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Roe V Wade has been repealed

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If this is your logical conclusion, then why even outlaw abortions in the first place? Why make people travel to get safe abortions, when we could just leave them legal and safe all over?
honestly, it doesn't really matter to me, I didn't like how the government had to step in and tell us what we can and can't limit, now that that ruling is gone, maybe we can start getting rid of all the stupid taxes, and maybe, just maybe, increase the standard of living by having a lot less taxes and a lot less government intervention.
 
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Of course, I know that. I mostly hoped in and tried to steer away the off-topicness plus it just turned absurd now.
Threads like this are always expected to be absurd.

I'm sure you were trying to divert attention elsewhere. But you know that'll never work even before you hoped in. I'm just picking your brain out of boredom.
 

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honestly, it doesn't really matter to me, I didn't like how the government had to step in and tell us what we can and can't limit, now that that ruling is gone, maybe we can start getting rid of all the stupid taxes, and maybe, just maybe, increase the standard of living by having a lot less taxes and a lot less government intervention.
Lower taxes and less government intervention don't increase quality of life, higher wages and more government intervention increases quality of life. It isn't rocket science, government intervention means individuals can't ignore public interests in the pursuit of profits above all else i.e. polution and worker safety, and lower taxes means less money for public projects like roads and functioning sewers and ideally public health care like they have everywhere else in the world. That is how societies work~
 

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That was some dumb shit you originally said. I was quoting you. Lol.

So it's dumb because it's a psychological fact that that's how people interact? You're a weird guy.

I don't like talking about abortion. I like talking about pregnancy. I have an issue with people talking about pregnancy like it's a bad thing. Circumstances around pregnancy can be bad, I admit, but that's not pregnancy's fault.

Well that explains a lot. You mistook something I said because you hopped in mid conversation and then ran with it because you were already too far ingrained with trying to prove me wrong on a platform you, again, clearly misunderstood.

Everyone makes mistakes kiddo. Nothing wrong with that as long as you learn from them.

Again, to reiterate, I don't think pregnancy is valueless. It means a lot to the few people involved. However, in regards to pro capitalist pro lifers, every pregnancy only has value in what they feel they can gain. Otherwise, anyone who isn't directly involved with the baby has no business being a part of any pregnancy, period.
 

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You are right that the discussion is invited. But I didn't make the claim. If @SyphenFreht could answer first, then I'd be happy to chime in. I only brought it up because it was his claim.

Let's prove your lack of arrogance then. When and where did I state that in regards to it being my claim? After all these posts, after having multiple posters prove you wrong, you're still on this shoddy platform. You've asked, or otherwise implied, others to back up their claims. Back yours up. Show us how humble you really are.
 

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Again, to reiterate, I don't think pregnancy is valueless. It means a lot to the few people involved.
It CAN mean a lot to some people, however those are unlikely to be seeking an abortion.

The point I was making is that pregnancy doesn't automatically have a value.

"congratulations, your rape has resulted in a pregnancy, you must be so excited"
 

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A rare instance of me approving of your post. Morality isn’t objective, it is socially constructed. Different people have very different ideas on what is and isn’t moral. As far as our moral compass is concerned, we generally agree on some baseline things, but differ wildly when it comes to the details.
 

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A 10 yr old girl got raped and became pregnant and had to travel to Ohio to get an abortion
No exceptions... and by that, I mean every conservative leaning individual in this thread is a selfish ignorant and short sighted misogynistic bag of fecal matter. This is literally the beginning of a wave of preventable tragedies for no good reason.
 

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You were comparing the last years of a single individual vs hundreds of fertilized eggs ready to be implanted. Now you compare 6mio to 6mio.
Sleight of hand?
I can increase the number to 100 million eggs. It still doesn't change the outcome. They aren't equal to even a single person.

How quickly the genocide happened also has no bearing on anything. It could be in a single day, or stretched out over multiple years. It still doesn't change the value of a fertilized egg comparative to a human.
 

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I can increase the number to 100 million eggs. It still doesn't change the outcome. They aren't equal to even a single person.

How quickly the genocide happened also has no bearing on anything. It could be in a single day, or stretched out over multiple years. It still doesn't change the value of a fertilized egg comparative to a human.
Fertilized egg means it is from a couple who has tried to conceive. It certainly has value for the couple. Hundreds of couples´ hope vs a few years at the end of sb´s life.
You spoke of an old man purposefully. Someone who has a few years left to live is worth less than someone who has her life ahead of her and potentially have children.

Do not make the mistake to deify your personal views.
 

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Good, the right to life should always be prioritised
Got it, lemme write that down...
  • Prioritize life
    • UNLESS it is the life of a woman who is pregnant with a still born that will ultimately be fatal
      • In this scenario, the woman's life does not matter and should not be prioritized
    • Or, financially speaking, the life of a woman who cannot afford to raise children in the current economical climate
      • Even if the future child will suffer as a result of the mother's financial status
    • Or, emotionally speaking, the life of a woman who does not have well endowed mental faculties and will neglect the future child if it is born
      • Even if the future child will suffer as a result of the mother's mental state
I think I got it! :D
 

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Jews do not believe foetuses are sentient or have a soul, they believe that only happens when they first draw breath FYI.
That was not my point.

According to the Torah, if you accidently cause a miscarriage, you have to pay the mother damages. If a fetus has no value (see titan_tim), then you wouldn´t have to pay damages.
 
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No exceptions... and by that, I mean every conservative leaning individual in this thread is a selfish ignorant and short sighted misogynistic bag of fecal matter. This is literally the beginning of a wave of preventable tragedies for no good reason.
I myself, am somewhat conservative but I do not support the abortion ban, I think it destroys freedom
 

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Fertilized egg means it is from a couple who has tried to conceive. It certainly has value for the couple. Hundreds of couples´ hope vs a few years at the end of sb´s life.
You spoke of an old man purposefully. Someone who has a few years left to live is worth less than someone who has her life ahead of her and potentially have children.

Do not make the mistake to deify your personal views.
That's the fun thing about hypotheticals. They can be changed to further a point any time. Let's say that instead of an old man, it's a small kid. I'd like to hope that you'd choose the little kid instead of a bunch of fertilized eggs. By your logic, the case has more years of life than the kid, so you'd let it burn for the hope of kids that don't yet exist.

I only like to choose the old man example because it further emphasizes how little a fertilized egg is worth.
 

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That's the fun thing about hypotheticals. They can be changed to further a point any time. Let's say that instead of an old man, it's a small kid. I'd like to hope that you'd choose the little kid instead of a bunch of fertilized eggs. By your logic, the case has more years of life than the kid, so you'd let it burn for the hope of kids that don't yet exist.

I only like to choose the old man example because it further emphasizes how little a fertilized egg is worth.
It depends. If it´s Baby Hitler, i´d choose the suitcase. If the suitcase is full of supremacist titan_tim fetuses, i`d save an old man who is has less than a minute to live.
 

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It depends. If it´s Baby Hitler, i´d choose the suitcase. If the suitcase is full of supremacist titan_tim fetuses, i`d save an old man who is has less than a minute to live.
Sad dodge. But the if baby = _____ person argument, then it could go either way. You may have just let the child who becomes the doctor who cures cancer. It's a pointless thing to bring up.

Just remember, it's just like the old saying: "A million well meaning hopes and promises aren't worth one single good deed." The same thing for a fertilized egg vs a real kid.
 
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