Roe V Wade has been repealed

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

I encourage anyone who has foolishly believed the "states' rights" nonsense to read up on the history of the arguments against the Civil Rights Act, and what specifically Goldwater had to say. You'll find the verbatim same rhetoric being used against something as innocuous as equal liberties for African Americans.

If you are supportive of the repealing of this ruling, you are uninformed.

SyphenFreht · Jun 26, 2022

Valwinz said:
A new CBS poll drop and it seems The majority of people don't give a crap about abortion and it is in 6th place. there are more important issues like inflation and the economy

1. Inflation - 82%
2. Economy - 80%
3. Crime - 58%
4. Gun policy - 57%
5. Immigration - 45%
6. Abortion - 42%
7. Russia/Ukraine - 38%
8. Climate Change - 38%
9. Covid - 37%
10. Investigating Jan 6, 2021 - 33%

"We have more important things to worry about than bodily autonomy"

There are those of us mature and intelligent enough to worry about more than one thing at a time.

Cute that you posted this statistic. Seems like it is important in showing that the only reason this got repealed is because Republicans, as a higher class in the political system, want to control the lower class. After all, if it's important to note that a majority of Americans don't care about abortion, then it also seems important to note that they didn't go out and vote against it. And if the government is making these choices against the voice of the greater public, well then that sounds kinda dictatorship-esque, don't you think?

seany1990 · Jun 26, 2022

BitMasterPlus said:
No, it's not. Just because you don't get your way all the time doesn't mean the system suddenly doesn't work for you.

Just because you can't understand an extremely simple concept doesn't mean I am wrong

Deleted member 571007 · Jun 26, 2022

BitMasterPlus said:
You can advocate for equal rights for everyone without being a feminist. From my perspective, feminism isn't about making women equal to men in terms of rights, but to make women superior to men by constantly putting them down and making men feel worthless, like what they say men do to them. I won't deny some women who identify as feminists genuinely want equal rights as men (which, nowadays, it pretty much is) without all the vitriol, but down at the core of it, it is evil and the core beliefs are to just put men down.

I'm not against equal rights for everyone, but feminism is a big no from me.

You're not completely wrong, there are a lot of feminists who believe men should be put down - but that ideal is incredibly hypocritical because if you're fighting for equal rights, then why try to demean the other side? So I do agree with you there; it's why I choose to associate with equal rights in general and not with feminism specifically. There's also a huge stigma around the association, and people seem to automatically associate anyone involved with the Rad-Fems, which like I said is over-generalizing. There's going to be bad parts of every community, that's a given since there is no place on earth where everyone does the right thing; there's always going to be the few that ruin everything for the rest. While I don't think feminism in itself is inherently evil, there are definitely some bad people associated with it that - like you said want to put people down rather than get equal rights.

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

Korozin said:
You're not completely wrong, there are a lot of feminists who believe men should be put down - but that ideal is incredibly hypocritical because if you're fighting for equal rights, then why try to demean the other side? So I do agree with you there; it's why I choose to associate with equal rights in general and not with feminism specifically. There's also a huge stigma around the association, and people seem to automatically associate anyone involved with the Rad-Fems, which like I said is over-generalizing. There's going to be bad parts of every community, that's a given since there is no place on earth where everyone does the right thing; there's always going to be the few that ruin everything for the rest. While I don't think feminism in itself is inherently evil, there are definitely some bad people associated with it that - like you said want to put people down rather than get equal rights.

Are the feminists who you are mad about in the room with us right now?

Foxi4 · Jun 26, 2022

emigre said:
I'm British and we don't have schools getting shot up so often we need the kids to do drills on it. We had one instance of that happening and had strict gun control introduced.

We also have readily available abortions because we aren't completely overrun by right wing extremism.

Well, yes and no - I wouldn’t necessarily state they’re “readily available”. Yes, abortions in the UK are legal, but there are some stipulations:

They must take place within the first 24 weeks (exceptions made when the health of the mother is threatened or there’s severe foetal abnormality present)
They require approval from two doctors
Those two separate doctors must agree that childbirth would carry a higher risk to physical and mental health than termination in the specific case they’re deliberating
Northern Ireland is the exception to the rules above. In NI you can only get an abortion if the woman’s life is at risk or there’s foetal abnormality present

This is more restrictive than in many U.S. states - in California abortion is elective and available up until foetal viability (24-28 weeks) with an option for late term abortion in some exceptional circumstances. You don’t need anyone’s approval.

