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Roe V Wade has been repealed

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Is this is what left wing teachers are teaching kids nowadays, there's no wonder parents are in uproar at the gaslighting that's being taught. There's male and female and that's it, no matter how much mental gymnastics you do in your head, and that's all there has ever been of will ever be for the human species.

Woman - Biological adult female human.
Man - Biological adult male human.

There's nothing else, all that stuff you were gaslit into believing is false. You will come realise this on your own in time sooner or later.
You know, I have to ask something of Republicans. When was the last time your position changed?
Because it sounds like you haven't moved away from the talking points from 50 years ago. Your also a climate change denier. And against LGBTQ people.
What's wrong with being against Alphabet people
Your not exactly in the best light with a lot of people. So saying "muh only women and man" is overwhelming self absorbed. Because it proves that you believe yourself as infallible, even though times have changed, you refuse.
 

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I think it's required that we add some context mr tabzer. Since he was not replying to you at that time.
Start of the reply chain in order.






Intentionally pulling out something from a similar but different argument is rather bs don't you think?
Other people said stuff. So it was a heated response? A rebuttal would do better.
 

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This is you saying that it has no value to society, then when called out, you asked me "when does it have value?" as if rephrasing it as a question makes your initial claim less nihilistic.

You also left out the part where my original quote was in reference to the comment on living in a capitalistic society, where everything has an inherent value. You've taken what I've said out of context to try and further discredit my point.

Since some advanced parsing needs to be made so you can catch up with the rest of the class, let's break it down like this:

In America, a capitalistic society where everything inherently is designated value based on it's contribution to said society, a baby has no value. Babies contribute nothing to society, and only exist as a potential product. Is that a morally good way to exist? No, but that's a problem with society, another thread.

A baby further only has value to those who care about it. We can argue all day whether life intrinsically is valuable on it's own or not, but that's a religious argument for another thread. In the confines of this thread, a baby holds no current value aside from it's immediate family, and maybe some friends of the family. It's life is completely meaningless to everyone else who doesn't hold the view that they can profit from it some way later in it's life.

With that being said, if you or anyone else cares about the baby outside of religious influence, it's because you see the potential value of it later on, and most likely it's monetary based. You can't say it could be a great leader, because we've had both Obamas (good) and Hitlers (bad). And if the only reason you see a baby being of value is because it might contribute later, that's deplorable. But then again, that's why Republicans want control. They see people as products, nothing more. You, nor anyone in your platform, have no sympathy or care for the babies at hand, you only care about the future you think it will have. That's apparent in your complete disregard for the type of environment the baby is born into. Sure, it's not your problem, but your blanket perspective nullifies the main scenario babies who aren't wanted are born into.

Sorry if that wasn't "parsed" enough, but I shouldn't have to pander to someone who's proven multiple times that if anyone is on the spectrum, it's them. How many times now have you shown your inability to interact on a social basis with your continued attempts at ignoring questions and context in favor of having one sided arguments? You make jest as if being on the spectrum is a stigma; between that and your control issues, you're more of an asshole than I am 😉


If you tell me, flat out, that you are on the spectrum, I'll let you be to run around doing as you please--with no further commentary.

Well that's not nearly as entertaining as arguing with those less mentally capable.

Other people said stuff. So it was a heated response? A rebuttal would do better.

Semantics again. It's almost like you enjoy being proven wrong, but then have this weird inability to admit to it.
 
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Actually, if you looked a few posts back, I did state that there was previous other rulings they could of used to keep Roe v Wade as constitutional (and make sense from a precedent standpoint)
Tl;dr there's a group of rulings that essentially state that the United States cannot apply the law to the unborn. And a lot of the cases go much, much further back. The only issue with Roe v Wade (and what they keep stating) is that the right to privacy clause is too vauge. (Even though technically the 9th amendment could also apply here. That the right to an abortion is again, not up to the federal government, nor states. But "to the people")
Point being, no that argument doesn't exactly work, there's more than plenty of ways they could of kept Roe, while also changing the legal basis into something stronger.

I must've missed that one, I apologize.

I'm super curious about the right to privacy clause. I wonder how Republicans argue that point, aside from the obviously hypocritical. Thanks for pointing all of that out.
 

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You know, I have to ask something of Republicans. When was the last time your position changed?
Because it sounds like you haven't moved away from the talking points from 50 years ago. Your also a climate change denier. And against LGBTQ people.

