Roe V Wade has been repealed

Xzi · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
Then there’s a fundamental disagreement regarding the function of firearms as a prerequisite for a free society. Liberty isn’t free, the right to bear arms is fundamental and cannot be infringed as it protects the populace from the whims of a tyrannical government as well as internal and external threats.

We're witnessing the second amendment absolutists cheer human rights being stripped away as we speak. It's at best a vestigial freedom if it's not properly utilized when tyrants decide to drop the mask.

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

Xzi said:
We're witnessing the second amendment absolutists cheer human rights being stripped away as we speak. It's at best a vestigial freedom if it's not properly utilized when tyrants decide to drop the mask.

Yup, hypocritical bullshit artists.

Foxi4 · Jun 25, 2022

Xzi said:
We're witnessing the second amendment absolutists cheer human rights being stripped away as we speak. It's at best a vestigial freedom if it's not properly utilized when tyrants decide to drop the mask.

A court error is being corrected. It wasn’t a right to begin with, as it’s not covered by the Constitution in any way. The court made a mistake in the past and it’s correcting that mistake now. If you believe that access to abortion should be a right, it needs to be codified accordingly, not fraudulently legislated from the bench.

hippy dave said:
Atta boy, keep those delusions piling up

You live up to your name, no offense.

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
You live up to your name, no offense.

Thanks, none taken

Xzi · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
A court error is being corrected.

Which is just another way of saying a human right was taken away from roughly half the country. It doesn't matter what bureaucratic language you want to dress it up in, the intent of the decision remains malicious.

Foxi4 · Jun 25, 2022

Xzi said:
Which is just another way of saying a human right was taken away from roughly half the country. It doesn't matter what bureaucratic language you want to dress it up in, the intent of the decision remains malicious.

The SCOTUS decides what is and is not enshrined in the Constitution. Abortion isn’t. The court is correctly fulfilling its function. You should petition Congress to do things right next time instead of weaponising the SCOTUS to pass otherwise inconvenient legislation.

NoobletCheese · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
Then we have a fundamental disagreement regarding the function of firearms as a prerequisite for a free society. Liberty isn’t free, the right to bear arms is fundamental and cannot be infringed as it protects the populace from the whims of a tyrannical government as well as internal and external threats.

This actually isn't my core reasoning for being against civilian disarmament. My reasoning is that the burden is on the gov't to prove I'm a threat to others, and they have failed to do so. Just like they failed to prove I'm a Covid threat to others, so they don't get to revoke my bodily autonomy wrt drugs, so why would they get to revoke it wrt guns. To any confused vax zealots reading this: the gov't's failure to prove I'm a Covid threat to others stems from the fact that others can protect themselves from me with three vaccines, PPE, social distancing, me getting tested, me being asymptomatic, me having natural vaccine from prior infection, me being not significantly more likely to transmit covid than a vaccinated person, me being part of a small cohort which they have a lower chance of encountering in the wild, and probably more things I can't think of right now.

Elodain · Jun 25, 2022

Xzi said:
Which is just another way of saying a human right was taken away from roughly half the country

That's something you have top take up with your state. Not the Supreme Court.

SC Didn't take anything away from anybody. If you live in a conservative state, yeah, you'll lose the ability to have abortions, that's to be expected. Same as how the expected outcome in Liberal states is for abortion to continue to be allowed. That's the states fault if they take the right from you, not the Supreme Court. You're blaming the Supreme Court for doing it's job and leaving things that aren't covered by the federal constitution/law to the individual states.

NoobletCheese · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
Yeah, the delusion that America is a "free society", and even more so than all the other countries that don't have horrendous gun problems.

USA ranks around 10th worldwide in terms of mass shootings on average per capita. To get a more favourable figure you'd have to use median instead of average, but I don't know if morality scales like that -- 1 big mass shooting every 10 years (eg. Norway) isn't necessarily any "better" than lots of small ones over 10 years.

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

Elodain said:
That's something you have top take up with your state. Not the Supreme Court.

