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Roe V Wade has been repealed

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And many women never do, for any number of reasons. That's beside the point though, I'd highly recommend they all arm up now. I've said it before and I'll say it again: force is the only language fascists understand, and they won't settle for abortion being banned in only half the country.
I encourage all sexual assault victims to go to the police immediately while evidence is easy to find. If I hear tall tales several decades later, those are extraordinary claims that I expect to be backed up by extraordinary evidence, especially when thereā€™s a political agenda involved. Saying that Kavanaugh is a rapist is no different than saying Biden is a rapist - he got accused too, with no evidence to back the claim up.

I disagree with your reasoning, but I absolutely support women getting armed to protect themselves. Everybody has a second amendment right to bear arms, they should take advantage of it before the authoritarians try to take it away.
 

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And here's a video where a Republican senator is advocating hunting other Republicans that aren't "really" Republican. Sounds like you can find scum on both sides of the political spectrum. Too bad it's currently the Republican party dehumanizing people in the name of control, backed by outdated draconian mentalities.

Maybe both are. I gave up on both parties some time ago, but Democrats are still much, much worse.
Just because you can't understand an extremely simple concept doesn't mean I am wrong
No, you're wrong because it's YOU who doesn't understand.
guns used for protection.....well where i live i don't have crazy people shooting up schools and i don't feel unsafe enough that i have to carry a gun on the streets where i live. Americans cant even follow their own laws lol guns for protections...not killing innocent kids
And if you saw someone shooting innocent civilians, you blow them away first or as soon as possible, like this brave woman.
 

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Maybe both are. I gave up on both parties some time ago, but Democrats are still much, much worse.

No, you're wrong because it's YOU who doesn't understand.

And if you saw someone shooting innocent civilians, you blow them away first or as soon as possible, like this brave woman.
yeah nah because funny enough our gun laws over here have stopped most mass shootings we have had what 3 since our last major one over 20 years ago we changed the gun laws and well its been pretty good since then, there doesnt seem to be not even a month we hear over here another shooting in america. the rest of the world see's you as whackos, and not the abortion ruling, well
 

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I don't usually get involved in this sort of thing on GBAtemp. I come here for gaming news and device hacking news/tutorials. I'd really actually prefer it if this conversation was taken elsewhere. I'd like politics to stay out of my hacking/gaming info/forum.

That being said, the job of SCOTUS is to interpret the US constitution and decide if laws that have been made are legal if under the constitution... The constitution being held as the ultimate law of the land.

Their job/duty is not to decide whether the constitution is moral, right or "in the best interest" of the people. If they are doing their job properly they assume (whether they agree or not) that the US constitution is the ultimate law in the USA. Through their interpretations of the constitution they are bound to enforce its declarations of rights.

Abortion is never mentioned in the US constitution. No matter who or what tells you other wise, it was NEVER a constitutional right. Row vs Wade was garbage law from the get go. It never should have come to SCOTUS and they should have just kicked it out. No mater what side you are on, even w/o a law degree... If you read the constitution and understand SCOTUS' job (and you're honest about your findings) RvW law should have never been a thing.

I do not want to make abortion illegal. I am not a "day of conception/christian" fundamentalist. I will be honest, I want abortion to be safe, legal and rare.

And again that being said, I decided to post because from what I have read in this thread there is SOOOOOO much ignorance about how the US government is supposed to work. What SCOTUS is supposed to do. ANNND Sooo on...
 

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I encourage all sexual assault victims to go to the police immediately while evidence is easy to find.
Why bother? The police are useless for anything other than showing up two hours after a crime has already been committed, then shooting your dog. They don't take thefts, rapes, or most crimes seriously, either. Easier to double-tap a would-be rapist and justify it to a court later. Especially in cases where that would-be rapist is a cop himself.
 