Your not exactly in the best light with a lot of people. So saying "muh only women and man" is overwhelming self absorbed. Because it proves that you believe yourself as infallible, even though times have changed, you refuse.
A: How the hell would I know what republicans think - I don't have the powers of the XMAN - professor charles xavier.
B: Climate change has always been a thing, that's why we have seasons, I think you'll find there's been at least 5 ice ages and humans weren't around to cause them. If you want to study climate change - you need to study it on geologial scale time patterns and not just since the start of the industrial revolution. You need to take things into consideration such as gravity from other planets, their orbits, sun activity, earths magnetic fields, etc.....but that's nothing to do with abortion so try that in another thread.
C: Alphabet people - hmmmmmm, they are not for me and I don't buy into their crap, so we'll leave it at that.

As for the rest of your post - meh!
 
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A: How the hell would I know what republicans think - I don't have the powers of the XMAN - professor charles xavier.
B: Cimate change has always been a thing, that's why we have seasons, I think you'll find there's been at least 5 ice ages and humans weren't around to cause them. If you want to study climate change - you need to study it on geologial scale time patterns and not just since the start of the industrial revolution. You need to take things into consideration such as gravity from other planets, their orbits, sun activity, earths magnetic fields, etc.....but that's nothing to do with abortion so try that in another thread.
C: Alphabet people - hmmmmmm, they are not for me and I don't buy into their crap, so we'll leave it at that.

As for the rest of your post - meh!
Wow so you liked a post you didn't even fully read.
you already asked that question. And you already got decked on for your climate denying stance.
So you don't get to just get decked once for failing to read. But now twice
Here we have another climate denier. I'll make it extra special to grill you to the max. Only fair since you threw so many personal attacks.
First off, we're in a freezing period, and the temperatures are still rising. This is not normal. climate scientist's have measured the temperature and total carbon emissions through using deeply drilled ice to measure co2 levels captured in said ice. We also know a fuck ton of what the temperatures were back then through various data. Such as people measuring the total amount of sunspots over the ages, which essentially told us that the sun hasn't became much hotter. And through using other methods of tempeturr measuring.Now I guess you must of bought into the coal industries lies that they are somehow not causing the planet to warm up. Why the fuck do you think we've been experiencing non stop drought?
Oh and I'll agree all parties are corrupt
But the Republican party is the most corrupt for forcing their bullshit policies on the majority of people. Actively siding with actual fucking Nazis. and if you want to pretend that isn't the case

Why was there at least 4 different white supremacists groups at the capital.
And you liked my response on this one. You better take a fat L on this one chief
 

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You also left out the part where my original quote was in reference to the comment on living in a capitalistic society, where everything has an inherent value.

You are going to have to quote yourself because I cannot find it.

A baby further only has value to those who care about it. We can argue all day whether life intrinsically is valuable on it's own or not, but that's a religious argument for another thread

It's not religious to suggest that society relies on reproduction or that value is determined by the living.

Well that's not nearly as entertaining as arguing with those less mentally capable.

I don't find that entertaining.

So you are currently at the Ad Hominem stage of the debate you are losing horribly
Guy suggested to poll those that have no voice to see how they feel about my representation of them (to find that they disapprove). I was being polite. My wife's a pilot now so there's still hope for you.
 
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You are going to have to quote yourself because I cannot find it.

It's already been posted. I'm sure you saw it.

It's not religious to suggest that society relies on reproduction or that value is determined by the living.

The former? No, but neither side of that argument in particular has been provided thus far. Maybe you should run with that.

The latter? Of course it is. Religion was the first driving force behind designating morality over the globe as a whole through one particular set of idealized morals. Yes there's the inherent need for solidarity and things like compassion, but religion, Christianity, was the first to push the "love thy neighbor" concept onto everyone, everywhere, to the point it's become synonymous with society.

I don't find that entertaining.

Everyone has their vice.

Guy suggested to poll those that have no voice to see how they feel about my representation of them (to find that they disapprove). I was being polite.

I, too, was being polite.
 

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Is this is what left wing teachers are teaching kids nowadays, there's no wonder parents are in uproar at the gaslighting that's being taught. There's male and female and that's it, no matter how much mental gymnastics you do in your head, and that's all there has ever been or will ever be for the human species.

Woman - Biological adult female human.
Man - Biological adult male human.

There's nothing else, all that stuff you were gaslit into believing is false. You will come realise this on your own in time, sooner or later the penny will drop.
There are characteristics of gender (lots, in fact) that are purely subjective and vary by society. Attire, mannerisms, roles, etc. are purely arbitrary.
 