The Catboy · Jun 26, 2022

Valwinz said:
A new CBS poll drop and it seems The majority of people don't give a crap about abortion and it is in 6th place. there are more important issues like inflation and the economy

1. Inflation - 82%
2. Economy - 80%
3. Crime - 58%
4. Gun policy - 57%
5. Immigration - 45%
6. Abortion - 42%
7. Russia/Ukraine - 38%
8. Climate Change - 38%
9. Covid - 37%
10. Investigating Jan 6, 2021 - 33%

Oh no, people are talking about current events! This isn't evidence of anything other than the nature of how popular events are talked about.

hippy dave · Jun 26, 2022

Foxi4 said:
Well, yes and no - I wouldn’t necessarily state they’re “readily available”. Yes, abortions in the UK are legal, but there are some stipulations:

Those two separate doctors must agree that childbirth would carry a higher risk to physical and mental health than termination in the specific case they’re deliberating

If this is an actual legal restriction in the UK, then I was completely unaware of it and have never heard it mentioned before by people with experience and childfree communities that regularly discuss the topic of access to abortion. From this I conclude that it's a technical formality that doesn't have any effect on people's actual access to abortion in typical/most cases. Either it's only actively applied (as opposed to ticked off as a formality) in specific situations where mental health is relevant, or it's just one of those old laws that's still on the books but isn't given more than lip service in the modern world.

Deleted member 571007 · Jun 26, 2022

LainaGabranth said:
Are the feminists who you are mad about in the room with us right now?

I wasn't saying I was mad about any - rather what I was saying is that there are definitely bad parts of the feminist community. But like I said in my post earlier the same goes for literally any group of people, it doesn't matter your race, religion, orientation; or anything. There will always be the extremes of any community and that's what most people come to associate with them since it's so in your face that that's all they remember. I'm not trying to actively say anything against or even be "mad" at anyone associated. Just saying a simple statement.

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

Korozin said:
I wasn't saying I was mad about any - rather what I was saying is that there are definitely bad parts of the feminist community. But like I said in my post earlier the same goes for literally any group of people, it doesn't matter your race, religion, orientation; or anything. There will always be the extremes of any community and that's what most people come to associate with them since it's so in your face that that's all they remember. I'm not trying to actively say anything against or even be "mad" at anyone associated. Just saying a simple statement.

I think it's a little ridiculous to shy away from calling yourself a feminist because people would be upset to hear it, knowing that any ideas you spout that aren't as monogamous and heterosexual as possible will get pushback either way.

Like, shit, I'm a feminist and I own that shit. If someone thinks all feminists = radfems, then they're either stupid, or not worth debating the idea with because they get all their info from psychotic youtubers. The number of radfems is astronomically low in comparison to actual feminists that I think even acknowledging them beyond "they exist by law of numbers" is overstating them.

SG854 · Jun 26, 2022

Valwinz said:
A new CBS poll drop and it seems The majority of people don't give a crap about abortion and it is in 6th place. there are more important issues like inflation and the economy

1. Inflation - 82%
2. Economy - 80%
3. Crime - 58%
4. Gun policy - 57%
5. Immigration - 45%
6. Abortion - 42%
7. Russia/Ukraine - 38%
8. Climate Change - 38%
9. Covid - 37%
10. Investigating Jan 6, 2021 - 33%

That's not how you Interpret that poll

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

SG854 said:
That's not how you Interpret that poll

Ssssh, don't interfere with their virtue signalling.

MariArch · Jun 26, 2022

Pretty sure people will be voting based off the imminent recession lol. Not because women can't kill there babies

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

MariArch said:
Pretty sure people will be voting based off the imminent recession lol. Not because women can't kill there babies

I feel bad for anyone stupid enough to vote for Republicans thinking they can fix a global economic disaster in just one country lmao

MariArch · Jun 26, 2022

LainaGabranth said:
I feel bad for anyone stupid enough to vote for Republicans thinking they can fix a global economic disaster in just one country lmao

Gas prices are the main driver of inflation
Energy companies won't invest in an energy sector the administration literally said they're trying to undermine on the campaign trail.
We have the capability to be energy independent if we were to back off from fucking with the energy sector.
The president insists on Spending money on stupid shit when the last thing we need be doing is spending
Yeah, I'm pretty sure kneecapping this god awful administration may be a good solution.

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

MariArch said:
Gas prices are the main driver of inflation
Energy companies won't invest in an energy sector the administration literally said they're trying to undermine on the campaign trail.
The president insists on Spending money on stupid shit when the last thing we need be doing is spending
Yeah, I'm pretty sure kneecapping this god awful administration may be a good solution.

