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What is it dog-whistling and who are the dogs?
Dog whistling is using language that will land on the people you're aiming for (the 'dogs') without registering with anybody else. Think about how you can blow an ultrasonic whistle and dogs will hear and respond to it but people won't. Same sort of concept.
I could make a post loaded with language that, say, 4chan regulars would understand but your average Facebook user wouldn't. I could encourage all sorts of behaviour under the noses of people who don't get what I'm saying and that would effectively be dog whistling.
 
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We are already in WWIII, except it is an information war, not a kinetic war. There will be local skirmishes like Ukraine currently and Taiwan in the near future, but nothing like what we've seen in the past.
 

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Thank you for your clarification. It is quite useful for me.
Dog whistling is using language that will land on the people you're aiming for (the 'dogs') without registering with anybody else. Think about how you can blow an ultrasonic whistle and dogs will hear and respond to it but people won't. Same sort of concept.
I could make a post loaded with language that, say, 4chan regulars would understand but your average Facebook user wouldn't. I could encourage all sorts of behaviour under the noses of people who don't get what I'm saying and that would effectively be dog whistling.
Very interesting. I have come up with this concept in the context of art. What makes a piece camp, kitsch and what makes a piece of true art? It is the multilayered messanging of a piece, that can even signal one thing to one set of the audiance and the abosulte contrary to another set.

How is this achieved? When you look at this music video of Leonard Cohen for example, you'll see that he is extremely static in his performance. The movement of him is reduced to the bare minimum. Except for one part, where he covers on of his eyes.



This is a clear deviation from the rest of the performance, and therefore quite clearly deliberate.

My research has shown that this is quite a common practice in the entertainment industry, and I come across it on a daily basis:

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Or a different example is Vulcan/Hephaestus/Fire(light) (amoung other motives that cluster in the god Vulcan like the architect but also motives of Saturn)
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You see the glowing chest?

Now, is there a connection? And if yes, is it made consciously? I'd say no if you can't clearly demonstrate it.

So called 'Dog-Whistling' can be pointed out everywhere. The important question is: Who is signaling what to whom? And even more improtantly:

Is there proof?
 
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There might be a WWIII in the future and maybe a Second America Civil War, or just a complete collapse of America. Future is unpredictable so it's best to take it a day at a time sometimes.
 

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Mmyeah, which sort of sounds clever enough, but then you can speak French without being French. I can see what somebody is trying to hide without being the target audience. I like the turn of phrase though.
Every piece of art is a dog-whistle. The question is can you demonstrate your case and does it reveal anything real/interesting.
 

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No it's not. Andy Warhol or Van Gogh, for example, aren't dog-whistling.
They are. Andy Warhol is a much deeper actor than his tomato soup prints might leave you to believe.
The term doesn't apply to any hidden meaning, it's meant in a specifically political context.
I would challange this. The term does reference a natural phenomenon, and there for should not be coopted only by political thinkers. Dog whistling you have in religion, art, culture. It is all around us. To criticize only political actors like this is dishonest.
 

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I would challange this. The term does reference a natural phenomenon, and there for should not be coopted only by political thinkers. Dog whistling you have in religion, art, culture. It is all around us. To criticize only political actors like this is dishonest.
I don't know what you're trying to say, the term specifically applies to political contexts. Don't forget that you didn't even know what it meant until I explained it to you. I get that you're trying to expand the meaning in a philosophical sense but it doesn't reference a natural phenomenon, it just means using political rhetoric in a way that's deliberately obfuscated from the layperson. I'm not saying hidden meaning doesn't exist in other contexts but the term dog-whistling, if we're keeping it semantic, is purely for political rhetoric.
 
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They are. Andy Warhol is a much deeper actor than his tomato soup prints might leave you to believe.

I would challange this. The term does reference a natural phenomenon, and there for should not be coopted only by political thinkers. Dog whistling you have in religion, art, culture. It is all around us. To criticize only political actors like this is dishonest.
You're talking nonsense. Dog-whistling has a very specific meaning, the hidden meanings of art predate that by several centuries.
 

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I don't know what you're trying to say, the term specifically applies to political contexts.
Specifically it applies to blowing a whistle to get a reaction from a dog. This phenomenon can and should be applied to religion as well.
Don't forget that you didn't even know what it meant until I explained it to you.
I did, I asked:
What is it dog-whistling and who are the dogs?
I get that you're trying to expand the meaning in a philosophical sense but it doesn't reference a natural phenomenon,
The whistle and the dog are natural phenomenons.
it just means using political rhetoric in a way that's deliberately obfuscated from the layperson.
What about rhetoric that hides itself behind religion but in reality is political, wouldn't that be even more of a dog whistle?
I'm not saying hidden meaning doesn't exist in other contexts but the term dog-whistling, if we're keeping it semantic, is purely for political rhetoric.
This might be the current agreement, but I want to challange it, because it blinds people even more, by not seeing the bigger picture. This might very well be the result of deliberate discoursive manoveuring as well.
You're talking nonsense. Dog-whistling has a very specific meaning, the hidden meanings of art predate that by several centuries.
So does political 'dog-whistling'. It's way older than the term.
 

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