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What, you mean like infections, STD's and the like? Not just homosexuals, but most people in this post modern era sleep with more than one person over the course of a life time, though STD's and the like are more prominent in the homosexual community.

There is the whole transference of energies, the fact that you can't have kids, the fact that you find your self sexually attracted to the same anatomy as your own, rather than your opposite which you were made to fit with and reproduce with. In spite of the term being FORCED out of the Mental Disorders books by bullying rather than science, homosexuality is still a mental disorder, just the same as bestiality, promiscuity, pedophilia, and so forth. It also robs you of the natural experience of growing along with your opposite in nature, because yes, MEN and WOMEN are very different. Sexual relations isn't the cure for our existential woes.

If you would like some of what the Bible has to say on the subject:

Romans 1: 24-
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I would say this fits the bill because everyone I know that supports this Cult of Woke, carries just this sort of reprobate mind state.

If you would like to refer to Buddhist text, then we have this piece about the conditions of life and the things we yearn for that do not bring lasting happiness:

The Gospel of Buddha, Lection 2:

Look about and contemplate life! [1]
Everything is transient and nothing endures.
There is birth and death, growth and decay;
there is combination and separation. [2]

The glory of the world is like a flower:
it stands in full bloom in the morning and fades in the heat of the day. [3]

Wherever you look, there is a rushing and struggling, and an eager pursuit of pleasure.
There is a panic flight from pain and death, and hot are the flames of burning desires.
The world is vanity fair, full of changes and transformations.
All is Samsara. [4]

Is there nothing permanent in the world?
Is there in the universal turmoil no resting-place where our troubled heart can find peace?
Is there nothing everlasting? [5]

Oh, that we could have cessation of anxiety,
that our burning desires would be extinguished!
When shall the mind become tranquil and composed? [6]

The Buddha, our Lord, was grieved at the ills of life.
He saw the vanity of worldly happiness
and sought salvation in the one thing that will not fade or perish,
but will abide for ever and ever. [7]

Ye who long for life, know that immortality is hidden intransiency.
Ye who wish for happiness without the sting of regret,
lead a life of righteousness.
Ye who yearn for riches, receive treasures that are eternal.
Truth is wealth, and a life of truth is happiness. [8]

All compounds will be dissolved again,
but the verities which determine all combination and separations
as laws of nature endure forever and aye.
Bodies fall to dust, but the truths of the mind will not be destroyed. [9]

Truth knows neither birth nor death;
it has no beginning and no end.
Welcome the truth. The truth is the immortal part of mind. [10]

Establish the truth in your mind,
for the truth is the image of the eternal;
it portrays the immutable;
it reveals the everlasting;
the truth gives unto mortals the boon of immortality. [11]

The Buddha has proclaimed the truth;
let the truth of the Buddha dwell in your hearts.
Extinguish in your selves every desire that antagonizes the Buddha,
and in the perfection of your spiritual growth you will become like unto him. [12]

That of your heart that cannot or will not develop into Buddha must perish;
for it is mere illusion and unreal;
it is the source of your error;
it is the cause of your misery. [13]

You attain to immortality by filling your minds with truth.
Therefore, become like unto vessles fit to receive the Master's words.
Cleanse yourselves of evil and sanctify your lives.
There is no other way of reaching truth. [14]

Learn to distinguish between Self and Truth.
Self is the cause of selfishness and the source of evil;
truth cleaves to no self;
it is universal and leads to justice and righteousness. [15]

Self, that which seems to those who love their selves as their being,
is not the eternal, the everlasting, the imperishable.
Seek not self,
but seek the truth. [16]

If we liberate our souls from our petty selves, wish no ill toothers,
and become clear as a crystal diamond reflecting the light of truth,
what a radiant picture will appear in us mirroring things as they are,
without the admixture of burning desires,
without the distortion of erroneous illusion,
without the agitation of clinging and unrest. [17]

Yet ye love self and will not abandon self-love.
So be it, but then, verily,
ye should learn to distinguish between the false self and the true self.
The ego with all its egotism is the false self.
It is an unreal illusion and a perishable combination.
He only who identifies his self with the truth will atain Nirvana;
and he who has entered Nirvana has attained Buddhahood;
he has acquired the highest good;
he has become eternal and immortal. [18]