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yeah nah because funny enough our gun laws over here have stopped most mass shootings we have had what 3 since our last major one over 20 years ago we changed the gun laws and well its been pretty good since then, there doesnt seem to be not even a month we hear over here another shooting in america. the rest of the world see's you as whackos, and not the abortion ruling, well
If people had more guns and less of the stupid and ineffective gun laws criminals would think twice and have more fear from doing what they do. I don't know what country your in or how it works, and quite frankly, I really do not give two shits because I live in America and I solve problems in my own country. The rest of the world can go screw themselves with whatever backwards laws they put in for all I care.
 

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Why bother? The police are useless for anything other than showing up two hours after a crime has already been committed, then shooting your dog. They don't take thefts, rapes, or most crimes seriously, either. Easier to double-tap a would-be rapist and justify it to a court later. Especially in cases where that would-be rapist is a cop himself.
Always shoot rapists, I can get behind that (better than in front, I donā€™t want to get shot).

Having testified as a witness in a rape case I can attest to the relative uselessness of the legal system (they didnā€™t even provide me basic protection, the guy who did it was right there, I didnā€™t want him to see my face or know my name, but oh well), it took forever and by the time I was on the stand I simply forgot many of the details, but in the end he got sent straight to prison, so big W all things considered.

In any case, getting a doctorā€™s exam early allows law enforcement to collect valuable evidence like DNA samples, not to mention that a rape can cause internal damage to the body that should get looked at immediately. They should always go to the police as quickly as possible and do things right.
 
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Always shoot rapists, I can get behind that (better than in front, I donā€™t want to get shot).

Having testified as a witness in a rape case I can attest to the relative uselessness of the legal system (they didnā€™t even provide me basic protection, the guy who did it was right there, I didnā€™t want him to see my face or know my name, but oh well), it took forever and by the time I was on the stand I simply forgot many of the details, but in the end he got sent straight to jail, so big W all things considered.

In any case, getting a doctorā€™s exam early allows law enforcement to collect valuable evidence like DNA samples, not to mention that a rape can cause internal damage to a womanā€™s body that should get looked at immediately. They should always go to the police as quickly as possible and do things right.
A lot depends on the quality of the police in your specific area, though, and in the states where abortion is now/will now be banned, I doubt they've been historically good about handling these issues. Let alone how much worse they'll get going forward with the new laws to embolden them.
 

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A lot depends on the quality of the police in your specific area, though, and in the states where abortion is now/will now be banned, I doubt they've been historically good about handling these issues. Let alone how much worse they'll get going forward with the new laws to embolden them.
I still lean towards some evidence over no evidence at all. Even if law enforcement is incompetent at any given time, the statute of limitations on rape is pretty long and cases can be reopened. A semen or blood sample can *eventually* lead to justice being served, testimony alone ainā€™t worth shit. An allegation is just an allegation - words are cheap. We have law, we should follow it. If you just wave your hand because ā€œthe police wonā€™t do anything about itā€, you have nobody to blame but yourself. I couldā€™ve ignored that chick screaming behind the dumpsters too and not call the police, but I chose to call them, put my heavy boots on (in case I needed to kick the shit out of someone - I wasnā€™t armed) and went downstairs anyway. The cops showed up surprisingly quickly - by the time I was out of the building they were already there with guns at the ready, I just needed to show them the way. They caught the guy balls deep, so there really was no ā€œarguing his wayā€ out of that.
 
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I can't believe that in at least one state, the punishment for an abortion is worse than the punishment for a rapist.

I am a Christian, but I also think outside the "box" plenty of times. My religion, while generally opposed to abortion, does feel that there are exceptions. Rape, incest, and danger to the mother are all instances of that. One thing they also understand is that they don't side with any groups about the scenario. Their belief on the matter is for themselves, not for those outside of it. I just hate that there are religious groups that are really pushing for the ban when it really doesn't concern them at all.

