? You don't know me so nor do I think I said anything to warrant a lecture about "propagandists." I just said he resonates a lot with White Americans. Which he does.

kevin corms · Aug 15, 2022

Tsukiru said:
I'm aware, doesn't change the execution though. And Reagan sucks.

Reagan ruined everything and appointed fauci. I know very well, must corrupt administration ever. Regan gutted pretty much every regulation agency, and now fda and cdc is mostly controlled by big pharma and can’t do their own research like they should. Oh but now I’m right wing again for telling the truth…
It’s so frustrating the way people have been hoodwinked by both parties.

kevin corms · Aug 15, 2022

Jayro said:
He literally riled them up at rallies and on Twitter, the fuck you talking about? Head in the sand, as usual.

You mean he did what every politician does? He didn’t tell anyone to take over a building or anything like that, but Biden did tell people to harass judges at their homes.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...late-the-law-by-protesting-at-justices-homes/

It’s weird how people can just make their own reality up.

Tsukiru · Aug 15, 2022

kevin corms said:
Reagan ruined everything and appointed fauci. I know very well, must corrupt administration ever. Regan gutted pretty much every regulation agency, and now fda and cdc is mostly controlled by big pharma and can’t do their own research like they should. Oh but now I’m right wing again for telling the truth…
It’s so frustrating the way people have been hoodwinked by both parties.

I'm not going to use party labels but I am going to call you weird for the direction you took this in. I don't know why you tumbled this into Fauci and big pharma to start complaining about just "telling the truth," rushing to complain about the two parties. More power to you... But I said nothing about your party affiliation. Nor is it related to what we've said. And also just sounds of self pity, oh woe is me being called right wing.

Purple_Shyguy · Aug 15, 2022

Did they find anything he shouldn't have had? No.

So why don't they just apologize and move on? They obviously overstepped over some random unfound allegation.

sombrerosonic · Aug 15, 2022

I hate Pol threads.

Tsukiru · Aug 15, 2022

sombrerosonic said:
I label every alt left and right with angry manchild, Both sides are kinda bad in my opinion, Right screams about lesbians kissing in a movie then riots when they lost a election, while the left screams about you not being woke enough then cancels you on twitter. Both sides are shit in my opinion, and will be untill both calms down, then ill chose.

We need to calm down, Shut the fuck up, and understand that were all have different opinions than the others.

That is... Still not what I'm talking about. Like the whole post is how much that's not related to what I said.

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