All compound things shall be dissolved again,
worlds will break to pieces and our individualities will be scattered;
but the words of theBuddha will remain for ever. [19]

The extinction of self is salvation;
the annihilation of self is the condition of enlightenment;
the blotting out of self is Nirvana.
Happy is he who has ceased to live for pleasure and rests in the truth.
Verily his composure and tranquillity of mind are the highest bliss. [20]

Let us take our refuge in the Buddha,
for he has found the everlasting in the transient.
Let us take refuge in that which is the immutable in the changes of existence.
Let us take our refuge in the truth that is established through the enlightenment of the Buddha.
Let us take our refuge in the community of those who seek the truth and endeavour to live in the truth. [21]

Seems a little heavy to reinforce your idea that God hates abortions and homosexuals. Didn't the Christian Bible state that we should love one another and that none shall judge, lest he himself be judged? I won't get into this too much further as it derails from the topic, but i always found it kind of sacrilegious to judge your fellow man as if one was God himself.
 

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Seems a little heavy to reinforce your idea that God hates abortions and homosexuals. Didn't the Christian Bible state that we should love one another and that none shall judge, lest he himself be judged? I won't get into this too much further as it derails from the topic, but i always found it kind of sacrilegious to judge your fellow man as if one was God himself.
You are quoting from the Gospel of Matthew 7: 1-2

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Though it goes on to say:

Matthew 7:3-5
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

And then in Matthew 7: 15-20 it reads:


"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

Further more there is Ephesians 5:11 which reads:

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

1 Corinthians 2:15
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

And lastly it states that only God knows a person's heart and is judge of all, including judges! We can only know and discern according to a person's actions and words, but are not to hate them, only their actions, and in place of a hard heart, we must pray for them, forgive them, though of course be wise and not allow them to trip us up.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; - Matthew 5:44



As for abortion:


Exodus 20:13
"Though shall not murder"

Exodus 21:22-23
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,"

{“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and vhe shall pay as the wjudges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life,}

"Leviticus 18:21" (Child Sacrifice)
" And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord."

Luke 1:14-26 (Describing Jon the Baptist as a person, rather than a clump of cells within the womb)

"And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."

Didache 2:3 (1st century Christian text)
"Thou shalt do no murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not corrupt boys, thou shalt not commit fornication, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not deal in magic, thou shalt do no sorcery, thou shalt not murder a child by abortion nor kill them when born, thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods,"
 
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You are quoting from the Gospel of Matthew 7: 1-2

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Though it goes on to say:

Matthew 7:3-5
"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

It seems we're in agreement. Do not judge others least ye yourself be judged, as only God can judge his children.

And then in Matthew 7: 15-20 it reads:


"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

I interpret false prophets as anyone who practices the lord's will as if it were his own. By this quote alone, any evangelist is a false idol as they believe the Lord's children should listen to his (her) word over that of the Lord.

Further more there is Ephesians 5:11 which reads:

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

1 Corinthians 2:15
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

And lastly it states that only God knows a person's heart and is judge of all, including judges! We can only know and discern according to a person's actions and words, but are not to hate them, only their actions, and in place of a hard heart, we must pray for them, forgive them, though of course be wise and not allow them to trip us up.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; - Matthew 5:44


Therefore it's up to God's children to provide love for one another, not discrimination and restriction, because only God can judge his children, and anyone who claims judgement on his behalf is a false idol.


As for abortion:


Exodus 20:13
"Though shall not murder"

That's not about abortion.

Exodus 21:22-23
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,"

{“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and vhe shall pay as the wjudges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life,}


If a fine is to be paid for the loss of the child, then it is deemed by God himself that the child is property, otherwise the man should be condemned to hell, which is clearly not the case in this scripture.

"Leviticus 18:21" (Child Sacrifice)
" And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord."

An abortion is not a sacrifice.

Luke 1:14-26 (Describing Jon the Baptist as a person, rather than a clump of cells within the womb)

"And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb."

The Holy Ghost is the breath of life that filled Jon the Baptist with life while in the womb. Babies aren't capable of breath at least until almost 30 weeks, well beyond the timeframe needed for a majority of abortions.