My own thoughts on abortion go beyond what my religion sets. A couple could be having a baby, all prepared for it, but what if something happens during the pregnancy that prevents them from being able to support the child? Or people who do all they can to not get pregnant (condoms, morning after pill, etc) but the slim odds beat all that? And what about these stupid kids that go about having unprotected sex? Someone really want to tell these irresponsible kids that they have to carry this baby to terms? What about after? Do they really think a child born to such "parents" is going to be ok? Is this supposed to be some life lesson?

Such people are so pro-life for the unborn child, but the moment they are born, they either turn their backs on them, or condemn the mothers for requesting support. Bad enough that America's healthcare system is broken, where even giving birth is so outrageously expensive compared to other countries where they not only allow abortion, but their healthcare systems are far better too.
 

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I still lean towards some evidence over no evidence at all. Even if law enforcement is incompetent at any given time, the statute of limitations on rape is pretty long and cases can be reopened. A semen or blood sample can *eventually* lead to justice being served, testimony alone ainā€™t worth shit. An allegation is just an allegation - words are cheap. We have law, we should follow it. If you just wave your hand because ā€œthe police wonā€™t do anything about itā€, you have nobody to blame but yourself. I couldā€™ve ignored that chick screaming behind the dumpsters too and not call the police, but I chose to call them, put my heavy boots on (in case I needed to kick the shit out of someone - I wasnā€™t armed) and went downstairs anyway. The cops showed up surprisingly quickly - by the time I was out of the building they were already there with guns at the ready, I just needed to show them the way. They caught the guy balls deep, so there really was no ā€œarguing his wayā€ out of that.
I don't doubt your story, but again it's anecdotal to the county you live in. I'd recommend getting a medical exam on record anywhere in the country, sure, but you don't necessarily need to get the police involved for that. Just depends on how wary your community is of police, because where they are, there's good reason for it. Anecdotally, there have even been cases where rape victims were raped again by police while in custody. I'd say they should only communicate with cops through a lawyer instead, but that advice is not helpful to people who live paycheck to paycheck.
 

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I don't doubt your story, but again it's anecdotal to the county you live in. I'd recommend getting a medical exam on record anywhere in the country, sure, but you don't necessarily need to get the police involved for that. Just depends on how wary your community is of police, because where they are, there's good reason for it. Anecdotally, there have even been cases where rape victims were raped again by police while in custody. I'd say they should only communicate with cops through a lawyer instead, but that advice is not helpful to people who live paycheck to paycheck.
Okay, now *thatā€™s* an anecdote. When did that happen in custody, in the 1920ā€™s, in Asshole County? Whatā€™s the likelyhood of that happening to any random woman today? One in a million? Letā€™s be real here - your odds of getting justice are better when you go to the police. In fact, thatā€™s pretty much your only option after the fact. I donā€™t understand why youā€™d disincentivise that, even if you ā€œhate copsā€. Iā€™m not a big fan of the state either, I donā€™t think the police is competent, but at the very least you have a paper trail and a potential investigation versusā€¦ what? Crying in the shower? Stop being so cynical, this is not useful advice.
 

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Okay, now *thatā€™s* an anecdote. When did that happen in custody, in the 1920ā€™s, in Asshole County?
Last one I can find is from 2010, I guess a more recent one I was seeing was about police in India. There are plenty of very recent stories about American police raping women in custody in general, though, not solely rape victims.

I donā€™t understand why youā€™d disincentivise that, even if you ā€œhate copsā€. Iā€™m not a big fan of the state either, I donā€™t think the police is competent, but at the very least you have a paper trail and a potential investigation versusā€¦ what? Crying in the shower? Stop being so cynical, this is not useful advice.
"Potential" investigation is correct, in many cases the cops will do nothing and victims will be left with no recourse other than crying in the shower anyway. My recommendation was to shoot would-be rapists beforehand, but that's not always going to be a realistic option either. There is no perfect solution, but I propose we start by treating rape as a more serious crime than aborting a rapist's baby.
 