SC Didn't take anything away from anybody. If you live in a conservative state, yeah, you'll lose the ability to have abortions, that's to be expected. That's the states fault, not the Supreme Court. You're blaming the Supreme Court for doing it's job and leaving things that aren't covered by the federal constitution/law to the individual states.

The structure of the American legal system would be entirely hilarious if it weren't constantly causing nightmarish problems for innocent people.

MariArch · Jun 25, 2022

Everything I like = human right

I find it funny when the left says that now that they don't like this decision, it's time to change the rules and expand the supreme court. As if any conservative states would listen to the supreme court ever again once they rig the system and impose top down. Control lol. Spoiler alert. If they ever did that. Every conservative state would become a sanctuary state for the second amendment, prolifers, etc. And it wouldn't surprise me if a national split occurs and or if there's a civil war.

Elodain · Jun 25, 2022

hippy dave said:
The structure of the American legal system would be entirely hilarious if it weren't constantly causing nightmarish problems for innocent people.

To be honest I don't know if there would even BE structure in that case.

hippy dave · Jun 25, 2022

Elodain said:
To be honest I don't know if there would even BE structure in that case.

In what case?

Foxi4 · Jun 25, 2022

NoobletCheese said:
This actually isn't my core reasoning for being against civilian disarmament. My reasoning is that the burden is on the gov't to prove I'm a threat to others, and they have failed to do so.

I mentioned that in a later post - the few shouldn’t be punished for the sins of the many. I didn’t do anything wrong, there’s no justification to penalise me.

Xzi · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
The SCOTUS decides what is and is not enshrined in the Constitution.

Obviously that's become secondary to overturning settled law for this activist conservative court, their interpretation of the constitution will simply become more and more creatively fascist without any checks or balances on their power.

Elodain said:
That's something you have top take up with your state. Not the Supreme Court.

It remains a federal issue, especially now that we'll have people who must cross state lines to access abortion services.

Elodain said:
SC Didn't take anything away from anybody. If you live in a conservative state, yeah, you'll lose the ability to have abortions, that's to be expected. Same as how the expected outcome in Liberal states is for abortion to continue to be allowed. That's the states fault if they take the right from you, not the Supreme Court. You're blaming the Supreme Court for doing it's job and leaving things that aren't covered by the federal constitution/law to the individual states.

Yeah it doesn't work that way, SCOTUS still gets the blame for giving authoritarians the opportunity to oppress women, because they're fully aware that opportunity will be seized upon. It's still fascism no matter how much they try to pass the buck.

MariArch · Jun 25, 2022

Xzi said:
Obviously that's become secondary to overturning settled law for this activist conservative court, their interpretation of the constitution will simply become more and more creatively fascist without any checks or balances on their power.

It remains a federal issue, especially now that we'll have people who must cross state lines to access abortion services.

Yeah it doesn't work that way, SCOTUS still gets the blame for giving authoritarians the opportunity to oppress women, because they're fully aware that opportunity will be seized upon. It's still fascism no matter how much they try to pass the buck.

Lol. The word fascism literally has no meaning anymore. grats guys.

Xzi · Jun 25, 2022

MariArch said:

"Everything I know about politics and civil/human rights I learned from memes, which is why I'll forever be a bootlicking NPC."

pustal · Jun 25, 2022

Foxi4 said:
It corrects the court’s error and provides impetus for proper legislation to be created regarding the issue. Congress has been napping this entire time, decades, relying on a SCOTUS decision that was always on shaky ground. It’s their fault, if anyone’s, that this situation is taking place.

Of course, but you think now that'll change?

NoobletCheese · Jun 25, 2022

Xzi said:
It's still fascism no matter how much they try to pass the buck.

It's only fascism if the moral status of the fetus is trivial.

If the fetus has a soul, then we would both agree it would be wrong to kill it. In that case it would be an empirical dispute about whether the fetus has a soul, which is not a moral dispute, and so we don't have to be at eachother's throats.

osaka35 · Jun 25, 2022

Incredibly disappointing. The majority opinion stated they're going after other rights next. specifically, trying to get rid of lgbtq+ individuals' proper human rights, and get rid of the right to contraceptives. Expect also the right to privacy to be attacked. The descent of the US into religious tyranny continues unabated.

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