Didache 2:3 (1st century Christian text)
"Thou shalt do no murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not corrupt boys, thou shalt not commit fornication, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not deal in magic, thou shalt do no sorcery, thou shalt not murder a child by abortion nor kill them when born, thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods,"

Abortion is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible because the word didn't exist then. I'd like to see where this passage comes from. It also sounds off the way the passage reads "Thou shalt not murder" twice.

You've also conveniently left out the original Jewish text, which predates modern Christian principles, in which abortion is viewed as medically necessary at worst.

The fact of the matter is that any reference to a baby before the third trimester is referenced as property in the Christian Bible, which is actually worse than how people view the unborn by today's standards. One could even argue that people have grown from the early Christian days, in the regard of recognizing a baby as a potential human than property which would be paid in cash upon accidental destruction of.

Furthermore, the Bible as a whole teaches that people should love and praise the life that currently exists before the praise of life yet to be, and that any life that is forfeited before the breath of life is breathed into automatically gains entrance to heaven, which is the ultimate goal of Christians.
 

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You're completely wrong on that one. The western world form of marriage came from Rome, centuries before Christianity came to be, and it was regulated by law and not the roman polytheist religion at that time. Rome influenced the early Christianity a lot, including the marriage ritual.
Hate to break it to you, but Christianity is not the only religion in the world. Hindus have been having wedding ceremonies for thousands of years and they have always been between a man and a woman. I guess those brown Indians are just bigots, amirite?
 

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Hate to break it to ya but I can provide numerous examples of Hindu weddings with gay couples. Here is one for example.

https://www.boredpanda.com/traditio...oogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

And I can show you example of example of more gay Hindu's getting "married", as well as Buddhist, Christians, and so forth. I can provide you with Christian sermons that promote homosexuality and in fact tell you that God wants you to be homosexual and trans, and I can also post sermons that are promoting open marriage, but that doesn't mean that any of these people are in line with the traditions, teaching, etc. that they claim to be a part of.

It's like SyphenFreht's response to SOME of my biblical and Buddhist quotes above where in here interprets them as he wishes to support what ever it is that he wishes to support, which is quite a different activity of a true Truth seeker all together.
 

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And I can show you example of example of more gay Hindu's getting "married", as well as Buddhist, Christians, and so forth. I can provide you with Christian sermons that promote homosexuality and in fact tell you that God wants you to be homosexual and trans, and I can also post sermons that are promoting open marriage, but that doesn't mean that any of these people are in line with the traditions, teaching, etc. that they claim to be a part of.

It's like SyphenFreht's response to SOME of my biblical and Buddhist quotes above where in here interprets them as he wishes to support what ever it is that he wishes to support, which is quite a different activity of a true Truth seeker all together.
But isn't the bible a highly esoterical work written by very intelligent and talented jews, and chrisitans misinterpret it, due to the misconception that it is literally written by a god?
 
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It seems we're in agreement. Do not judge others least ye yourself be judged, as only God can judge his children.



I interpret false prophets as anyone who practices the lord's will as if it were his own. By this quote alone, any evangelist is a false idol as they believe the Lord's children should listen to his (her) word over that of the Lord.



Therefore it's up to God's children to provide love for one another, not discrimination and restriction, because only God can judge his children, and anyone who claims judgement on his behalf is a false idol.



That's not about abortion.



If a fine is to be paid for the loss of the child, then it is deemed by God himself that the child is property, otherwise the man should be condemned to hell, which is clearly not the case in this scripture.



An abortion is not a sacrifice.



The Holy Ghost is the breath of life that filled Jon the Baptist with life while in the womb. Babies aren't capable of breath at least until almost 30 weeks, well beyond the timeframe needed for a majority of abortions.



Abortion is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible because the word didn't exist then. I'd like to see where this passage comes from. It also sounds off the way the passage reads "Thou shalt not murder" twice.

You've also conveniently left out the original Jewish text, which predates modern Christian principles, in which abortion is viewed as medically necessary at worst.