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Stop being so cynical, this is not useful advice
Oh boy the irony of this statement from you.
The cops showed up surprisingly quickly - by the time I was out of the building they were already there with guns at the ready, I just needed to show them the way. They caught the guy balls deep, so there really was no ā€œarguing his wayā€ out of that.
Catching certain crimes "in the act" is largely impossible, This episode of yours is rarer than a lucky break.
 

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Last one I can find is from 2010, I guess a more recent one I was seeing was about police in India. There are plenty of very recent stories about American police raping women in custody in general, though, not solely rape victims. "Potential" investigation is correct, in many cases the cops will do nothing and victims will be left with no recourse other than crying in the shower anyway. My recommendation was to shoot would-be rapists beforehand, but that's not always going to be a realistic option either. There is no perfect solution, but I propose we start by treating rape as a more serious crime than aborting a rapist's baby.
The notion that women shouldnā€™t report getting raped because ā€œthey might get raped by the policeā€ is absolutely ridiculous - you canā€™t seriously think that. What else shouldnā€™t women do? Call in a plumber during a leak because they might get raped? I had a look into this, and you know what? Between 2005 and 2013 there were 405 raped committed by police officers - not in custody, not on duty, just in general. This is by no means a comprehensive number since data on occupation of rapists is scarce, but it is ā€œa numberā€, at least. By comparison, there were 139,815 rapes committed in the U.Sā€¦. in 2019 alone. Drop in the bucket, buddy - people who are victims of crimes should report them to the cops, period. I totally get that you expect police officers to meet a higher moral standard than the rest of us, but there are black sheep in every profession.
Oh boy the irony of this statement from you. Catching certain crimes "in the act" is largely impossible, This episode of yours is rarer than a lucky break.
Itā€™s what happened, I donā€™t know what to tell you. Perhaps they were on patrol anyway.
 
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Between 2005 and 2013 there were 405 raped committed by police officers - not in custody, not on duty, just in general.
I wouldn't say that's an impressively low number, even if it were true. Logically a high percentage of rapes by pigs would go unreported because you can't expect a woman to report it to their fucking gang pals.

By comparison, there were 139,815 rapes committed in the U.Sā€¦. in 2019 alone. Drop in the bucket, buddy - people who are victims of crimes should report them to the cops, period. I totally get that you expect police officers to meet a higher moral standard than the rest of us, but there are black sheep in every profession.
And those are just the ones we know about. Many aren't reported, and that's sure as shit not because of anything I've said or done, it's due to police misconduct; particularly when it comes to dealing with poor and/or non-white victims. They know the best they can hope for is nothing at all.
 

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I wouldn't say that's an impressively low number, even if it were true. Logically a high percentage of rapes by pigs would go unreported because you can't expect a woman to report it to their fucking gang pals.

And those are just the ones we know about. Many aren't reported, and that's sure as shit not because of anything I've said or done, it's due to police misconduct; particularly when it comes to dealing with poor and/or non-white victims. They know the best they can hope for is nothing at all.
I hope you realise that your brilliant piece of advice would result in more women getting raped, not less, and more rapists getting away with it. Itā€™s foolish and I expected better from you since your posts are otherwise intelligent and worth discussing. This isnā€™t - I canā€™t believe youā€™re saying it in earnest. Newsflash - anyone can get raped at any time by anybody else, regardless of sex and profession. That doesnā€™t mean that we should live in constant fear and stop participating in civilised society.
That includes you witnessing it and the guy still doing it when the cops arrived.
I donā€™t really care if you believe me or not, so you can keep the snark. I feel good about how things turned out, my only regret is that I couldnā€™t stop it from happening altogether, but that was sadly beyond my control.
 

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I am a Christian, but I also think outside the "box" plenty of times. My religion, while generally opposed to abortion, does feel that there are exceptions. Rape, incest, and danger to the mother are all instances of that.
I keep seeing and hearing people say this phrase on tv and the internet and the one thing i have to ask is WTf do you think u need to add incest as one of the reason....is it really running that rampent in your area that it is a huge problem....where im from that shits kind of frowned apon.
 
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