Roe V Wade has been repealed

Nezha · Jun 27, 2022

While I think abortion should be a right, it was a poor choice to tie it to the constitution as they have nothing to do with that. It's the same as saying that we need to preserve the ecosystem lest alien bears come and gun us down. Yes. We should preserve the ecosystem, but the reason why is rather schizophrenic, so you're unlikely to gain favor among those who may disagree for different reasons.

Also I envy anyone who truly believed there are rights that are inviolable. I'm not native to the US, so maybe I have a different perspective, but it takes some naivete and lofty view of the government if you ever thought rights granted by it could never be taken away.

Foxi4 · Jun 27, 2022

wartutor said:
I keep seeing and hearing people say this phrase on tv and the internet and the one thing i have to ask is WTf do you think u need to add incest as one of the reason....is it really running that rampent in your area that it is a huge problem....where im from that shits kind of frowned apon.

If USA Today is anything to go by, abortions due to incest account for around 0.5% of the total, so 1 in 200. It’s rare.

Xzi · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
I hope you realise that your brilliant piece of advice would result in more women getting raped, not less, and more rapists getting away with it.

Communicating with police exclusively through a lawyer is great advice under any circumstances. Short of that, my only advice is to know the type of police that you have in your area, and act accordingly. The legal precedent that police are under no obligation to protect or serve is well documented. In some communities they do help to mitigate threats, while in others they are the threat.

Foxi4 · Jun 27, 2022

Xzi said:
Communicating with police exclusively through a lawyer is great advice under any circumstances. Short of that, my only advice is to know the type of police that you have in your area, and act accordingly. The legal precedent that police are under no obligation to protect or serve is well documented. In some communities they do help to mitigate threats, while in others they are the threat.

The impression I got from what you said so far was that women should arm themselves for their own protection (good) and shouldn’t contact the police if they do get raped (stupid), opting instead for getting a doctor’s exam and calling it a day because “the police won’t do anything”, or worse. If that’s not what you’re suggesting then that’s fine, I don’t really care if they use a representative or not, it doesn’t make a difference as long as the crime is reported to the authorities. You’re correct in saying that they’re not legally obligated to protect any specific individual (this was discussed extensively in a separate thread, it’s the result of a landmark court case), but they’re still expected to do their job, as in investigate. The idea that the police is “the threat” is hyperbolic to the extreme and I really don’t feel like engaging you about it, you have a hate boner for cops and I get it, we don’t need to delve into it.

Nezha · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
The impression I got from what you said so far was that women should arm themselves for their own protection (good) and shouldn’t contact the police if they do get raped (stupid), opting instead for getting a doctor’s exam and calling it a day because “the police won’t do anything”, or worse. If that’s not what you’re suggesting then that’s fine, I don’t really care if they use a representative or not, it doesn’t make a difference as long as the crime is reported to the authorities. You’re correct in saying that they’re not legally obligated to protect any specific individual (this was discussed extensively in a separate thread, it’s the result of a landmark court case), but they’re still expected to do their job, as in investigate. The idea that the police is “the threat” is hyperbolic to the extreme and I really don’t feel like engaging you about it, you have a hate boner for cops and I get it, we don’t need to delve into it.

I got the same impression, though I hesitated to actually comment on it. I'll piggyback on this to say that there's often outrage, rightfully so, over a lot of unreported cases that let criminals do ever more as they please in some areas and they need to be addressed. However, using scare tactics to reduce confidence in the police isn't exactly what I'd call an efficient way of bringing those people to justice or making a record of said unreported cases.

Xzi · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
If that’s not what you’re suggesting then that’s fine

From the beginning my argument was based on the quality of police in a given state/city/county. Minneapolis police, for example, have not stopped killing (black) people or even slowed down much since the Chauvin verdict. Therefore I very much doubt that community trusts them to pursue justice for rape, let alone any lesser crime. That's not going to change if I scream "BACK THE BLUE" at them, and I of course wouldn't be caught dead saying something so braindead anyway.

Regardless, this whole conversation spun from a one-off comment I made about some states seeking extreme jail sentences (ninety years or even life) for providing abortion services, while only requiring a three year mandatory minimum for convicted rapists. I'd hope you'd agree that the disparity there is beyond ridiculous.

Nezha · Jun 27, 2022

Xzi said:
From the beginning my argument was based on the quality of police in a given state/city/county. Minneapolis police, for example, have not stopped killing (black) people or even slowed down much since the Chauvin verdict. Therefore I very much doubt that community trusts them to pursue justice for rape, let alone any lesser crime. That's not going to change if I scream "BACK THE BLUE" at them, and I of course wouldn't be caught dead saying something so braindead anyway.

Regardless, this whole conversation spun from a one-off comment I made about some states seeking extreme jail sentences (ninety years or even life) for providing abortion services, while only requiring a three year mandatory minimum for convicted rapists. I'd hope you'd agree that the disparity there is beyond ridiculous.

I believe that's the mandatory minimum set by federal law. This varies greatly otherwise by state and you need a damn good lawyer to get the minimum penalty in an aggravated sexual assault charge. Though true. This is a tangent.