The fact of the matter is that any reference to a baby before the third trimester is referenced as property in the Christian Bible, which is actually worse than how people view the unborn by today's standards. One could even argue that people have grown from the early Christian days, in the regard of recognizing a baby as a potential human than property which would be paid in cash upon accidental destruction of.

Furthermore, the Bible as a whole teaches that people should love and praise the life that currently exists before the praise of life yet to be, and that any life that is forfeited before the breath of life is breathed into automatically gains entrance to heaven, which is the ultimate goal of Christians.
No, we are not in agreement, you are just clinging to that one verse and ignoring all the others where it says to judge, where it says to discern, and where it says to reprove wicked things. As I have pointed out, the Bible is quite clear that only God knows a persons' heart and is the final judge upon their life, though in the mean time, while we may not know a person's heart, we can learn a lot about them through their fruits; that being their actions, words, etc. With that in mind we can compare them to scripture and see where they are not scriptural. Where upon we are supposed to call them out for what they are, we are supposed to reprove in truth as we are not supposed to lie, and we are not supposed to turn a blind eye. That said we are not to hate the individual, but hate the evil and illusion that has consumed them, and further more we are to pray for them that they get better. This is the same as a parent's love for their child, and in this case it is about our love for God's truth, and our desire for them to align or re-align with God's truth so that they no longer suffer needlessly by living against the edicts of God Word.

As for your interpretation of the bit about false prophets... just in it's very statement it suggests that there are non-false prophets and therefore people do and can speak the true will of God.


You skipped some of my quotes so you could twist what few you didn't skip to mean what you want them to say. That's not how the Bible works.

As for the word abortion not existing back in the day... yes, but the act did. Abortion is a modern word used for modern translations to break down the meaning to English readers. If you would like to know the original text then I would direct you to seeking out it's Latin original and learning a few things about Latin.


Spirit is Breath, The Hold Spirit or Holy Ghost is something different all together. If you were fond of the Bible, which you are not, then you would already know that. It's Christianity 101.


No where does it suggest that a pregnant woman is just carrying "property", the act of creation, recreation, birth, and so on is held very sacred in Christian scripture, this is NOT a pagan or materialist religion.


I don't know what Jewish text you are referring, then again I am not a Jew so the most Jewish texts I keep familiar with is within the Bible itself.
 

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But isn't the bible a highly esoterical work written by very intelligent and talented jews, and chrisitans misinterpret it, due to the misconception that it is literally written by a god?
Yes it is esoteric in the sense that it unfolds as you come to understand it as well as your self better, and yes it is esoteric in that it makes references to astrology and the like within it's pages, but no, I would not say that it's merely the biproduct of intellect and that it has only been mistakenly interpreted to be the inspired words of God, though Christian, Jews, and non-Christians a like misinterpret it daily, yes.
 

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No, we are not in agreement, you are just clinging to that one verse and ignoring all the others where it says to judge, where it says to discern, and where it says to reprove wicked things. As I have pointed out, the Bible is quite clear that only God knows a persons' heart and is the final judge upon their life, though in the mean time, while we may not know a person's heart, we can learn a lot about them through their fruits; that being their actions, words, etc. With that in mind we can compare them to scripture and see where they are not scriptural. Where upon we are supposed to call them out for what they are, we are supposed to reprove in truth as we are not supposed to lie, and we are not supposed to turn a blind eye. That said we are not to hate the individual, but hate the evil and illusion that has consumed them, and further more we are to pray for them that they get better. This is the same as a parent's love for their child, and in this case it is about our love for God's truth, and our desire for them to align or re-align with God's truth so that they no longer suffer needlessly by living against the edicts of God Word.

So if we're supposed to hate the idea and not hate the individuals, then why enact laws of man to punish these people when it's supposed to be up to God to punish his children? When we restrict the freedom of people to live as they see fit, we are judging them in God's place, thereby inferring ourselves as false idols. You may say I'm stuck on one verse, but it seems more apparent that I'm stuck on the ten commandments, rather than misinterpreting the Bible and twisting it's word to fit my own ideals. At the end of the day the Bible preaches love, not subjugation. Or am I wrong in that assessment?

As for your interpretation of the bit about false prophets... just in it's very statement it suggests that there are non-false prophets and therefore people do and can speak the true will of God.

