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Do you feel the USA is better now than it was 22 years ago?

Are things getting better or worse for the "Greatest Country in the World"?

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Not a utopia by any means, but the 90s were the only decade of my life when the US wasn't perpetually at war. 9/11 was also the beginning of the new American surveillance state, which is something that has only gotten worse since, and will eventually grow to rival China's. AKA twenty cameras every ten feet.
It was always like that, with 9/11 they had a useful event to make it more explicit, but I see your point.
 

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It was always like that, with 9/11 they had a useful event to make it more explicit, but I see your point.
Very few people had cell phones in the 90s, and our most advanced webcams displayed like two pixels. The infrastructure necessary for a surveillance state didn't exist. That said, even after 9/11 the right to privacy was still constitutionally guaranteed, at least up until last week.
 

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Very few people had cell phones in the 90s, and our most advanced webcams displayed like two pixels. The infrastructure necessary for a surveillance state didn't exist. That said, even after 9/11 the right to privacy was still constitutionally guaranteed, at least up until last week.
You are right. The technology has improved but the 'all seeing eye' type cults very powerful long before.
 

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Not a utopia by any means, but the 90s were the only decade of my life when the US wasn't perpetually at war.
The Iraq war, Bosnian war, and war in Kosovo was in the 90's I was in all of those places many times and saw the US in Iraq and Kosovo and the US helped out in Bosnia with the Dayton peace agreements and was helping imlpementing them.
 

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The Iraq war, Bosnian war, and war in Kosovo was in the 90's I was in all of those places many times and saw the US in Iraq and Kosovo and the US helped out in Bosnia with the Dayton peace agreements and was helping imlpementing them.
True, my dad was deployed to Bosnia. Might've been more accurate to say that the US didn't start any wars in the 90s. It was also a relatively short time frame in which we were involved in those conflicts.
 

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Not an American but it seems like US politics has formed the blueprint of polarised political opposition. Not saying that left vs. right was never the case up until now, but these days the 'side you belong to' is basically a shibboleth as to whether you should even be listened to or taken seriously. It's upsetting to hear people here in the UK talk in the same way because that was never our way of discourse, but then being a willing cultural satellite of the US isn't new to us.
 
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Not an American but it seems like US politics has formed the blueprint of polarised political opposition. Not saying that left vs. right was never the case up until now, but these days the 'side you belong to' is basically a shibboleth as to whether you should even be listened to or taken seriously. It's upsetting to hear people here in the UK talk in the same way because that was never our way of discourse, but then being a willing cultural satellite of the US isn't new to us.
Divide and conquer! If they don't divide us with politics then it's religion. If not religion then it's race. If all else fails they have the vaccine argument. No matter what side you choose we all lose in the end.
 
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True, my dad was deployed to Bosnia. Might've been more accurate to say that the US didn't start any wars in the 90s. It was also a relatively short time frame in which we were involved in those conflicts.
I was in Bosnia for 4 tours, In Kosovo for 2 tours, and Iraq - I spend most of the 90's on tours - I even sqeezed a cheeky little 6 month tour of Belize in 93. Then in the 2000's - Iraq again and then Afghanistan....so most of my military service was spent touring or on courses/training for wars.
 
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Divide and conquer! If they don't divide us with politics then it's religion. If not religion then it's race. If all else fails they have the vaccine argument. No matter what side you choose we all lose in the end.
Agreed. People roll their eyes at 'centrists' but I think the best route in life is not to commit wholly to either side of the bigger picture. People will always disagree but that's what makes the world improve and we can always find common ground, even if things can never be perfect.
 

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I'm not quite sure, but I am going to assume that the loons are the woke who believe that others are beneath them and not worth common decency. It is a valid criticism from what I have observed. There is a strong believe amoung the 'woke' that they have the moral highground and others are just bigoted. This is in my view misguided. They behave like the clerus of the hegemon and dismiss their opposition with their platitudes, which I think is a mistake for a number of reasons.
As predicted, you have it upside down.

You are far more bigoted than me, you don't even seem to mind displaying it in public.

Loons are those who attack others who just want everyone to be nice to each other, people like you.
 

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The US has always been a dogshit nation laden in corruption and built on slavery and imperialism. My quality of life is irrelevant given what the cost in quality of life was to others just so I could have mine, so I'd say America is still pretty bad and has only gotten worse.
 

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The US has always been a dogshit nation laden in corruption and built on slavery and imperialism. My quality of life is irrelevant given what the cost in quality of life was to others just so I could have mine, so I'd say America is still pretty bad and has only gotten worse.
I love how Americans go on about slavery, They killed the original inhabitants of the Americas, stole their land and pushed the survivors into reservations - but you never hear a peep about that and they won't give the land back either or pay the Indians money for renting out the land they are occupying. Also where do you think slavey originated? It wasn't in the west......just saying. Maybe if black people in Aftrica hadn't captured and enslaved and then sold other black people into slavery then things might be different - but they did, so really you can blame the Africans for that. For thousands of years black people have been enslaving each other and they are still doing it to this very day - get yourself off to Africa or Asia and sort out modern day slavery. Or are you expecting us Brits to do it for you (again).
 
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I love how Americans go on about slavery, They killed the original inhabitants of the Americas, stole their land and pushed the survivors into reservations - but you never hear a peep about that and they won't give the land back either or pay the Indians money for renting out the land they are occupying. Also where do you think slavey originated? It wasn't in the west......just saying. Maybe if black people in Aftrica hadn't captured and enslaved and then sold other black people into slavery then things might be different - but they did, so really you can balme the Africans for that. For thousands of years black people have been enslaving each other and they are still doing it to this very day - get yourself off to Africa or Asia and sort out modern day slavery. Or are you expecting us Brits to do it for you (again).
You've made a lot of really useless posts before, but I have to say making this one and describing imperialism verbatim as if it wasn't something I literally just spoke about is like, bafflingly stupid. Please don't reply again until your IQ breaks double digits.
 

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You've made a lot of really useless posts before, but I have to say making this one and describing imperialism verbatim as if it wasn't something I literally just spoke about is like, bafflingly stupid. Please don't reply again until your IQ breaks double digits.
Your post doesn't say how you are going to sort your life out - or anything out! What are you going to do all your life apart from whine about stuff and expect others to sort things out for you?
 

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Your post doesn't say how you are going to sort your life out - or anything out! What are you going to do all your life apart from whine about stuff and expect others to sort things out for you?
The thread was not about how I intend to change the USA. The thread was on if I think the US is worse or better than it used to be. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
 

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The thread was not about how I intend to change the USA. The thread was on if I think the US is worse or better than it used to be. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
So basically you just like to whine.... and there's no plan to sort anything out as whining is far easier. Yep I get it, you are one of those people that want others to work and you can live off the backs of their hard work, and yet you go on about slavery.....think about that for a minute.
 

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Gaming is worse on USA today, that's why I voted "worse" because that is my personal thing, for the country as a whole you almost never can say that for either side. Too many people living there, is better for many, worst for many, it is not like a huge catastrophe happened just because politics is messy. Covid happened, sure, but besides that there was nothing like a national disaster there in USA.

There are mathematical indicators for that. The HDI increased from 0,886 (2000) to 0,926 (2019) so it is better on the metrics covered by this index. If competition is your thing, than it is worse now, as the USA was the 5th best nation in the year 2000 and now (2019 data) it is the 17th.
 
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