EDIT: It's 6AM and I haven't slept. I just realized that's what you already said. Though I think it's also unfair to compare the minimum extreme to the maximum that hasn't even come to pass from what we know. Especially since you're comparing the Federal Minimum which is devoid of state action while comparing it to Potential State Action. This is fairly disingenuous.

Anyways, I'll refrain from posting despite my interest in the topic. I'm clearly too fried.

Foxi4 · Jun 27, 2022

Xzi said:
From the beginning my argument was based on the quality of police in a given state/city/county. Minneapolis police, for example, have not stopped killing (black) people or even slowed down much since the Chauvin verdict. Therefore I very much doubt that community trusts them to pursue justice for rape, let alone any lesser crime. That's not going to change if I scream "BACK THE BLUE" at them, and I of course wouldn't be caught dead saying something so braindead anyway.

Regardless, this whole conversation spun from a one-off comment I made about some states seeking extreme jail sentences (ninety years or even life) for providing abortion services, while only requiring a three year mandatory minimum for convicted rapists. I'd hope you'd agree that the disparity there is beyond ridiculous.

Rape should be severely punished, yes. I’m not interested in what kinds of trust issues exist in which communities - it’s off-topic and a dead horse - you already know what I think on that matter. I was interested in your stance on reporting heinous crimes to the police at all. Now that you’ve clarified that they should be reported to the police, and if someone feels particularly threatened by cops, they can do so via a representative, we’re good. That is your stance, yes? I like when things are clear.

Xzi · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
That is your stance, yes? I like when things are clear.

More or less, yes. Police will ignore many of these reports, but it's still worth filing just to have on record if nothing else.

Foxi4 · Jun 27, 2022

Xzi said:
More or less, yes. Police will ignore many of these reports, but it's still worth filing just to have on record if nothing else.

Pessimistic, but fair.

Now let’s get back to the “shooting rapists” part, I liked that. What are we talkin’ about here?

Xzi · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
Pessimistic, but fair.

Now let’s get back to the “shooting rapists” part, I liked that. What are we talkin’ about here?

Unfortunately Thomas' and Kavanaugh's houses are heavily guarded. Bazinga.

mrdude · Jun 27, 2022

Xzi said:
From the beginning my argument was based on the quality of police in a given state/city/county. Minneapolis police, for example, have not stopped killing (black) people or even slowed down much since the Chauvin verdict.

Don't you mean to say - Stopped Killing Criminals that tried to kill them first? Or are you just race bating because you yourself are an anti white racist with a deep seated hatred for the police - especially the white ones?

Foxi4 · Jun 27, 2022

Xzi said:
Unfortunately Thomas' and Kavanaugh's houses are heavily guarded. Bazinga.

I hope Biden gets off the hook, I don’t think dementia patients go to the big house, they put them in some nicer accommodation. Boom, kill shot. :V

Dark_Ansem · Jun 27, 2022

mrdude said:
Don't you mean to say - Stopped Killing Criminals that tried to kill them first?

Breonna Taylor was truly trying to kill cops, sleeping in her own goddamn house.

Dark_Ansem · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
I don’t really care if you believe me or not, so you can keep the snark. I feel good about how things turned out, my only regret is that I couldn’t stop it from happening altogether, but that was sadly beyond my control.

I wasn't being snarky and I have no reason to not trust you, even taking into account your need to be in the center of the attention.

Foxi4 · Jun 27, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
I wasn't being snarky and I have no reason to not trust you, even taking into account your need to be in the center of the attention.

I don’t like to brag, but yes - I am a hero, thank you for noticing my brilliance.

mrdude · Jun 27, 2022

Dark_Ansem said:
Breonna Taylor was truly trying to kill cops, sleeping in her own goddamn house.

Shortly after midnight on March 13, Louisville police officers executing a search warrant used a battering ram to enter the apartment of Ms. Taylor, a 26-year-old emergency room technician.

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home. But a judge had also signed a warrant allowing the police to search Ms. Taylor’s residence because the police said they believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages. Ms. Taylor had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him, according to her family’s lawyer.

If you play with fire, you sometimes get burned. The moral of the story is don't hang around with criminals, don't be a criminal and if you are a non law abiding person - be prepared to face the consequences of your own actions. Also accidents sometime happen....

Dark_Ansem · Jun 27, 2022

mrdude said:
Also accidents sometime happen...

And those who cause accidents should pay for it. Not get scott-free. Also,

mrdude said:
The moral of the story is don't hang around with criminals, don't be a criminal and if you are a non law abiding person - be prepared to face the consequences of your own actions.

She didn't break any laws. And somehow you think it's fine for her to be a collateral?

Dark_Phoras · Jun 27, 2022

Foxi4 said:
I hope Biden gets off the hook, I don’t think dementia patients go to the big house, they put them in some nicer accommodation. Boom, kill shot. :V

This is the sort of comments we get from mods...

Maximumbeans · Jun 27, 2022

I feel for the people who will die and suffer because of choices being taken away from them. That's it really.

I don't think this is something anybody should celebrate regardless of how you feel about abortion itself.

Roe V Wade has been repealed

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