Are you a prophet of God? Are American law makers prophets of God?

You skipped some of my quotes so you could twist what few you didn't skip to mean what you want them to say. That's not how the Bible works.

I don't believe I skipped anything. In fact, I believe I itemized every quote. If I missed one, can you provide it?

Aren't you cherry picking the Bible to prove your point?

As for the word abortion not existing back in the day... yes, but the act did. Abortion is a modern word used for modern translations to break down the meaning to English readers. If you would like to know the original text then I would direct you to seeking out it's Latin original and learning a few things about Latin.

You're right, however you have yet to provide any text that specifically refers to the act outside of the Bible confirming that an unborn child is property.

Spirit is Breath, The Hold Spirit or Holy Ghost is something different all together. If you were fond of the Bible, which you are not, then you would already know that. It's Christianity 101.

Actually, according to the concept of the Holy Trinity, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all the same thing. Are you sure you understand Christianity?

No where does it suggest that a pregnant woman is just carrying "property", the act of creation, recreation, birth, and so on is held very sacred in Christian scripture, this is NOT a pagan or materialist religion.

It's literally in the scripture you provided. I would suggest you read it again.

I don't know what Jewish text you are referring, then again I am not a Jew so the most Jewish texts I keep familiar with is within the Bible itself.

The Torah.

It's like SyphenFreht's response to SOME of my biblical and Buddhist quotes above where in here interprets them as he wishes to support what ever it is that he wishes to support, which is quite a different activity of a true Truth seeker all together.

But isn't that what you're doing? Unless you've grown up in the church and have been accepted into the higher society of priests, rabbis and such, you only have the knowledge that you've inferred, not been taught by those who understand the Bible for what it is.

Even from a philosophical point of view, the original text were transcribed by those closest to God, of which many of the books were named, many centuries ago. Man is fallible; each new edition or rewrite is nothing more than man's interpretation of the original texts, and each new rewrite is a bastardization of the rewrite before it. The newest iteration of text is so far removed from the original ideas that God intended his people to interpret and follow that to follow the current word at it's face could be considered an affront to God himself. You can't interpret an interpretation of an interpretation and expect to still hold to the same original ideals.

For someone who didn't wish to be attacked, your last two posts quoting my words and tagging my name seems to be very attacking. Isn't hypocrisy something that your lord frowns upon as well?
 
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Hate to break it to you, but Christianity is not the only religion in the world. Hindus have been having wedding ceremonies for thousands of years and they have always been between a man and a woman. I guess those brown Indians are just bigots, amirite?
What are you talking about? American marriage institution did not came from Hindi rituals, it came straight up from Rome. It was a law based institution, then it was appropriated by early Christians, and centuries later arrived on McDonald's land.
 
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So if we're supposed to hate the idea and not hate the individuals, then why enact laws of man to punish these people when it's supposed to be up to God to punish his children? When we restrict the freedom of people to live as they see fit, we are judging them in God's place, thereby inferring ourselves as false idols. You may say I'm stuck on one verse, but it seems more apparent that I'm stuck on the ten commandments, rather than misinterpreting the Bible and twisting it's word to fit my own ideals. At the end of the day the Bible preaches love, not subjugation. Or am I wrong in that assessment?



Are you a prophet of God? Are American law makers prophets of God?



I don't believe I skipped anything. In fact, I believe I itemized every quote. If I missed one, can you provide it?

Aren't you cherry picking the Bible to prove your point?



You're right, however you have yet to provide any text that specifically refers to the act outside of the Bible confirming that an unborn child is property.



Actually, according to the concept of the Holy Trinity, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all the same thing. Are you sure you understand Christianity?



It's literally in the scripture you provided. I would suggest you read it again.



The Torah.



But isn't that what you're doing? Unless you've grown up in the church and have been accepted into the higher society of priests, rabbis and such, you only have the knowledge that you've inferred, not been taught by those who understand the Bible for what it is.

Even from a philosophical point of view, the original text were transcribed by those closest to God, of which many of the books were named, many centuries ago. Man is fallible; each new edition or rewrite is nothing more than man's interpretation of the original texts, and each new rewrite is a bastardization of the rewrite before it. The newest iteration of text is so far removed from the original ideas that God intended his people to interpret and follow that to follow the current word at it's face could be considered an affront to God himself. You can't interpret an interpretation of an interpretation and expect to still hold to the same original ideals.