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There are characteristics of gender (lots, in fact) that are purely subjective and vary by society. Attire, mannerisms, roles, etc. are purely arbitrary.
What you just described is not related to gender but culture. And guess what, women look like women and men look like men in every culture, every ethnic, every country and every continent. We're still natural animals no matter how many clothes you put on and how many surgeries you go through, you won't ever be an artificial genderless anthropomorphic entinity; you're a human, either male or female.

Now go ahead and call me homophobic since that's the only thing you will ever come up with to counter my arguments.
And once you do call me a homophobic, answer me this:
If gender is a social construct, then so are Gays and Lesbians, since you can't define what a Lesbian is unless you define what a woman is. Therefore your theory states that Gays and Lesbians are unnatural, the result of societal perception.
I don't know how many gays you've met, but all the ones I have met were all men, clearly defined male humans, same for lesbians, all the ones I've met were female.
 

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It's already been posted. I'm sure you saw it.

I guess this epitomizes your position. Even if what you say is true, that there was some capitalistic pretext underscoring your claim that pregnancy is worthless, I'd still be able to argue against it from multiple positions, including ones you've asserted. I am incapable of finding a rationalization to your claim. Reads nihilistic.
 

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I guess this epitomizes your position. Even if what you say is true, that there was some capitalistic pretext underscoring your claim that pregnancy is worthless, I'd still be able to argue against it from multiple positions, including ones you've asserted. I am incapable of finding a rationalization to your claim. Reads nihilistic.

Well you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

It's a shame you're still the only one purposely misreading what I've said, but I'm not an educator, so the only thing i can say is that I wish you the best in educating yourself.
 
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Is this is what left wing teachers are teaching kids nowadays, there's no wonder parents are in uproar at the gaslighting that's being taught. There's male and female and that's it, no matter how much mental gymnastics you do in your head, and that's all there has ever been or will ever be for the human species.h

Woman - Biological adult female human.
Man - Biological adult male human.

There's nothing else, all that stuff you were gaslit into believing is false. You will come realise this on your own in time, sooner or later the penny will drop.
Yet I, a biological XX male, exists 🤔
Why am I not shocked that people who hold restrictive views on abortion are the same people wanting to restrict other’s freedoms of identity and expression?
 

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Well you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
It's easy to show me what you said. Saying that it's out there somewhere is your decision.

The claim that I am purposefully misreading something is unfounded. Instead of saying that you didn't mean what you said in the interpretable manner, you pretended you never said it.
 

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Well you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

It's a shame you're still the only one purposely misreading what I've said, but I'm not an educator, so the only thing i can say is that I wish you the best in educating yourself.
I would highly suggest not wasting your time or energy on him. He’s known for deliberately editing quotes, “misinterpreting” what you said, or just straight up trying to control the conversation. You are literally better off trying to talk a rock into walking on own.
 

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Yet I, a biological XX male, exists 🤔
Why am I not shocked that people who hold restrictive views on abortion are the same people wanting to restrict other’s freedoms of identity and expression?
If you could demonstrate how your ilk will live on, maybe that would carry some weight.

Frankly, I'm tired of you jumping in like you are some sort of example or proof that a lifestyle is functional when half of your posts are about how you cannot function.
 

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If you could demonstrate how your ilk will live on, maybe that would carry some weight.

Frankly, I'm tired of you jumping in like you are some sort of example or proof that a lifestyle is functional when half of your posts are about how you cannot function.
Franky I am tired of you still logging on, yet here we are
 

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I would choose the briefcase. The briefcase contains thousands of years of life with the potential to become millions of years of life. It would be selfish of the old man to assume that he should be saved instead. It is a typical way of thinking among semites (Arabs, Jews) and alluded to in both Islam and Judaism. My thinking is not based on religion though. I mean it as I have stated it.
A single person is not a plural btw; i hate it when people write "they". So confusing.
Jews do not believe foetuses are sentient or have a soul, they believe that only happens when they first draw breath FYI.
 
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Franky I am tired of you still logging on, yet here we are
I didn't "edit quotes". I used the quote format to paraphrase satire a couple of times, about a couple years ago. My intentions were transparent, and if I remember correctly, you were upset that it made you look stupid, not because it was intellectually dishonest. If you want to accuse me of something, you should accommodate with sources so we can relive the hilarity that actually took place. I believe it had something to do with you claiming that your politician was a better choice because he raped fewer people or something to that affect, when I was arguing that they all should be tossed.
 
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