Oh god lol where do you people come up with this nonsense??
When he stopped the doomed-to-fail Keystone project in 2021, gas prices hardly fluctuated. They're not going up because we aren't making enough, they're going up because gas companies felt like they can charge people extra just to save their bottom line in global turmoil. When gas prices were this high under Bush, I don't remember hearing any of you weirdo rightoids saying anything about it being his fault. Strange.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport-idUSKBN22C1V4
lmao btw

MariArch · Jun 26, 2022

LainaGabranth said:
Oh god lol where do you people come up with this nonsense??
When he stopped the doomed-to-fail Keystone project in 2021, gas prices hardly fluctuated. They're not going up because we aren't making enough, they're going up because gas companies felt like they can charge people extra just to save their bottom line in global turmoil. When gas prices were this high under Bush, I don't remember hearing any of you weirdo rightoids saying anything about it being his fault. Strange.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport-idUSKBN22C1V4
lmao btw

Sir, Gas is more that double last year. Even before February and the apparent "Putin Price Hike" gas prices were still about a dollar more that it was last year. Perhaps not immediate, but gradual. And lmao, yeah I bet the gas companies just decided that they should jump on the greed train right now. Question: why wouldn't they have em.. idk.. always overcharged for gas. Gas prices today are set by speculation on supply at a later date, not because the gas companies are out to get people lol.

Also idk what that reuters article has to do with anything lmao. If you can remember back to when that was happening, it's because Russia and SA was having some oil war or whatever, so it was crashing our domestic energy sector. Completely unrelated.

Foxi4 · Jun 26, 2022

hippy dave said:
If this is an actual legal restriction in the UK, then I was completely unaware of it and have never heard it mentioned before by people with experience and childfree communities that regularly discuss the topic of access to abortion. From this I conclude that it's a technical formality that doesn't have any effect on people's actual access to abortion in typical/most cases. Either it's only actively applied (as opposed to ticked off as a formality) in specific situations where mental health is relevant, or it's just one of those old laws that's still on the books but isn't given more than lip service in the modern world.

It’s the law. Whether doctors adhere to the law or not is a different matter. Kind of how informed consent is required in many states, which translates to giving the patient a pamphlet to read in the waiting room. In fact, technically speaking abortion in the UK is illegal under the Offendes Against the Person Act of 1861 and carries the penalty of up to 14 years imprisonment *except* in the specific circumstances described in the Abortion Act of 1967.

https://www.bpas.org/get-involved/campaigns/briefings/abortion-law/

It’s not an elective procedure you’re allowed upon request - in the law’s eyes it’s the doctors who decide. It’s significantly more restrictive than in many U.S. states, at least on paper. Of course doctors understand the value of discretion and usually they go along with what the patient wants, but the circumstances of the patient must warrant the procedure in some way.

LainaGabranth · Jun 26, 2022

MariArch said:
Sir, Gas is more that double last year. Even before February and the apparent "Putin Price Hike" gas prices were still about a dollar more that it was last year. Perhaps not immediate, but gradual. And lmao, yeah I bet the gas companies just decided that they should jump on the greed train right now. Question: why wouldn't they have em.. idk.. always overcharged for gas. Gas prices today are set by speculation on supply at a later date, not because the gas companies are out to get people lol.

Also idk what that reuters article has to do with anything lmao. If you can remember back to when that was happening, it's because Russia and SA was having some oil war or whatever, so it was crashing our domestic energy sector. Completely unrelated.

Because they're getting in trouble for it??? There's literally lawsuits ramping up now against them for doing so. Companies have always used global turmoil as an excuse to start overcharging for things. Uber and DoorDash for example famously got in trouble for raising prices for themselves and not paying their drivers. I genuinely do not think your basic youtuber-fed understanding of economics is doing the absolute clusterfuck that is global economics justice.

Got bad news for you on the "sir" part, lmfao.

MariArch · Jun 26, 2022

LainaGabranth said:
Because they're getting in trouble for it??? There's literally lawsuits ramping up now against them for doing so. Companies have always used global turmoil as an excuse to start overcharging for things. Uber and DoorDash for example famously got in trouble for raising prices for themselves and not paying their drivers. I genuinely do not think your basic youtuber-fed understanding of economics is doing the absolute clusterfuck that is global economics justice.

Got bad news for you on the "sir" part, lmfao.

https://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_industry_responds_to_biden_letter-16-jun-2022-169360-article/

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