For someone who didn't wish to be attacked, your last two posts quoting my words and tagging my name seems to be very attacking. Isn't hypocrisy something that your lord frowns upon as well?
If you will recall, Jesus himself did not always speak kind words, not even to his Disciples. There was even an instance where he went into a Jewish temple and being displeased with what he witnessed in there, he fashioned a whip then went into the building kicking over tables and chasing people out.

I think you are lost on that white, prestine, homo-erotic, shampoo model version of Jesus that we see in pictures everywhere. You know, the one's where he looks like he never faced adversity a day in his life, never suffered, never did a full days work, never walked a mile, etc. Just a kind soft Jesus who means no one any harm and keeps the truth to himself so that no one is offended.

I can save us both a lot of time. If you want to know what the Bible says, then study it patiently, and sincerely. Be prepared to learn about ancient cultures, be prepared to learn a thing or two about Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, prepare to think you've got an understanding only to read further and realize that you've not got it all worked out quite yet. After all, studying the Bible like having a relationship with the Creator of All, is a process, it is not pragmatic, and it is not easy.

On the other hand if you just want to pick and choose points to challenge without attempting to sincerely understanding it as a whole; you will find your job easy.

Besides, you would be a fool to think I have all the answers. I didn't write the Bible and I certainly am not responsible for all of creation. Rather I do the best I can and try to do better as time goes on. I try to embrace the truth even if it offends me, scares, me, or confuses me for a time. And while I am not perfect, I try to aspire towards perfection, and the only way I know it is by instruction from spirit when I am still and have ears to hear and eyes to see, and revelations from scripture that slowly reveal them selves to me as I continue in my studies.


P.S. Without law and order there would be chaos. It seems that that is what the Woke movement is all about. Do what ever you want, without consequences....

Life ain't like that, and you will eventually hurt others in living as such. This is reflected in when a parent disciplines their child for doing wrong. They discipline not out of hate, and not because they want to hurt the child, but because they want to get the child's attention and correct them from engaging in further error.
 

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What are you talking about? American marriage institution did not came from Hindi rituals, it came straight up from Rome. It was a law based institution, then it was appropriated by early Christians, and centuries later arrived on McDonald's land.
Marriage pre-dates Rome, was not a construct of State, and was also practiced by many of the Native "tribes" of old America. In fact it would be best if the state remained out of marriage because marriage again has spiritual foundation, rather than foundation within the world itself.
 

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Marriage pre-dates Rome, was not a construct of State, and was also practiced by many of the Native "tribes" of old America. In fact it would be best if the state remained out of marriage because marriage again has spiritual foundation, rather than foundation within the world itself.
It's fun you remember native Americans, because some tribes had same sex religious marriages.
 

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It's fun you remember native Americans, because some tribes had same sex religious marriages.
Someone has been watching Little Big Man. ;)
Yes, I am aware of the "twin soul" thing that that one tribe was talking about, and if there is any historical truth to it, then I would say it was a VERY isolated practice.

I'm sure if we had all records of history we may find accounts all over the world where this might have occurred at some time, but we have no records that suggest it was a cultural norm until the present, after Freud, after Wilhelm Reich wrote The Sexual Revolution, after the establishment of the Frankfurt school and critical theory here in the west, after the influence of Herbert Marcuse, post modernism, etc., after Alfred Kinsey wrote his two books on male and female sexuality and made it on the cover of all the popular magazines at the time, and after the medical books on mental health were changed, not by scientific findings, but by force and bullying tactics.

You forget that you and your like subscribe to a secular religion, and your not even familiar with it's authors, what they were like, and what motivated them. In fact half of the heroes of the pride movement were in fact pro pedo.

 

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What are you talking about? American marriage institution did not came from Hindi rituals, it came straight up from Rome. It was a law based institution, then it was appropriated by early Christians, and centuries later arrived on McDonald's land.
I never said anything about any American marriage institution. You do know there is a whole world out there that is not American, right? I mean, you do know this basic fact, right?
 
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